Mark Clattenburg (Martin Pringle)

He was the man in the middle that missed the crunching challenge by Challinor on Pringle at BP

One of the worst referee dicissions I've ever seen that ruined a players footballing career

Mark Clatterberk

To be fair, the lino has to be aqt fault for the winner? But Torres' red was a bit ridiculous. Evans clearly clips him.

The new howard webb.. What did whiskey nose say in the after match intrrview

Don't forget the following season, when he virtually sent us down by giving Pouton a straight red for a tackle which put him out for our last 5 games of the season for violent conduct.

The game eas televised, Niel Warnock was commentating, he was saying you can't give a red for that challenge, there would't be a player left if you book players for that, never mind a straight red. Warnock was very critical over it.

Quoted from costa del cleethorpes

The new howard webb.. What did whiskey nose say in the after match intrrview

That's my new 50 million pound signing

People r going on about the torres sending off but imo it was a yellow card offence, yeah he got caught (sllightly) but it wasnt enough to send him down like he did, he was clearly looking for that free kick with the pathetic dive, fair play to the ref for that decision...

Quoted from Neilo83

People r going on about the torres sending off but imo it was a yellow card offence, yeah he got caught (sllightly) but it wasnt enough to send him down like he did, he was clearly looking for that free kick with the pathetic dive, fair play to the ref for that decision...

torres was caught i think it was a harsh decision

Quoted from costa del cleethorpes

torres was caught i think it was a harsh decision

Yeah he was caught slightly but why did he throw himself on the floor? He was clearly looking for a free kick.

Quoted from Neilo83

People r going on about the torres sending off but imo it was a yellow card offence, yeah he got caught (sllightly) but it wasnt enough to send him down like he did, he was clearly looking for that free kick with the pathetic dive, fair play to the ref for that decision...

You've been watching 5th tier pub footie for too long fella .... it was a clear foul, and how Evans stayed on the pitch, like when Shelvey was sent off, is frankly unbelievable!

Clattenburg the new Howard Webb, hope (well pray) neither are in charge on Dec 9th.

Has now been reported by Chelsea for supposed inappropriate remarks during the game as well.

Appalling display of 'refereeing'. The bloke just loves the limelight.

Taken from wikipedia:

Clattenburg received criticism in 2002 following his failure to send off Stockport County defender Dave Challinor for a foul on Martin Pringle during a game against Grimsby Town. Pringle's leg was broken in two places and his career effectively ended by the foul; Clattenburg opted to give only a yellow card to Challinor.[6]

The very last line on him:

On 28 October 2012, Chelsea lodged a complaint with Premier League stating that Clattenburg had used inappropriate and racially abusive language towards two Chelsea players

Ok like I said in previous post, yes he did catch him slightly, but it was not enough to send him down IMO, u could tell by the way that he fell that he was looking for the free kick.

Quoted from Abdul19

Appalling display of 'refereeing'. The bloke just loves the limelight.

The Ivanovic dismissal was a certain red card. It was a foul and denied Young a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Torres seems debateable. Looking at the social media it seems people (and i don't mean Chelsea/Man U 'fans') are 50/50. The ref made his call rightly or wrongly but he made a decision in a split second. I wouldnt call it appalling because millions of people are split after several replays/slow motion/zoom lense debate.

The latest decision by Chelsea to report the referee for 'inappropriate language' /swearing is absolutly pathetic in my opinion. Week in week out players are seen swearing on the pitch. I wonder what Chelsea will do if next week every player is sent off for swearing on the pitch. The game would have to be abandoned before half time!

Another show of the petulance and the attitude rife at the Premiership level.

Having said all that. i know a referee assessor at that level and he says Clattenburg is a twit. He never accepts any critism even in the privacy of the dressing room. He never, ever sees himself as making an error

Quoted from Neilo83

Ok like I said in previous post, yes he did catch him slightly, but it was not enough to send him down IMO, u could tell by the way that he fell that he was looking for the free kick.

Correct, and Jonny Evans admitted as much. Therefore IT WAS a free kick so how can you send somebody off for winning a free kick?

So ur saying that every time someone catches/touches/brushes someone it's a free kick?? I've just watches it again on YouTube and I can't see how anyone can say that he wasn't looking for that by going down easily.

