Matt Dean in hindsight maybe was heavily concerned with the Artell appointment when he did that overly emotional (fan like ) interview with him a few weeks ago , I thought it was weird at the time as Matt always come's across balanced and professional but something was different with that interview , maybe he has his doubts big time on Artell.
Matt Dean in hindsight maybe was heavily concerned with the Artell appointment when he did that overly emotional (fan like ) interview with him a few weeks ago , I thought it was weird at the time as Matt always come's across balanced and professional but something was different with that interview , maybe he has his doubts big time on Artell.
Journalists have to try and stay professional like Matt did at the infamous forum but DA needs a proper grilling.
There is clearly a hidden agenda going on, Artell has decimated the squad in just a couple of months so i'm beginning to think the orders are coming from above so I would like to see Matt Dean interviewing Jason and grilling him on whats the hidden agenda is
I'm guessing we are slashing the wage bill because Jason & Andrew are no longer financially backing the club
There is clearly a hidden agenda going on, Artell has decimated the squad in just a couple of months so i'm beginning to think the orders are coming from above so I would like to see Matt Dean interviewing Jason and grilling him on whats the hidden agenda is
I'm guessing we are slashing the wage bill because Jason & Andrew are no longer financially backing the club
If it's so clear then they're obviously not doing a very good job of keeping it hidden are they?
There is clearly a hidden agenda going on, Artell has decimated the squad in just a couple of months so i'm beginning to think the orders are coming from above so I would like to see Matt Dean interviewing Jason and grilling him on whats the hidden agenda is
I'm guessing we are slashing the wage bill because Jason & Andrew are no longer financially backing the club
I am hoping it is more the start of a clearout to allow us to get a whole new squad for next season, and players who will be able to play the way the manager wants. Hunt seemed to be the ideal candidate, but neither manager fancied him so there is something amiss there.
Apart from the obvious, above, I would like Matt Dean to question JS about The Fishy. This week we had StevetheFish generously spend about £1,000 in support of Town. This year we sponsored a player's shirt and, I believe 2 shirts last year. Also quite a few donations to the youth set.
So why should JS be so negative when asked about The Fishy in his last interview?. I would have thought he should be more supportive of The Fishy. Yes, we do have 1 or 2 who moan but also the likes of Poojah put forward eloquent views, supported by many.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
There is clearly a hidden agenda going on, Artell has decimated the squad in just a couple of months so i'm beginning to think the orders are coming from above so I would like to see Matt Dean interviewing Jason and grilling him on whats the hidden agenda is
I'm guessing we are slashing the wage bill because Jason & Andrew are no longer financially backing the club
That's the kind of unfounded bollox that gives our forum a bad name. There's no bloody hidden agenda, apart from the one going on between your ears I'm afraid. Artell was brought in to change our "style" of football but unfortunately its not happened, that's no slur on our owners, its very luck looking like they've made a mistake, nothing more than that imo... As for Matt Dean, I have a feeling this week's presser will be done by Shaun or Paul, Artell won't another grilling about last weekends shitshow.
Apart from the obvious, above, I would like Matt Dean to question JS about The Fishy. This week we had StevetheFish generously spend about £1,000 in support of Town. This year we sponsored a player's shirt and, I believe 2 shirts last year. Also quite a few donations to the youth set.
So why should JS be so negative when asked about The Fishy in his last interview?. I would have thought he should be more supportive of The Fishy. Yes, we do have 1 or 2 who moan but also the likes of Poojah put forward eloquent views, supported by many.
Dearie me. He wasn’t negative about the fishy. He just said he didn’t use it.
That's the kind of unfounded bollox that gives our forum a bad name. There's no bloody hidden agenda, apart from the one going on between your ears I'm afraid. Artell was brought in to change our "style" of football but unfortunately its not happened, that's no slur on our owners, its very luck looking like they've made a mistake, nothing more than that imo... As for Matt Dean, I have a feeling this week's presser will be done by Shaun or Paul, Artell won't another grilling about last weekends shitshow.
It's not a hidden agenda, but the last paragraph is part of what I was told last year.
That's the kind of unfounded bollox that gives our forum a bad name. There's no bloody hidden agenda, apart from the one going on between your ears I'm afraid. Artell was brought in to change our "style" of football but unfortunately its not happened, that's no slur on our owners, its very luck looking like they've made a mistake, nothing more than that imo... As for Matt Dean, I have a feeling this week's presser will be done by Shaun or Paul, Artell won't another grilling about last weekends shitshow.
Considering one of the owners suggested that to bring players in we need to get players out it seems we have brought in players that are poorer quality than those that have left.
So I think it would be quite right to ask the question have we cut the playing budget or are we paying the same for players that are worse than what we had and therefore who is to blame, the owners or Artell.
