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No platformed? It’s an internet discussion board you fkin drip, not Newsnight.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I can see where this website is heading.
Go with the flow with the loud multipal posters opinions like a good little boy or be non platformed as was tried on another thread.
Load of balderdash.

It depends how sensitive you are. I have no problem with Ska and Stadium and co. and their opinions even if I heartily disagree at times and say so. There is no personal animosity ....... I hope!

This is a forum and it is about the view we see printed on the screen not about the person on the keyboard. I was always taught "Don't shoot the messenger." One thing we cannot do with The Fishy is to let it ever become a place where opinions are "called out" for no other reason than that they offend someone's sensibilities. Another is to use the board for untrue or unfounded personal attacks. We are adults in the main so we should behave like grown ups. Simple enough to me.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

It depends how sensitive you are. I have no problem with Ska and Stadium and co. and their opinions even if I heartily disagree at times and say so. There is no personal animosity ....... I hope!

This is a forum and it is about the view we see printed on the screen not about the person on the keyboard. I was always taught "Don't shoot the messenger." One thing we cannot do with The Fishy is to let it ever become a place where opinions are "called out" for no other reason than that they offend someone's sensibilities. Another is to use the board for untrue or unfounded personal attacks. We are adults in the main so we should behave like grown ups. Simple enough to me.

This.

An interesting article by Dan Hodges today detailing how the report published about grooming gangs was literally a "whitewash."

Home office officials and civil servants do not want us to know the full extent of the problem quoting it is not in the "public interest."

It is no good at all trying to sweep scandals like this under the carpet, people have a right to know the truth.

Two Home secretaries have been thwarted at every turn by PC officials, desperate to keep the lid on the real situation, citing no "hard data"  exists about the ethnicity of the offenders. Sarah Champion the Labour MP for Rotherham says there are between 500 - 1000 Asian grooming gang members in Britains jails, so what further hard evidence do they need? A brave lady is Sarah Champion who was sacked by Jeremy Corbyn for daring to write about the true situation.

It really is a shameful situation and will only get worse as more offenders are prosecuted.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Two Home secretaries have been thwarted at every turn by PC officials, desperate to keep the lid on the real situation, citing no "hard data"  exists about the ethnicity of the offenders. Sarah Champion the Labour MP for Rotherham says there are between 500 - 1000 Asian grooming gang members in Britains jails, so what further hard evidence do they need?

What the article actually attributed to Sarah Champion was:

‘But as Labour's Sarah Champion said: 'There are almost 100 people in jail now for grooming in and around Rotherham. Nationally there are between 500 and 1,000 people in jail for these offences. That's quite a decent sample size isn't it? Why doesn't the Home Office simply sit down with those offenders, interview them, and create an offenders' profile from that?'

Quoted from Sandford1981

What the article actually attributed to Sarah Champion was:

‘But as Labour's Sarah Champion said: 'There are almost 100 people in jail now for grooming in and around Rotherham. Nationally there are between 500 and 1,000 people in jail for these offences. That's quite a decent sample size isn't it? Why doesn't the Home Office simply sit down with those offenders, interview them, and create an offenders' profile from that?'

A fair enough point. However, coming from an MP who has campaigned about the abuse of white underage girls by Asian gangs for years , the inference is clear - look at the actual offenders in prison and then come to a conclusion instead of hiding behind the excuse there is no "hard data."

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

A fair enough point. However, coming from an MP who has campaigned about the abuse of white underage girls by Asian gangs for years , the inference is clear - look at the actual offenders in prison and then come to a conclusion instead of hiding behind the excuse there is no "hard data."

The inference is clear to you given your viewpoint and you have attempted to add certain words to suit your narrative. The problem is when you take the quote from what essentially is an opinion piece and change it, you dilute and distort what may have already been paraphrased or twisted for the purpose of the article.
My point is your credibility is then questionable and that’s counterproductive to a proper discussion.

I personally think there is a discussion to be had about this issue. But if we only look as far as our own biases all we get are two diametrically opposed groups stating and restating the same old points.

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The inference is clear to you given your viewpoint and you have attempted to add certain words to suit your narrative. The problem is when you take the quote from what essentially is an opinion piece and change it, you dilute and distort what may have already been paraphrased or twisted for the purpose of the article.
My point is your credibility is then questionable and that’s counterproductive to a proper discussion.