Totally agree with n3il here.  The contact made on Torres would not be enough to topple over a baby learning to walk.  Just because there's contact doesn't mean that it is foul, Torres clearly is looking for it and makes a pathetic dive trying to win a free kick.  I'm sorry but that sort of thing is ruining football and it needs to be stamped out, starting from the top.  I hate the way that a couple of weeks ago people were calling for stricter action on diving from referees following the Suarez dive against Stoke, and now when action is taken, everyone complains?  Nice one.  
And I know people are saying that Ivanovic was clear sending off, but that was minimal contact as well, with Young flicking his heels up looking for contact.  That one was a dive as well.  

If I was running around the office at pace and caught a chair leg I'm fairly sure I'd fall over.

Evans actually clips his foot too? If your running it would be quite easy to lose balance and fall over.

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Quoted from Abdul19

If I was running around the office at pace and caught a chair leg I'm fairly sure I'd fall over.

Yeah, and you'd topple to the ground straight away because you'd be caught off guard.  You wouldn't carry on running for a couple of seconds, realise that there may have been contact with the chair, and then topple over.

He clearly doesn't lose balance he just collapses to the floor when he realises he's been touched.

Quoted from JonoGrimsby777

Yeah, and you'd topple to the ground straight away because you'd be caught off guard.  You wouldn't carry on running for a couple of seconds, realise that there may have been contact with the chair, and then topple over.

He went straight down.

Quoted from Abdul19

He went straight down.

I agree, not that it really matters, F*** Chelsea, F*** Man U, hope they go bankrupt the tossers lol.

When exactly did football become a non contact sport, where the faintest little bit of contact between two players is considered a foul? I must have missed that.

Their legs touched each other, that's it and Torres tried to cheat. Good decision by the referee

Quoted from Abdul19

He went straight down.

Look at the video that someone posted above.  Does Torres lose balance because of the challenge?  No, his balance is absolutely fine because of the contact, his right leg (place of contact) is not thrown backwards or anything, he just collapses in the time it takes for him to register that there's been contact.  

I've only just seen this when I found the .gif image, he doesn't actually go flying from the challenge, more of a crumple to the floor.

I think Torres actually knew what he was doing here, and nearly got away with it.  It kinda looks fake how he went down.

EDIT: No contact with the ball, only the player so free kick ?

Quoted from JonoGrimsby777

Look at the video that someone posted above.  Does Torres lose balance because of the challenge?  No, his balance is absolutely fine because of the contact, his right leg (place of contact) is not thrown backwards or anything, he just collapses in the time it takes for him to register that there's been contact.  

I've seen it and it looks like a foul to me. Shows what a hard job it is I suppose, though Clattenburg's still a twat.  

Chelsea pulling the racist card now!

Quoted from Super Clive

Chelsea pulling the racist card now!

Maybe they'll give Clattenburg the captaincy.

If Torres was to cautioned for diving that's what Ashley young should have received.

Clattenberg made some shocking decisions. Yes you can allow for human error but in the end his poor decision making had ruined the game and gifted it to man united.

Torres could have walked for his high tackle but he didn't, that was wrong. Ashley young went down again very very easily as did Torres but ivanovic walked yet jonny Evans knew he'd fouled Torres, his reaction proved that yet Torres receives the caution for diving.

At the speed that some of these guys run the faintest of touches will send you off balance or send you to the ground. I don't believe Torres would've gone down if it wasn't for the touch as he clearly would've got on the end of the pass and skipped past an ageing rio Ferdinand and scored a typical trademark Torres goal.

Some poor decisions all round this weekend. One thing we've always known though is clattenberg has always been excrement. As the OP states, he started badly that Tuesday night at BP when he didn't even book dave challinor...

And my first post was about the Challinor challenge on Pringle.

Quoted from AdamHaddock

When exactly did football become a non contact sport, where the faintest little bit of contact between two players is considered a foul? I must have missed that.

About 20 years ago. In this instance he stuck his leg out, missed the ball and caught the player. Its a foul, whether or not he fell like a sack of spuds.

In a league where its not uncommon to win a free kick with no contact at all I don't see why everyone is getting so wound up over this instance.

The first yellow was bordering on being a sending off offence anyway - he kicked him.

Oh well clattenburg (and challinor) are both twits - so is Danny Hickinbottom

Looks like Gutenberg will be reffing our league soon.