That's the kind of unfounded bollox that gives our forum a bad name. There's no bloody hidden agenda, apart from the one going on between your ears I'm afraid. Artell was brought in to change our "style" of football but unfortunately its not happened, that's no slur on our owners, its very luck looking like they've made a mistake, nothing more than that imo... As for Matt Dean, I have a feeling this week's presser will be done by Shaun or Paul, Artell won't another grilling about last weekends shitshow.
You watch your blood pressure getting all worked up like that
Apart from the obvious, above, I would like Matt Dean to question JS about The Fishy. This week we had StevetheFish generously spend about £1,000 in support of Town. This year we sponsored a player's shirt and, I believe 2 shirts last year. Also quite a few donations to the youth set.
So why should JS be so negative when asked about The Fishy in his last interview?. I would have thought he should be more supportive of The Fishy. Yes, we do have 1 or 2 who moan but also the likes of Poojah put forward eloquent views, supported by many.
We had 7500 in the ground on Saturday, there are probably 150-200 people who use this website regularly. There’s probably more GTFC chat in the canteen at the Council offices.
All he said was it probably wasn’t where he’d go to engage with fans. About 3 posts up from yours some mental case has said there’s a hidden agenda & he and Pettit are no-longer funding the club. Maybe he’s got a point?
We had 7500 in the ground on Saturday, there are probably 150-200 people who use this website regularly. There’s probably more GTFC chat in the canteen at the Council offices.
All he said was it probably wasn’t where he’d go to engage with fans. About 3 posts up from yours some mental case has said there’s a hidden agenda & he and Pettit are no-longer funding the club. Maybe he’s got a point?
We had 7500 in the ground on Saturday, there are probably 150-200 people who use this website regularly. There’s probably more GTFC chat in the canteen at the Council offices.
All he said was it probably wasn’t where he’d go to engage with fans. About 3 posts up from yours some mental case has said there’s a hidden agenda & he and Pettit are no-longer funding the club. Maybe he’s got a point?
Is the canteen at the Council open - I thought they were all working from home?
This week we had StevetheFish generously spend about £1,000 in support of Town. This year we sponsored a player's shirt and, I believe 2 shirts last year. Also quite a few donations to the youth set.
And dont forget about the hundreds of good-hearted Fishy members who raised thousands for Ollie when he lost his best friend to suicide. Yes it was pre-1878, but i bet nearly every single one of them is still active on the Fishy.
And dont forget about the hundreds of good-hearted Fishy members who raised thousands for Ollie when he lost his best friend to suicide. Yes it was pre-1878, but i bet nearly every single one of them is still active on the Fishy.
We aren't such a bad bunch, are we?
No , you’re a bloody good bunch . Like I’ve said numerous times . I look at the fishy as a place to chat crap about Town , like going down the pub . The problem rises when some simpletons read it and think it’s a fact and go into a meltdown. If they were opposite you in a pub you’d tell them to stop being a fanny .
What data is being used to evaluate DA? How does DA performance compare to same data of PH?
I really can't take this data stuff seriously - at our level - at the end of the day (it goes dark!) if we can't attract players /management who are marginally better than those we are competing with. Wrexham/Stockport etc have owners it seems with deeper pockets & a bigger fan base than ours - sadly in the long run we will be left behind. What baffles me is that the likes of Harrogate, Sutton, Crawley, Accrirngton etc - without the infrastructure/fan base that we have are better than us?
I really can't take this data stuff seriously - at our level - at the end of the day (it goes dark!) if we can't attract players /management who are marginally better than those we are competing with. Wrexham/Stockport etc have owners it seems with deeper pockets & a bigger fan base than ours - sadly in the long run we will be left behind. What baffles me is that the likes of Harrogate, Sutton, Crawley, Accrirngton etc - without the infrastructure/fan base that we have are better than us?
So are Sutton, Walsall, Doncaster, Salford,Swindon,Tranmere,Crawley and Bradford who are all in the bottom half of league 2.
But look at the players they attract....
Look, I'm a Grimsby boy living in Hull and absolutely have Grimsby in my blood and heart but I've said this before, the Town is on its bottom, it has very little to offer young aspiring footballers. When we had Cleethorpes as a hub of activity and a lively night scene we attracted some great players, whom might I add loved the place and several settled and still live locally. Its words none of us want to hear but its just facts, its not even about logistics, its about what we can offer as pastimes and I'm convinced part of the reason Conteh wanted out was due to this.
Look, I'm a Grimsby boy living in Hull and absolutely have Grimsby in my blood and heart but I've said this before, the Town is on its bottom, it has very little to offer young aspiring footballers. When we had Cleethorpes as a hub of activity and a lively night scene we attracted some great players, whom might I add loved the place and several settled and still live locally. Its words none of us want to hear but its just facts, its not even about logistics, its about what we can offer as pastimes and I'm convinced part of the reason Conteh wanted out was due to this.
