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TheGoalKipper
April 13, 2018, 11:31am
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Quoted from ska face
The decision by Tracey Crouch beggars belief considering she refused a safe standing application in a football ground and just hours later went and opened a standing area in a rugby ground!

The evidence is incontrovertible - rail seating is safe, and a much safer option than what we currently have. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve gone over seats in goal celebrations. I missed Bogle’s second at Wembley as I was helping some poor kid, no older than 7, who’d been flattened and knocked over the row in front celebrating the first goal.

Crouch claims that the way to manage persistent standing is through crowd management. She’s clearly never watched either a handful of stewards waving their arms to get thousands of paying customers to sit down, or a group of overzealous bully-boy stewards drag customers out of the ground for having the temerity to stand up.

The Tories are playing politics with the safety of football fans, again, and we deserve better. Will it take a death before she takes her head out of the sand? She’s ignored the government’s own safety experts in SGSA and even the Football Safety Officers Association has this evening condemned her actions.

It’s not about forcing people to stand if they don’t want to - it’s about offering the choice for people who do.

I’d urge everyone to sign the petition - over 30k people have signed it today alone, but there have been only 37 signatures from Grimsby and 38 from Cleethorpes.

https://t.co/EhLb9cS8Os


Why dont they set up an online petition to the House of Commons as has been done for other campaigns which trigger off a discussion on the matter when it exceeds a specific Gov. Target - i can't remember what it is. Theres enough football fans who would sign it if they were shown the facts as they can relate to their own experience



                           
                        

               
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Why dont they set up an online petition to the House of Commons as has been done for other campaigns which trigger off a discussion on the matter when it exceeds a specific Gov. Target - i can't remember what it is. Theres enough football fans who would sign it if they were shown the facts as they can relate to their own experience

  

Like the link on SkaFace's post to a petition?

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April 13, 2018, 12:17pm

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I'm hate standing areas for the pure reason that I am not very tall! All-seater was the best thing that ever happened for me, guaranteed to see all four corner flags and the two goals, a rare luxury. It's annoying when people stand in all-seater areas, I am not sure whether this would help or make it worse.


How would having designated areas for people who want to persistently stand, and people who choose exclusively to sit, make the current situation worse?

It would make crowd management easier for a start.
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How would having designated areas for people who want to persistently stand, and people who choose exclusively to sit, make the current situation worse?

It would make crowd management easier for a start.


I don't think it would make it any easier. Stewards would turn a blind eye to people standing, it's simply not worth their while to do anything about it. At the moment there is a grudging acceptance of those who stand because there are no standing areas. I think the proposed change would increase the anger of those who legitimately feel they shouldn't have to stand if they have a seat and might lead to more arguments and unrest amongst groups of supporters. Of course, if the stewards rigorously enforced sitting and nobody argued with them it would work, but that's never going to happen.


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I favour a (safe) standing area for those who wish to stand just as long as those in the seating areas stay seated!

I am sick and tired of those in front of me standing every time Town advance on the opponents goal. I have lost count of how many (of the few) games I get to being ruined in this way.

The final at Wembley v Wrexham where we were near the back was totally spoiled by those in front constantly standing.

Thank goodness I manage to get a seat right at the front at Cambridge for example.

I know we have been pretty crap in recent years but do people have to jump up every time we get the flipping ball?

Similarly, there’s nothing worse than people who want to sit going into an area where people want to stand and complaining. There’s always some sharp object in the parts of the pontoon that try to stand and create an atmosphere moaning that he wants to sit. That’s completely understandable, there’s two other stands (and the other side of the pontoon) filled with like minded inviduals. I don’t go into the main stand and complain people want to sit and eat werthers originals. There’s room for both.
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April 13, 2018, 1:47pm
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That example they put in Blundell a few while ago I tried it seemed robust and the seat was locked in the closed position enabling you to stand in front of it.The only problem I could see was the horrendous cost the guy told me it does not come cheep. No way will the board sanction this for an aged Blundell Park and, to be honest I wouldn't either.
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April 13, 2018, 2:34pm

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That example they put in Blundell a few while ago I tried it seemed robust and the seat was locked in the closed position enabling you to stand in front of it.The only problem I could see was the horrendous cost the guy told me it does not come cheep. No way will the board sanction this for an aged Blundell Park and, to be honest I wouldn't either.


The current law prevents the club from introducing safe standing, even in a brand new purpose built stadium. So we could be in a position where a safe-standing area could be installed and the cost factored in as part of a new development, but we’d be prevented because we happened to be in the Championship when the decision was made, nearly 30 years ago.

The law is unfit, out of date, not based on evidence and has demonstrably been used as a form of social cleansing, removing certain sections of society (i.e. the young, those on low wages)  from football grounds.

All we are asking for is a decision based on evidence, allowing CHOICE for customers.
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I know it's football so usually there's not a lot of brain power used, by both the authorities and fans but, how many people when there at the cinema and have paid for a seat stand, nobody as it's just not done.
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Point taken Ska it has my backing.
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Similarly, there’s nothing worse than people who want to sit going into an area where people want to stand and complaining. There’s always some sharp object in the parts of the pontoon that try to stand and create an atmosphere moaning that he wants to sit. That’s completely understandable, there’s two other stands (and the other side of the pontoon) filled with like minded inviduals. I don’t go into the main stand and complain people want to sit and eat werthers originals. There’s room for both.


I don't have a problem with this at all but when the 'standers' decide to become 'sitters' and then, when we get the ball, want to become' standers' again it felicitations up the genuine 'sitters'. One or the other, stand all match or sit and everyone's happy in reality tho' even if there are standing areas (with seats locked in the up position) there will still be too many who start off sitting but keep leaping up every couple of minutes



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