We don't want the clott down here we've enough clowns in black at this level anyway.

its interesting, all of you abusing the referee but i bet if you were in his shoes and we all abused you, you wouldn't like it. as for the payment, you can never pay a man enough for all the abuse he or even she will get, just for being the one controlling the game. Why don't you all become ref's, then you will see where Clattenburg is coming from? No? Didn't think so. When you've done what Clattenburg and the rest have done in their careers, THEN you can criticise. Jesus, someone get the sanity pills out, i'm losing mine right about now.

I'm not sure if it was a foul by Evans, its 50/50 for me but didnt Torres get booked for 'simulation'? if you watch the few seconds after he goes down he clutches his knee as if he's been injured seconds later when he's given the yellow card he bounces onto his supposed injured knees and is arguing the toss.

Unusually seems to be a massive over-reaction to this. The first sending off was nailed on and the offside winner was extremely tight. The only dubious decision is the Torres sending off and he probably should have got a red for the first yellow. Felt for Chelsea as they were comfortably the better team before the sendings-off and at 11 vs 11 I think they'd have won the game but the idea that this was some unbelievably dire set of decisions isn't really supported by what happened.

I'd also be curious to know how Clattenburg ruined Pringle's career - if he'd sent Challinor off would it have welded his leg back together? He should clearly have been sent off but Challinor, not Clattenburg ended Pringle's career.

"clipping" a player as he is running as Evans clearly did does not automaticaly constitute a free kick as its been said on this thread several times, football is a contact sport.

Torres clearly went down to earn an unfair advantage claiming he was fouled when he was not by deciding not to put his right leg in front of his left as is the norm when running! yellow card, well done referee!!

Everyone moans about simulation yet the minute a ref takes action everyone moans about it. There did look to be contact on Torres but he was certainly guilty of simulation the way he reacted. If refs kept booking players for this then perhaps Torres, Young, Rooney etc would quit with the detestable theatrics.

This thread shows how opinions are divided even with slow motion replays. What chance has the referee got in real time? All refs make a split second decision based on what they think is right. That is one of the ingredients to making the game the attraction it is

The camera angle from behind Torres and similar to Clattenbergs view, makes it look more like a dive than the super slow mo side on view posted above when it does look like contact was made(whether sufficent contact is debated above)

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I'd also be curious to know how Clattenburg ruined Pringle's career - if he'd sent Challinor off would it have welded his leg back together? He should clearly have been sent off but Challinor, not Clattenburg ended Pringle's career.

I think the point people are trying to put accross is that Clattenburg didnt see that challenge as "violent conduct" thus giving the green light to cowardly players like Challinor to continue putting in tackles that will end footballers careers and hoping he might get a way with it.

I was there that night and I have seen many reckless challenges but I never seen a player tackle a fellow professional with the intent to break his leg

Quoted from Sussexmariner

I think the point people are trying to put accross is that Clattenburg didnt see that challenge as "violent conduct" thus giving the green light to cowardly players like Challinor to continue putting in tackles that will end footballers careers and hoping he might get a way with it.

I was there that night and I have seen many reckless challenges but I never seen a player tackle a fellow professional with the intent to break his leg

I was sat in the Lower Stones, right in front of it and it was a disgusting tackle. To suggest Clattenburg is in anyway to blame for that tackle is completely ludicrous, although it was obviously a terrible decision not to send him off.

Quoted from costa del cleethorpes

torres was caught i think it was a harsh decision

Torres should of even but Clattenburg in the place to make a decision. When you start throwing yourself to the deck dramatically your giving the ref something to blow for almost.
Which ever one of you that i follow on twitter was right, A yellow card should be a serious offense and a red card should be for the worst of the worst almost eradicating it from the game. Cards are changing/ruining too many games at all levels of football.

Quoted from BIGChris

This thread shows how opinions are divided even with slow motion replays. What chance has the referee got in real time? All refs make a split second decision based on what they think is right. That is one of the ingredients to making the game the attraction it is

The camera angle from behind Torres and similar to Clattenbergs view, makes it look more like a dive than the super slow mo side on view posted above when it does look like contact was made(whether sufficent contact is debated above)

I completely agree Big Chris. I have never been a fan of Clattenberg however the first time I saw a slow of Torres I was convinced he had dived. Another angle showed he was clipped. Football is becoming a victim of its clubs, if players are going to dive to cheat and decieve then they have to accept that refs will go looking for it and sometimes get it wrong. Torres was caught but then threw himself like a piece of theatre.
The hernandez offside is not even human error. A lino has to watch 2 things at once the ball leaving the foot of the player and on this occasion the movement of hernandez. The split second that he goes from one to another is enough to change the situation. It is at times not humanly possible for one person to correctly make a decision on an offside which shows a massive flaw in the system and why we will always see offside mistakes.
My criticism is the lino for the Suarez offside. he didn't flag until well after the ball was in the net. On this occasion he didn't have a clue and in my opinion you can't give it offside if you don't see it.