Well if you are correct then we may as well pack up and disband. If we cannot attract a quality of player to get us above the relegation places in league 2 because we can't offer whatever it is young footballers do when they are not working.
Nobody said that in the summer though when we signed apparently good players from all over the country.
If you interrogate the data it can give you any answer you want, or whatever the phrase is.
No, it can't.
You can't find a signal in data that isn't there. You simply can't.
If you disingenuously look at a subset of data, you can claim it shows something which it doesn't when looking at the whole body (politicians do this a lot), but that's not something that any analyst is going to do when looking for players to recommend, because they want to prove their worth.
You can't find a signal in data that isn't there. You simply can't.
If you disingenuously look at a subset of data, you can claim it shows something which it doesn't when looking at the whole body (politicians do this a lot), but that's not something that any analyst is going to do when looking for players to recommend, because they want to prove their worth.
The question was how come the data was used to sack Hurst, but worse data has allowed Artell to stay, for now at least. The answer is that they are being selective with the data, as it would make them look foolish to sack him this early.
They are interrogating the data to come up with the answer they want.
Anyone can manipulate/select data to supplement their already held views. E.g. Artell does this regularly when he says “we played well for a five minute spell” in a game.
Anyone can manipulate/select data to supplement their already held views. E.g. Artell does this regularly when he says “we played well for a five minute spell” in a game.
Or our away record is good (2 clean sheets in a row 😂) therefore it’s the atmosphere at BP that’s the problem
Well if you are correct then we may as well pack up and disband. If we cannot attract a quality of player to get us above the relegation places in league 2 because we can't offer whatever it is young footballers do when they are not working.
Nobody said that in the summer though when we signed apparently good players from all over the country.
Pal, the only player we signed from North of the Watford gap was Wilson, who looks to have potentially struggled to settle here too. And also look at the quality of player we signed, not exactly great is it.?. Our pool is northern based players, but when Barrow can get better quality than us, because they train at Knutsford, you know we are pissing into the wind.
Pal, the only player we signed from North of the Watford gap was Wilson, who looks to have potentially struggled to settle here too. And also look at the quality of player we signed, not exactly great is it.?. Our pool is northern based players, but when Barrow can get better quality than us, because they train at Knutsford, you know we are pissing into the wind.
We've just signed players last month from Portsmouth, Cheltenham x2, Coventry and Blackpool and Hull. Whether they are good enough is a different discussion altogether and involves a whole lot of factors, but we will continue to sign players from all over the UK
Pal, the only player we signed from North of the Watford gap was Wilson, who looks to have potentially struggled to settle here too. And also look at the quality of player we signed, not exactly great is it.?. Our pool is northern based players, but when Barrow can get better quality than us, because they train at Knutsford, you know we are pissing into the wind.
Didn't we sign Wilson from Sutton?
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
I know people hate a dose of reality, but look at it pragmatically, who was the last "quality" player who was required to upsticks from down South, and settle here?.Who's signature did we get to beat our rivals?.. There's a long list of players through the 70s, 80s, 90s who moved to the area and there's no coincidence that was a golden era for us
I know people hate a dose of reality, but look at it pragmatically, who was the last "quality" player who was required to upsticks from down South, and settle here?.Who's signature did we get to beat our rivals?.. There's a long list of players through the 70s, 80s, 90s who moved to the area and there's no coincidence that was a golden era for us
Well of course we are not signing the same quality of player now because we are seen as a yo yo club between league 2 and non league. We are still signing players from the South and all over the UK and presumably the quality will go up if we ever get our excrement together.
Well of course we are not signing the same quality of player now because we are seen as a yo yo club between league 2 and non league. We are still signing players from the South and all over the UK and presumably the quality will go up if we ever get our excrement together.
But we are not...all our recent acquisitions are northern lads, who on the face of it, didn't have any better offers... Be honest with yourself, if you do not know Grimsby abd your agent is driving you over for contract talks, you'd get to Park Street and do a U turn...
But we are not...all our recent acquisitions are northern lads, who on the face of it, didn't have any better offers... Be honest with yourself, if you do not know Grimsby abd your agent is driving you over for contract talks, you'd get to Park Street and do a U turn...
Northern lads? The latest accusitions have been from Portsmouth and Cheltenham, unless we now have to have a back story on players to see if their roots originated from North of the Wash.
Players move all over the country all the time and Park Street has always been there whenever we have signed players.
We won't agree and you can have the final word if you want but this mantra that we can't sign players always comes up when we hit a rough patch, and as I say no one mentioned it in the summer when we seemed to be signing decent players.
