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chiangmaimariner
October 9, 2014, 2:39pm
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Quoted from grimsby pete


I think he could make a better job of it than Hurst,

In fact I think,   I could do a better job of it than Hurst,

At least I would play more than one striker at home.


Particularly when the said "striker" has got 30 goals in 8 years...


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I feel the same and would like a change of management but the same people who picked the past failures will be picking the next manager. Perhaps we should start at the top and work down. I don't have any answers but just making a point and as for who will put money in to the club we couldn't have done much worse over the last decade with no money. GTFC is an addiction were I'm concerned and feel really down with the whole set up over the last 10 years. All we can do is hope but the only thing that will change anything is money. Falling gates will effect the directors pockets but unfortunately the team and club as well.


This pretty much sums it up. No-one knows what would have happened had Mr Fenty not bailed out the tax bill and created the loan deficit which is both crippling the Statutory Accounts and potentially turning off prospective investors. As I see it, the problems are now greater.

Mr Fenty has stated on here that he will not prop up BP forever and in order to survive going forward, the club needs to re-locate to a new stadium that is more cost-effective. I get that bit, but what I struggle with is how you justify that with non-league football of the quality that we are currently witnessing. What I believe the long-suffering fans deserve is the truth. Is there a business plan for the future of the club? How dependent is the club on this stadium? How come other clubs are able to deliver such a project (Boston for example) and we aren't? Even possibly answers to other questions that are pi$$ing fans off, such as What's really going on with Nathan Arnold

A statement that says we should get behind Paul Hurst, come what may, is just really not good enough. Again, he's asking the fans to prop up a club that's delivered 10 years of decline without any real sign of the tide coming back in.
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1) lee evens at last he is funnier than the comedian  hurst
2)don't honestly know
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19 posts in 3 years and now 70 in 3 days?
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Dont laugh or shoot me down but if i was fenty id get buckley in as a consultant to have a look at club from top to bottom an ask for any recommendations were we could change things from youth team set up to first team as he was the manager last time we were successful,also in appointing new manager ask him to contribute by sitting on deciding panel.
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1) Anyone of a number of non-League managers who seem to be doing better than us with a fraction of the gate.

2) Yes. I think anyone who came in wouldn't have Hurst's stubborn fixation with a non-scoring striker, would bring immediate benefits. In this situation it's got to be worth a punt.


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It'd be nice if people were a bit more respectful and realistic about Hurst.

First of all, the few posts and tweets etc I see saying "intercourse off hurst" and the like are a bit personal aren't they. He's an honest guy and is working hard, doing his best.

Secondly, the posts saying "anyone/I/Ronald McDonald would do a better job" aren't very realistic are they? Hurst hasn't done an awful job and he clearly isn't an awful manager. He has limitations and shortcomings in several areas but has strengths too. There weren't too many calling him this awful manager when we were winning at Glanford Park or putting on the performance of the last 6 or 7 years against Huddersfield. He's done a decent job without doing a great job.

I've got to the point where I would like him to be replaced, but I can still respect the guy and recognise he hasn't done a terrible job.


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Good post Tommy.
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Quoted from Tommy
It'd be nice if people were a bit more respectful and realistic about Hurst.

First of all, the few posts and tweets etc I see saying "intercourse off hurst" and the like are a bit personal aren't they. He's an honest guy and is working hard, doing his best.

Secondly, the posts saying "anyone/I/Ronald McDonald would do a better job" aren't very realistic are they? Hurst hasn't done an awful job and he clearly isn't an awful manager. He has limitations and shortcomings in several areas but has strengths too. There weren't too many calling him this awful manager when we were winning at Glanford Park or putting on the performance of the last 6 or 7 years against Huddersfield. He's done a decent job without doing a great job.

I've got to the point where I would like him to be replaced, but I can still respect the guy and recognise he hasn't done a terrible job.


Good post Tommy and I agree with you. It sickens me that people are being personal, dismissive, rude or abusive to Hurst. It does them and the supporters no credit.  Spitefully sneering 'bye bye Hurst', calling him a 'clown' and telling him to F*** off. Childish, pathetic and embarrassing. He's a professional, is honest and hard working and he's still our Manager. He deserves respect and support whilst he's still here.

All that is not to say that I think he should be retained any longer. There is abundant evidence of why we need change and he has had a fair long run at trying to get us promoted, but my view is that we simply must replace him with someone better asap.

I think BC, Chaingmaimariner and others have made some good points and named some viable and impressive potential candidates - realistic too (to answer the original question 2). I'm of the opinion that you have to make it available to judge calibre realistically. If we don't try, we won't find out. I'd add one or two other names to the pot as having credentials worth considering seriously: Mark Robins, Dave Penney, or how about Wilcox and Schofield now they're not wanted at Scunthorpe? Now there will be pro's and cons for all of them and I wouldn't argue, but I think they'd all be worth thinking about or approaching if the opportunity arises. That surely gives at least half a dozen or more credible potential candidates should we have a managerial vacancy.


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Quoted from Tommy
It'd be nice if people were a bit more respectful and realistic about Hurst.

First of all, the few posts and tweets etc I see saying "intercourse off hurst" and the like are a bit personal aren't they. He's an honest guy and is working hard, doing his best.

Secondly, the posts saying "anyone/I/Ronald McDonald would do a better job" aren't very realistic are they? Hurst hasn't done an awful job and he clearly isn't an awful manager. He has limitations and shortcomings in several areas but has strengths too. There weren't too many calling him this awful manager when we were winning at Glanford Park or putting on the performance of the last 6 or 7 years against Huddersfield. He's done a decent job without doing a great job.

I've got to the point where I would like him to be replaced, but I can still respect the guy and recognise he hasn't done a terrible job.


I think Hurst can pick a player but his tactical nous is limited as are his motivation skills and general outward demeanor.

Having said that is it really difficult to identify good players at clubs that are clearly (allegedly) lesser than ourselves in this division (thinking Part Timers etc) who should no doubt want to come to a (once) big club???
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