When you are in full flight as was Torres and get clipped you tend to carry on running be it in a head forward stumble as most honest players do and rightly win a free kick, Torres went down in a controlled fashion and as such IMO made a slight contact into a deliberate fowl, If Clatterberk had remembered at that split second that he had already carded him would he have given him another, whats wrong with a strict talking to by the ref nowerdays,
Its strange but if it had been a full on contact shoulder to shoulder it would have been accepted by all, Funny ole Game!

Quoted from aldi_01

I don't believe Torres would've gone down if it wasn't for the touch as he clearly would've got on the end of the pass and skipped past an ageing rio Ferdinand and scored a typical trademark Torres goal.

I was agreeing with you until this bit!

If that was still his trademark he would've stayed on his feet.

I see today is 'knock referees day' rather than the usual easy target, the Police.

Oh and I am sick of reading and hearing  (here and in the press / TV) that a player 'won' a free kick or 'won' a penalty - to me the use of the word 'won' that implies diving / cheating etc

But you can 'win' fouls against you.

For example the foul by Jagielka (?) on Suarez, 1st half at the weekend.

Jagielka came charging out of the back line and Suarez saw him coming as the ball was being played to his feet Suarez then moved his body so that he was recieving the ball with his back to goal, meaning that Jagielka had to go through the back of Suarez to win the ball.

Jagielka proceded to slide in, won the ball but through Suarez. Suarez 'won' this freekick through clever play, but I dont think anybody could say he wasnt fouled.



*I full expect people to dismiss this comment simply because it was Suarez and therefore he mustve dived

I dont get why people call referees, they have a hard job as it is and its a fact that every decision they make somebody will think its the wrong decision, remember they only see it once at full flight with possible players in there way, refs dont see replays, refs are put under so much pressure every single decision they make, correct decision or not somebody will notbe happy

Clattenburg allegedly said to Torres "get off you Spanish twit"... Sums up the attitude of the man, as stated by an earlier poster. Could be sour grapes from Chelsea, but a man who is refereeing top flight football and was proved of betting on matches is not really suitable to be in the job IMO.
By the way, I don't think it was a dive, and to say about reputations etc, Jonny Evans certainly has a worse reputation for mistimed tackles. But agreed it was a tough decision, albeit in the middle of a really poor refereeing display.

Quoted from Codswede

Clattenburg allegedly said to Torres "get off you Spanish twit"... Sums up the attitude of the man, as stated by an earlier poster. Could be sour grapes from Chelsea, but a man who is refereeing top flight football and was proved of betting on matches is not really suitable to be in the job IMO.
By the way, I don't think it was a dive, and to say about reputations etc, Jonny Evans certainly has a worse reputation for mistimed tackles. But agreed it was a tough decision, albeit in the middle of a really poor refereeing display.

As far as I knew it was for comments made to Juan Mata and Jon Obi Mikel. No mention of anything said against Torres.

I agree Clattenburger made some bad decisions , but I honestly doubt he would have referred
to players as " Spanish twits " , referees do have some common sense.. albeit not apparent most of the time..

methinks tis a litle bit of naughty Chelski niggle coming into play here... trying to make themselves look
better than what they really are in the racism stakes....

Quoted from gary_elton

I agree Clattenburger made some bad decisions , but I honestly doubt he would have referred
to players as " Spanish twits " , referees do have some common sense.. albeit not apparent most of the time..

methinks tis a litle bit of naughty Chelski niggle coming into play here... trying to make themselves look
better than what they really are in the racism stakes....

I can't see that myself. At best the players involved misheard, at worst it did happen. The 3 officials have microphones so the two linesmen will have heard any such talk. Very interesting to see the outcome when all statements are made. But I doubt there's any 'plot' from within Chelsea themselves.

I'm pretty sure as well players say a lot worse to referees than what Clattenburg is alleged to have said. Doesn't make it okay though... although it isn't racist.