I know people hate a dose of reality, but look at it pragmatically, who was the last "quality" player who was required to upsticks from down South, and settle here?.Who's signature did we get to beat our rivals?.. There's a long list of players through the 70s, 80s, 90s who moved to the area and there's no coincidence that was a golden era for us
It was the geography bit that I didn't get to be honest as the Watford gap is in Northants, but I get your point and understand now.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
There is clearly a hidden agenda going on, Artell has decimated the squad in just a couple of months so i'm beginning to think the orders are coming from above so I would like to see Matt Dean interviewing Jason and grilling him on whats the hidden agenda is
I'm guessing we are slashing the wage bill because Jason & Andrew are no longer financially backing the club
That is the most baseless conspiracy theory I've seen on here - and there is some excellent competition Where is your evidence>
But we are not...all our recent acquisitions are northern lads, who on the face of it, didn't have any better offers... Be honest with yourself, if you do not know Grimsby abd your agent is driving you over for contract talks, you'd get to Park Street and do a U turn...
It's nothing to do with what Grimsby is like and everything to do with the fact we pay peanuts.
Wrexham is a shithole and they don't have a problem anymore.
It's nothing to do with what Grimsby is like and everything to do with the fact we pay peanuts.
Wrexham is a shithole and they don't have a problem anymore.
PP, I'm seriously thinking you need help, you're continued agenda against the club is embarrassing now. If you think circa £2K a week is peanuts then I'd like be a pound behind you, even at £1.5k its still affords a bloody good standard of living. We are a back water, a town on its uppers, with no big vibrant city within 75 miles of us, Wrexham is commutable from Liverpool or even Manchester, I need say no more on the subject.
PP, I'm seriously thinking you need help, you're continued agenda against the club is embarrassing now. If you think circa £2K a week is peanuts then I'd like be a pound behind you, even at £1.5k its still affords a bloody good standard of living. We are a back water, a town on its uppers, with no big vibrant city within 75 miles of us, Wrexham is commutable from Liverpool or even Manchester, I need say no more on the subject.
But in football terms it is peanuts. And we're not talking about a squad full of players on 2k a week, we're talking about 1 or 2 at best. Last season we had zero.
Wrexham is an hour from Liverpool and Manchester, Sheffield isn't much different to us.
I'm not criticising that we're paying this much, I don't want us gambling our future in the hope of success that might not come. But whilst 10 clubs at this level spunk more money than they make, we won't beat them to signing players. It was the case under Fenty and it's the case now. Sustainable and signing the best players do not go hand in hand.
It's nothing to do with what Grimsby is like and everything to do with the fact we pay peanuts.
Wrexham is a shithole and they don't have a problem anymore.
In the last 10-15 years the churn of players has been incredible. Hundreds and hundreds of players signed from all over the place. In fact the new owners want to slow this churn of players down, hence the longer contracts.
The discussion should be about the quality of player we are attracting, but when you are continually floundering in league 2 it is not the best selling point. You can counter that by paying over the odds to attract the better players but we won't do that, so we need a manager to make the most of the players we can afford, which is why we hired David Artell...
In the last 10-15 years the churn of players has been incredible. Hundreds and hundreds of players signed from all over the place. In fact the new owners want to slow this churn of players down, hence the longer contracts.
The discussion should be about the quality of player we are attracting, but when you are continually floundering in league 2 it is not the best selling point. You can counter that by paying over the odds to attract the better players but we won't do that, so we need a manager to make the most of the players we can afford, which is why we hired David Artell...
Lew, (know that's not your name btw) I know we see things differently and that's not an issue but the bit in bold got me thinking about his appointment.
I'm wondering if he sold Stockwood a pup here, making out how he coached and brought players through from the Crewe academy into the first team, how he has the academy players playing the sane style as the first team so the flow was seamless, which is actually a load of bollox, its was a system set up Gradi, which Artell carried on and he's built a reputation on that. Once that flow of quality run dry and he had to sign and coach players he was found out, thus the fall from grace, a 19 game winless run and eventual relegation.
Lew, (know that's not your name btw) I know we see things differently and that's not an issue but the bit in bold got me thinking about his appointment.
I'm wondering if he sold Stockwood a pup here, making out how he coached and brought players through from the Crewe academy into the first team, how he has the academy players playing the sane style as the first team so the flow was seamless, which is actually a load of bollox, its was a system set up Gradi, which Artell carried on and he's built a reputation on that. Once that flow of quality run dry and he had to sign and coach players he was found out, thus the fall from grace, a 19 game winless run and eventual relegation.
Though he says he’s not a football person I’m sure Jason knows that the Crewe structure isn’t down to Artell.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Lew, (know that's not your name btw) I know we see things differently and that's not an issue but the bit in bold got me thinking about his appointment.
I'm wondering if he sold Stockwood a pup here, making out how he coached and brought players through from the Crewe academy into the first team, how he has the academy players playing the sane style as the first team so the flow was seamless, which is actually a load of bollox, its was a system set up Gradi, which Artell carried on and he's built a reputation on that. Once that flow of quality run dry and he had to sign and coach players he was found out, thus the fall from grace, a 19 game winless run and eventual relegation.
You may well be right but you would have thought background checks would have highlighted that.
The owners have clearly decided that to be "sustainable" the only way to go was to get a head coach to make the most of the relatively small budget, and especially bring on young talent as they think we have some good prospects in the academy. It is a fair enough policy as the constant signing of average players has brought us back to where we started.
It is going to be a long haul though isn't it, and if things don't improve more or less immediately they might have to shelve those grand ideas for something more pragmatic.
I bet like me you are fed up of having to talk about reasons things never seem to go well enough for a club with such good support, good responsible owners and there is no way we should ever contemplate dropping out of the league again which is what will happen if results on the pitch (not a spreadsheet) don't improve.
Though he says he’s not a football person I’m sure Jason knows that the Crewe structure isn’t down to Artell.
You say that, but in one of his early interviews, might have been his first, that that's exactly what he brings to the table, and kept quoting Perry NGs name.
Yes, whilst I agree Stockwood isn't a stupid man, I can see him being blindsided by Artells bullshit.
You say that, but in one of his early interviews, might have been his first, that that's exactly what he brings to the table, and kept quoting Perry NGs name.
Yes, whilst I agree Stockwood isn't a stupid man, I can see him being blindsided by Artells bullshit.
Oh I’m 100% sure he talked himself into the job. Also I don’t buy this 18 months off to re-charge bollox.
I suspect his pay off from Crewe ran out and he needed to find a job. His agent actually did a good job packaging him on various channels as a thinking man’s coach.
I want him to be successful and clearly he’s a knowledgeable and capable coach but suspect it’s a case of wrong man, wrong club, wrong time.
The next 4 weeks will confirm or deny.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Oh I’m 100% sure he talked himself into the job. Also I don’t buy this 18 months off to re-charge bollox.
I suspect his pay off from Crewe ran out and he needed to find a job. His agent actually did a good job packaging him on various channels as a thinking man’s coach.
I want him to be successful and clearly he’s a knowledgeable and capable coach but suspect it’s a case of wrong man, wrong club, wrong time.
The next 4 weeks will confirm or deny.
The more I think about it, he comes across a bit jolleyesque, only Jolley was slightly more articulate in the way he put his bulllshit across.
At a slight tangent, John Tondeur has tweeted to say he's interviewing JS at around 2.30.
I don't normally listen to the pre match stuff but I will listen to that as it should be an interesting listen. It can't be easy for the bloke at the moment and I am just hoping and praying all the results go for us this afternoon. I think the bottom two are at home and we are away to a (relatively) in form side so I am dreading it if things go badly.
Jolley didn’t do much wrong other then fall out with Fenty ( not difficult) and then presented him an opportunity to sack him.
For me, the basic litmus test of a manager is; “did they leave the club in a better place than they found it?”. Of all of our managers this century, I think there’s only Hurst and Jolley that can make a good argument that they did.
Incidentally, the situation Jolley inherited is much like ours now; a few points above the relegation zone but unquestionably plummeting towards it. I realise it’s not going to happen, but I’ve said previously that I’d be interested to see how he would have got on working with our current owners and a bit more money. I’d genuinely feel more comfortable with him in the dugout right now than Artell.
I don't normally listen to the pre match stuff but I will listen to that as it should be an interesting listen. It can't be easy for the bloke at the moment and I am just hoping and praying all the results go for us this afternoon. I think the bottom two are at home and we are away to a (relatively) in form side so I am dreading it if things go badly.
He will be talking about CEO appointment and other improvements and how it’s all a learning curve how the data is helping and by the way the fans should stop moaning . I can send you the transcript now if you wish .
I don't normally listen to the pre match stuff but I will listen to that as it should be an interesting listen. It can't be easy for the bloke at the moment and I am just hoping and praying all the results go for us this afternoon. I think the bottom two are at home and we are away to a (relatively) in form side so I am dreading it if things go badly.
He will be talking about CEO appointment and other improvements and how it’s all a learning curve how the data is helping and by the way the fans should stop moaning even though I don’t look at social media. I can send you the transcript now if you wish .
For me, the basic litmus test of a manager is; “did they leave the club in a better place than they found it?”. Of all of our managers this century, I think there’s only Hurst and Jolley that can make a good argument that they did.