I'm afraid I'm a tad sceptical when it comes to top clubs, their players and they way they try to " run " things
the way they want. All top clubs cry wolf and spit their dummies out when things go wrong.... and to me this is just a case
of sour grapes , if a referee HAS said something out of line I think there wud have been one almighty hoo haa out
on the pitch at the time it happened....

anyway , all this about diving by players , remember when Di Canio " pushed " a ref hard enough to send him
backwards several paces and then collapse dramatically in a heap ? ( Mike Reid was it ? ) Diving is not a new thing...  

Quoted from gary_elton

I'm afraid I'm a tad sceptical when it comes to top clubs, their players and they way they try to " run " things
the way they want. All top clubs cry wolf and spit their dummies out when things go wrong.... and to me this is just a case
of sour grapes , if a referee HAS said something out of line I think there wud have been one almighty hoo haa out
on the pitch at the time it happened....

anyway , all this about diving by players , remember when Di Canio " pushed " a ref hard enough to send him
backwards several paces and then collapse dramatically in a heap ? ( Mike Reid was it ? ) Diving is not a new thing...  

Paul Alcock if i recall correctly?

Quoted from BIGChris

Having said all that. i know a referee assessor at that level and he says Clattenburg is a twit. He never accepts any critism even in the privacy of the dressing room. He never, ever sees himself as making an error

Referees make decisions based on their opinion and interpretation at that moment in time therefore he would effectively be arguing against himself by saying he was wrong.
You can post match review things,look at 6 different angle slo mo replays to determine if your application of the rules of the game was actually correct but at the moment in time he was applying what he believed was correct.
There is too much criticism of referees today and all of it technology based. Its a game played by humans marshalled by humans, human error is therefore a factor that should be tolerated.
Its all Skys fault.

The referees a racist......repeat until suicidal.

[quote=2630]Clattenburg allegedly said to Torres "get off you Spanish twit"... quote]

I hope he didn't miss out 'cheating snot-gobbling greasy arseholeofa' (Spanish twit)

How nice to think that a referee might just might have given as good as he gets for once

Referees at that level referee to a different set of rules than the lower leagues because have the fouls given would not be given lower down as it states in the laws of football " fouls abusive and insulting language is punishable by a red card, well start doing it then and stop bowing down to the premiershite big wigs who are grateful that fans are willing to pay stupid amounts of money to see these so called stars. It shows how low football in this country  has sunk.
Incidentally have you seen who has been appointed to the F A ?  Manures chief exec now who is running the premiershite?.
There were a lot of bad officials this weekend at all levels of the professional game.

If he did say a racist remark to a player,

I can not see him being a referee for much longer,

Not even in the blue square.

I know it does not happen  but a referee should have respect from the players at least,

This would not happen if he is found guilty.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I know it does not happen  but a referee should have respect from the players at least,

This would not happen if he is found guilty.

I'm sure there are certain players who'll have a new-found respect for him!

Quoted from Abdul19

I'm sure there are certain players who'll have a new-found respect for him!

He could still have a career over in Serbia  

Bit surprised how Phil Neville seems to have got away with his rubbish dive. No contact yet he still moaned afterwards as if he'd been unjustly dealt with. The home grown players seem to slip under the diving-cheat radar at times but a dive is a dive.

Rarely watch the Premiership apart from the odd MOTD on Sunday morning because it's so full of over paid cheats with over inflated egos who are completely out of control. Diving is one of the clearest examples of how supposedly gifted footballers would rather cheat than play an honest game. It might take the sending off of a few more of these clowns before the message gets through. It's the only way it will ever stamp it out of the game. BTW, Clattenburg rhymes with battenburg, which was one of my favourite cakes as a kid.

Quoted from RoboCod

Bit surprised how Phil Neville seems to have got away with his rubbish dive. No contact yet he still moaned afterwards as if he'd been unjustly dealt with. The home grown players seem to slip under the diving-cheat radar at times but a dive is a dive.

It was an awful dive but he has apologised for it, said it won't happen again and that he got a bollocking off Moyes at half-time. Doesn't excuse it obviously but it's something. Think the pereption that cheating is what 'the foreigners' do is slowly changing. Bale has been roundly criticised this season and Ashley Young's theatrics got a fair bit of attention last season.

Why is it rascist? He is Spanish, and he is a twit.