Incidentally, the situation Jolley inherited is much like ours now; a few points above the relegation zone but unquestionably plummeting towards it. I realise it’s not going to happen, but I’ve said previously that I’d be interested to see how he would have got on working with our current owners and a bit more money. I’d genuinely feel more comfortable with him in the dugout right now than Artell.
Not often I disagree with you pal but I'm not so sure about that. Jolley got lucky, we got penalties we didn't deserve, which certainly helped our cause massively, and I'm not so sure Barrow fans would agree that of you gave Jolley money he can build a squad, he wasted thousands, lasted 6 games and was shown the door with P45 in hand
As an experienced interviewer for job positions, nobody should take claims said at face-value without some confirmation checks. The more important the job, or the more significant the claim, then due diligence checks should be more thorough. Move on if discrepancies found.
He will be talking about CEO appointment and other improvements and how it’s all a learning curve how the data is helping and by the way the fans should stop moaning . I can send you the transcript now if you wish .
But he’ll be putting himself in front of the local radio station and answering questions. Rather than banning them and letting Compass FM - quite literally at times - phone the commentary in.
Not often I disagree with you pal but I'm not so sure about that. Jolley got lucky, we got penalties we didn't deserve, which certainly helped our cause massively, and I'm not so sure Barrow fans would agree that of you gave Jolley money he can build a squad, he wasted thousands, lasted 6 games and was shown the door with P45 in hand
I think you’re doing the bloke a slight disservice there. When he came in, we hadn’t won for 15 games and had lost 11 of them. After a sticky start, he ultimately won 4 and drew 3 of his 10 games to keep us up that season. The Cardwell penalty at Swindon was fortuitous, yes, though I’d argue the one against Chesterfield was at least “borderline”, and we were unlucky not to get something away at promotion winning Wycombe on Easter Monday.
We were actually 14th on PPG when he eventually got sacked; we just hadn’t played for 3 weeks due to a string of unfortunate postponements. Ultimately, his rant did for him.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to rewrite history and paint him as some sort of messiah. He was just a lot better than most of the dross we’ve had in charge in recent years.
I think you’re doing the bloke a slight disservice there. When he came in, we hadn’t won for 15 games and had lost 11 of them. After a sticky start, he ultimately won 4 and drew 3 of his 10 games to keep us up that season. The Cardwell penalty at Swindon was fortuitous, yes, though I’d argue the one against Chesterfield was at least “borderline”, and we were unlucky not to get something away at promotion winning Wycombe on Easter Monday.
We were actually 14th on PPG when he eventually got sacked; we just hadn’t played for 3 weeks due to a string of unfortunate postponements. Ultimately, his rant did for him.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to rewrite history and paint him as some sort of messiah. He was just a lot better than most of the dross we’ve had in charge in recent years.
He didn't even get sacked. I guess he probably would have considering his negative comments about the club in it, but more so how bad the football was. We were absolutely awful to watch, and I recall results had gone worse than you say, because we seemed to pick up under AL and he didn't win a game.
He predicted he'd get sacked and took a mutual consent departure. The rant wasn't even in the public domain at the time. It got released after his statement about it being a mutual decision for him to leave and then made a few comments about the club. Cynically, you might think somebody in the club released the audio after that statement to settle the score.
For me, the basic litmus test of a manager is; “did they leave the club in a better place than they found it?”. Of all of our managers this century, I think there’s only Hurst and Jolley that can make a good argument that they did.
Incidentally, the situation Jolley inherited is much like ours now; a few points above the relegation zone but unquestionably plummeting towards it. I realise it’s not going to happen, but I’ve said previously that I’d be interested to see how he would have got on working with our current owners and a bit more money. I’d genuinely feel more comfortable with him in the dugout right now than Artell.
Jolley was appointed manager with us 20th in L2 and engineered his departure with us 18th in L2. I mean, he did leave us in a better position than he inherited us but…
Jolley was appointed manager with us 20th in L2 and engineered his departure with us 18th in L2. I mean, he did leave us in a better position than he inherited us but…
Did hurst leave us in a better position than he inherited second time round?
He didn't even get sacked. I guess he probably would have considering his negative comments about the club in it, but more so how bad the football was. We were absolutely awful to watch, and I recall results had gone worse than you say, because we seemed to pick up under AL and he didn't win a game.
He predicted he'd get sacked and took a mutual consent departure. The rant wasn't even in the public domain at the time. It got released after his statement about it being a mutual decision for him to leave and then made a few comments about the club. Cynically, you might think somebody in the club released the audio after that statement to settle the score.
We took 7 points from his last 6 games in charge - albeit that did include a 4-0 hammering at home by Swindon. It took 9 games for Limbrick to amass 7 points, though I acknowledge he was a little unlucky not to get a win sooner than his last game against Salford, with Holloway watching on from the stands.