Quoted from scrumble

Why is it rascist? He is Spanish, and he is a twit.

I think the main racist accusation is the comments to Mikel, which havent come to light yet.

Quoted from scrumble

Why is it rascist? He is Spanish, and he is a twit.

Mata has been excellent for Chelsea this season. Yes he's Spanish but definitely NOT a twit. (IMHO anyway)

Radio 5 live this morning had Jeff Winter on and it was suggested the M word was used.

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

Radio 5 live this morning had Jeff Winter on and it was suggested the M word was used.

What's the M word? Thought it was marriage.

I assumed he called him a Manure player and the Chelsea player took offence

I saw two gams on Sunday. In one a perfectly legal goal was disallowed (Liverpool's third) and in another an offside goal was allowed to stand (Man U's third).

I am not having a go at the ref's here because in both cases the decision was highly marginal. But in both cases the decision was wrong. So why do we allow it continue week in and week out? With the benefit of the cameras the correct decision could have been communicated to the ref within seconds. The game had stopped anyway, so it's not as if it would delay matters.

I don't buy the 'it all evens out over a season' argument. That is just wishful thinking. There is no real evidence for it.

Allowing these errors to stand turns the game into a lottery. Sooner or later football will have to wake up to the fact that it's not 1898 anymore. Technology has moved on, and allows the easy and speedy erradication of many refereeing mistakes.  Tennis, Rugby, and Cricket have embraced it. Football needs to. Otherwise the game loses credibility.

I like the mistakes. Would make it much more sterile if we eradicated the errors.

Quoted from jock dock tower

Rarely watch the Premiership apart from the odd MOTD on Sunday morning because it's so full of over paid cheats with over inflated egos who are completely out of control. Diving is one of the clearest examples of how supposedly gifted footballers would rather cheat than play an honest game.

Not really sure what the usual overpaid prima donna etc etc stuff has to do with diving.

I've seen as much cheating in the BSP at BP as I have in the Prem on the tv; Southport and Fleetwood deserving of a special mention.

Quoted from Neilo83

So ur saying that every time someone catches/touches/brushes someone it's a free kick?? I've just watches it again on YouTube and I can't see how anyone can say that he wasn't looking for that by going down easily.

Evans tackled Torres, missed him and caught him, of course that's a foul.

Look at all the abuse the refs get by players, the job is hard enough without effing and jeffing hurled at them or being scrutinized after every decision

I see Mr.Clattenburg is set to sue Chelsea......  according to this mornings papers....

interesting....

Did i hear correctly on the radio this morning that Chelsea's 'evidence' comes from the Portugese speaking Ramires who thinks he heard Geordie Clattenberg say something untoward and he translated it for Obi Mikel

Quoted from RonMariner

I saw two gams on Sunday. In one a perfectly legal goal was disallowed (Liverpool's third) and in another an offside goal was allowed to stand (Man U's third).

I am not having a go at the ref's here because in both cases the decision was highly marginal. But in both cases the decision was wrong. So why do we allow it continue week in and week out? With the benefit of the cameras the correct decision could have been communicated to the ref within seconds. The game had stopped anyway, so it's not as if it would delay matters.

I don't buy the 'it all evens out over a season' argument. That is just wishful thinking. There is no real evidence for it.

Allowing these errors to stand turns the game into a lottery. Sooner or later football will have to wake up to the fact that it's not 1898 anymore. Technology has moved on, and allows the easy and speedy erradication of many refereeing mistakes.  Tennis, Rugby, and Cricket have embraced it. Football needs to. Otherwise the game loses credibility.

I disagree with you completely on this. The Liverpool winner was clearly onside but it looked to me like Coates was climbing on the defender. What do you do in this instance? Is a video ref looking at all possible decisions or just line calls because you start having fourth/fifth officials looking for fouls, trying to determine if there's been contact etc then it'll be anything but easy and speedy.

The only thing I would have considered video or any type of technology for would have been goal-line and the Ukraine vs England game in the summer moved be to opposing that. In that game, with purely goal-line technology, the Ukraine 'goal' would have been given as it crossed the line despite replays showing the striker was clearly offside and how ludicrous would that be?