I think you’re doing the bloke a slight disservice there. When he came in, we hadn’t won for 15 games and had lost 11 of them. After a sticky start, he ultimately won 4 and drew 3 of his 10 games to keep us up that season. The Cardwell penalty at Swindon was fortuitous, yes, though I’d argue the one against Chesterfield was at least “borderline”, and we were unlucky not to get something away at promotion winning Wycombe on Easter Monday.
We were actually 14th on PPG when he eventually got sacked; we just hadn’t played for 3 weeks due to a string of unfortunate postponements. Ultimately, his rant did for him.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to rewrite history and paint him as some sort of messiah. He was just a lot better than most of the dross we’ve had in charge in recent years.
He achieved 1 point from his final 4 league matches. To imagine a league table where those 2 cancelled matches had been played and yielded positive results might be considered a bit far fetched.
What were the 2 matches that were postponed?
Plymouth away and Newport at home? Given our form at the time of those matches I’d say 1 point maximum from those.
Jolley was appointed manager with us 20th in L2 and engineered his departure with us 18th in L2. I mean, he did leave us in a better position than he inherited us but…
We were in grave danger of going down when he arrived; we weren’t when he left. As I pointed out, what would have been Jolley’s last three games were all postponed; we were 14th on PPG.
Most Town managers in recent years have left us in a tangibly worse position that the one they inherited. Newell, Woods, Bignot, Slade, Holloway - and now likely Artell. Jolley’s reign as at least respectable for the most part.
We took 7 points from his last 6 games in charge - albeit that did include a 4-0 hammering at home by Swindon. It took 9 games for Limbrick to amass 7 points, though I acknowledge he was a little unlucky not to get a win sooner than his last game against Salford, with Holloway watching on from the stands.
1 point from 4. 7 points from 6.
The 2 wins were 6 weeks before his departure. Does genuine form go that far back?
The 2 wins were 6 weeks before his departure. Does genuine form go that far back?
His record here was always streaky - flitting from unbeaten runs into winless ones. Ultimately, he left the club almost 3 weeks after his final game - he didn’t leave over results.
We were in grave danger of going down when he arrived; we weren’t when he left. As I pointed out, what would have been Jolley’s last three games were all postponed; we were 14th on PPG.
Most Town managers in recent years have left us in a tangibly worse position that the one they inherited. Newell, Woods, Bignot, Slade, Holloway - and now likely Artell. Jolley’s reign as at least respectable for the most part.
Apparently not very well liked by some of the non playing staff and they were glad to see the back of him.
I heard some of this guff around Jolley at a match this season. He kept us up, great, but he then assembled a god awful team and played some of the most turgid football I’ve ever watched at Grimsby.
I’m not linking this to Artell who I’ve said I think should go (although today was a better display) but let’s not reinvent Michael ‘ucking Jolley as some sort of savant
We were in grave danger of going down when he arrived; we weren’t when he left. As I pointed out, what would have been Jolley’s last three games were all postponed; we were 14th on PPG.
Most Town managers in recent years have left us in a tangibly worse position that the one they inherited. Newell, Woods, Bignot, Slade, Holloway - and now likely Artell. Jolley’s reign as at least respectable for the most part.
Whilst I largely agree, Jolley also left some fundamental problems in the squad which left us like a boat starting to take on water.
Matt Green and James Hanson were a year past their sell by date but on big contracts - impossible to move on but either injured or ineffective on the pitch.
For that and other reasons I think our trajectory was already back downwards and I think he knew it too. His rant - in part was about funds - with a great escape on his CV, it wasn’t a bad time for him to leave reputationally,,, well, until the recording was “released.”
His record here was always streaky - flitting from unbeaten runs into winless ones. Ultimately, he left the club almost 3 weeks after his final game - he didn’t leave over results.
Agreed. We won 11 home league games in 2018-2019 and when was the last time we did that as a league club before then? We won 5 home games on the spin too. It might not have been great but home games weren't the trial that they are now. My friends and I started buying something in the club shop as a tradition after every home win then and have continued to do so. Needless to say my savings are building up.
The downside that season had been another slow start which put paid to any hopes of a successful league campaign.
I heard some of this guff around Jolley at a match this season. He kept us up, great, but he then assembled a god awful team and played some of the most turgid football I’ve ever watched at Grimsby.
I’m not linking this to Artell who I’ve said I think should go (although today was a better display) but let’s not reinvent Michael ‘ucking Jolley as some sort of savant
I think people forget just how bad the football was in the weeks before he was sacked. Aimless long balls to an ineffective forward line. He had one game where he mixed it up and put Ogbu up front with runners off him and we were ace, that was away at Exeter. I thought at the time he’s cracked it and then literally the next game he reverted to type. He made us solid enough, certainly more solid than we are now but his career since leaving here shows how good a manager he was.
I like Radio Humberside including Matt Dean and John Tondeur, but it felt abit under the belt to put that into the open, journalists only really give a excrement about putting themselves into the spotlight and anything to get publicity no matter how positive or negative. I think the only real thing that got Jolley the sack, was him telling the truth how excrement the budget was, Darth Fenty probally hated Radio Humberside just as much as Jolley did.
I know hundreds will disagree, but this is just me. I would not have sacked Bignot, Jolley or Hurst Mk II I think all three would have either done a better job eventually than for all their criticism and agreements at being sacked! Slade Mk II and Holloway were far far worse.
I think people forget just how bad the football was in the weeks before he was sacked. Aimless long balls to an ineffective forward line. He had one game where he mixed it up and put Ogbu up front with runners off him and we were ace, that was away at Exeter. I thought at the time he’s cracked it and then literally the next game he reverted to type. He made us solid enough, certainly more solid than we are now but his career since leaving here shows how good a manager he was.
Aye the football under jolley at the end was truly painful to watch, so dull.
I like Radio Humberside including Matt Dean and John Tondeur, but it felt abit under the belt to put that into the open, journalists only really give a excrement about putting themselves into the spotlight and anything to get publicity no matter how positive or negative. I think the only real thing that got Jolley the sack, was him telling the truth how excrement the budget was, Darth Fenty probally hated Radio Humberside just as much as Jolley did.
I know hundreds will disagree, but this is just me. I would not have sacked Bignot, Jolley or Hurst Mk II I think all three would have either done a better job eventually than for all their criticism and agreements at being sacked! Slade Mk II and Holloway were far far worse.
If someone spoke to say your mum, dad, wife, son, daughter in their workplace like Jolley did wouldn’t you want that out there?
Thing is with Jolley his ego didn’t match his ability or through no fault of his own his budget.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
If someone spoke to say your mum, dad, wife, son, daughter in their workplace like Jolley did wouldn’t you want that out there?
Thing is with Jolley his ego didn’t match his ability or through no fault of his own his budget.
Yeah, a big big mistake Jolley doing that, I bet he regrets it bigtime. I can't remember off the top of my head where we were in the league at the time, somewhere mid table I think.
I like Radio Humberside including Matt Dean and John Tondeur, but it felt abit under the belt to put that into the open, journalists only really give a excrement about putting themselves into the spotlight and anything to get publicity no matter how positive or negative. I think the only real thing that got Jolley the sack, was him telling the truth how excrement the budget was, Darth Fenty probally hated Radio Humberside just as much as Jolley did.
I know hundreds will disagree, but this is just me. I would not have sacked Bignot, Jolley or Hurst Mk II I think all three would have either done a better job eventually than for all their criticism and agreements at being sacked! Slade Mk II and Holloway were far far worse.
I'm pretty sure a club employee put the clip into the open.
I'm pretty sure a club employee put the clip into the open.
How some folk still attach blame to the guys at Radio Humberside I don’t know.. as you say it’s common knowledge what occurred. A hatchet job from within.
To be fair to Jolley he has a point, appreciate they have questions to ask but at times they do go for the jugular
Yeah Hurst Mk 1 went off on one a few times with Tondeur after a few poop results when we was in the National League. Hurst Mk 2, I can't remember even once even with any poop results lol.
I think history is hiding a lot of Jolley's flaws.
Without question he performed a miracle in keeping such a excrement side up. Hard to believe we had a front 3 of Harry Cardwell, JJ Hooper and Harry Clifton during that run-in.
But the rest of his spell was largely turgid, broken up with brief moments of promise before he seemed to bottle it and play safe.
Other than a tight, man-to-man tactic I'm not sure he actually had a game plan. Soon got found out and no surprise he's had so few opportunities since leaving here.
FGR beat Wrexham and then us and we may as well get Jolley back as he couldn't do any worse. At least he brought a bit of excitement and energy to the job, and the win over Notts County was a highlight of recent years. It all ended badly with him, yes, but he saved us in the middle of a crisis.
FGR beat Wrexham and then us and we may as well get Jolley back as he couldn't do any worse. At least he brought a bit of excitementand energy to the job, and the win over Notts County was a highlight of recent years. It all ended badly with him, yes, but he saved us in the middle of a crisis.
FGR beat Wrexham and then us and we may as well get Jolley back as he couldn't do any worse. At least he brought a bit of excitement and energy to the job, and the win over Notts County was a highlight of recent years. It all ended badly with him, yes, but he saved us in the middle of a crisis.
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I think all three would have either done a better job eventually than for all their criticism and agreements at being sacked! Slade Mk II and Holloway were far far worse.