Referees make errors occasionally in their work, just like players and just like everybody on here I'm sure. They always have and the game has coped absolutely fine.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I disagree with you completely on this. The Liverpool winner was clearly onside but it looked to me like Coates was climbing on the defender. What do you do in this instance? Is a video ref looking at all possible decisions or just line calls because you start having fourth/fifth officials looking for fouls, trying to determine if there's been contact etc then it'll be anything but easy and speedy.

The only thing I would have considered video or any type of technology for would have been goal-line and the Ukraine vs England game in the summer moved be to opposing that. In that game, with purely goal-line technology, the Ukraine 'goal' would have been given as it crossed the line despite replays showing the striker was clearly offside and how ludicrous would that be?

Referees make errors occasionally in their work, just like players and just like everybody on here I'm sure. They always have and the game has coped absolutely fine.

Sorry but I don't get it. We have the technology to eradicate a large proprtion of errors, but we choose not to.  Doesn't make any sense.  Sure, every one makes mistakes at work, but the difference is that they can usually be corrected. In football it is often obvious that an error has been made, but we allow the wrong decision to stand. (Lampard's 'goal' against Germany for example). Crazy.

Now it turns out Clattenburg called Mikel a monkey,

Was he saying ," you cheeky monkey" replying to a comment or did he say something completely different ??

Quoted from RonMariner

Sorry but I don't get it. We have the technology to eradicate a large proprtion of errors, but we choose not to.  Doesn't make any sense.  Sure, every one makes mistakes at work, but the difference is that they can usually be corrected. In football it is often obvious that an error has been made, but we allow the wrong decision to stand. (Lampard's 'goal' against Germany for example). Crazy.

I think the issue is that yes, the technology is there to review decisions, but how far do you go back.

The Liverpool 'goal' on sunday - do you just review the offside decision, or look at a stage in play beyond that with the climbing on the defender, or go back further to see if it was actually a free kick to Liverpool that lead to the ball being played into the box, and before that was the disputed throw in decision 30 second before the free kick awarded correctly?

In my opinion, any technologies that remove the game further away from what you see in the park on a Sunday is bad for the sport.   I say leave it as it is, if only because if there wasn't controversy this board would be full of pointless polls and 'who's the best Town player called Steve?' type threads.


I'd probably go for Sherwood by the way  

Quoted from BIGChris

Did i hear correctly on the radio this morning that Chelsea's 'evidence' comes from the Portugese speaking Ramires who thinks he heard Geordie Clattenberg say something untoward and he translated it for Obi Mikel

Tenuous then?  

Just ban Geordie refs. Simple really.

From last night:

[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/01/article-2226112-15CABE30000005DC-762_634x407.jpg[/img]

Assume the fan doing it must be Serbian as England doesn't have any racism problems does it?

Apparently Clattenburg said "shut up Mikel," which, translated badly by Ramires who cant speak English, into "Shut up Monkey" and because the geordie accent is very strong, i can see where there is gonna be some problems, but Mikel heard nothing whilst stood next to Clattenburg whilst Ramires and Luiz heard it whilst stood a few feet away.


If you watch the video, Clattenburg cautions Mikel and puts a finger to his lips, indicating that Mikel was booked for Dissent, and Clattenburg wants him to shut up.


There we are FA and Metropolitan Police, i have just done the inquiry for you, and it took me 5 minutes.

Quoted from psgmariner

From last night:

[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/01/article-2226112-15CABE30000005DC-762_634x407.jpg[/img]

Assume the fan doing it must be Serbian as England doesn't have any racism problems does it?

Well he's for trouble. Even the Met shouldn't have a problem finding him!!

Quoted from barralad

Well he's for trouble. Even the Met shouldn't have a problem finding him!!

He could just suffer from arthritis or carry rolls of carpet for a living. That standard of defence worked for Terry.

The picture only tells half the story. If you could hear the bloke he was saying 'Is this what you think I just did at you?'

Quoted from SlouchyMetal

Apparently Clattenburg said "shut up Mikel," which, translated badly by Ramires who cant speak English, into "Shut up Monkey" and because the geordie accent is very strong, i can see where there is gonna be some problems, but Mikel heard nothing whilst stood next to Clattenburg whilst Ramires and Luiz heard it whilst stood a few feet away.


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Thats sounds about right,

If we can not understand a geordie whats the  chance that 2 foriegn players misheard him.

Quoted from barralad

Well he's for trouble. Even the Met shouldn't have a problem finding him!!

It would make me chuckle if he's an off duty copper !?!?!?