I personally think there is a discussion to be had about this issue. But if we only look as far as our own biases all we get are two diametrically opposed groups stating and restating the same old points.


Again fair enough - I did extrapolate from the 100 offenders in jail in the Rotherham area to the 500 - 1000 in jail throughout the country are Asian. Yes, I am assuming she meant the 100 in Rotherham are Asian but I think I can be forgiven for that because that was the whole thrust of the article, and she has spent a large part of her career campaigning on the issue of Asian rape gangs.

I don't think there needs to be a discussion in the sense of defining the problem. The facts are self-evident in that we have an ongoing problem of Asian rape gangs targeting white underage girls.

You are right in that we all have a bias on this and most things in life - other posters were keen to point out the official report lessened the extent of the problem, and I am keen to point out it was a whitewash.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

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The inference is clear to you given your viewpoint and you have attempted to add certain words to suit your narrative. The problem is when you take the quote from what essentially is an opinion piece and change it, you dilute and distort what may have already been paraphrased or twisted for the purpose of the article.
My point is your credibility is then questionable and that’s counterproductive to a proper discussion.

I personally think there is a discussion to be had about this issue. But if we only look as far as our own biases all we get are two diametrically opposed groups stating and restating the same old points.


Again fair enough - I did extrapolate from the 100 offenders in jail in the Rotherham area to the 500 - 1000 in jail throughout the country are Asian. Yes, I am assuming she meant the 100 in Rotherham are Asian but I think I can be forgiven for that because that was the whole thrust of the article, and she has spent a large part of her career campaigning on the issue of Asian rape gangs.

I don't think there needs to be a discussion in the sense of defining the problem. The facts are self-evident in that we have an ongoing problem of Asian rape gangs targeting white underage girls.

You are right in that we all have a bias on this and most things in life - other posters were keen to point out the official report lessened the extent of the problem, and I am keen to point out it was a whitewash.

I’m well aware of Sarah Champion and her fight against abuse full stop.
I’m also not daft enough to realise that given her profile she’s well known for cases involving Asian grooming gangs.
I’m not for 1 second going to deny their existence historically or be stupid enough to think they’re not around now either, or will continue to be in the future sadly.

I do not believe grooming gangs are exclusively Asian just as I don’t believe all lone paedophiles are white. The commonality among all these perpetrators is their crime, and their predilection is to abuse and therefore we must do all we can to combat the problems. However, If there is a pattern of behaviour or characteristics that go beyond the crime, we should absolutely investigate it.
I do believe in the process of profiling these crimes and the abusers as part of a plan to disrupt future crimes in the same way as profiling is used in other areas. But it is also a fine line and dangerous to make broad generalisations too.

It’s clearly a delicate process and we must be guided by hard In depth evidence and experts with knowledge and experience in key areas from a multitude of backgrounds  
That’s why when people on here with knowledge of the care system like friskney talk I tend to listen to their views. First hand knowledge and experience is priceless.

Quoted from Sandford1981

I’m well aware of Sarah Champion and her fight against abuse full stop.
I’m also not daft enough to realise that given her profile she’s well known for cases involving Asian grooming gangs.
I’m not for 1 second going to deny their existence historically or be stupid enough to think they’re not around now either, or will continue to be in the future sadly.

I do not believe grooming gangs are exclusively Asian just as I don’t believe all lone paedophiles are white. The commonality among all these perpetrators is their crime, and their predilection is to abuse and therefore we must do all we can to combat the problems. However, If there is a pattern of behaviour or characteristics that go beyond the crime, we should absolutely investigate it.
I do believe in the process of profiling these crimes and the abusers as part of a plan to disrupt future crimes in the same way as profiling is used in other areas. But it is also a fine line and dangerous to make broad generalisations too.

It’s clearly a delicate process and we must be guided by hard In depth evidence and experts with knowledge and experience in key areas from a multitude of backgrounds  
That’s why when people on here with knowledge of the care system like friskney talk I tend to listen to their views. First hand knowledge and experience is priceless.

I am sure you are well aware of all the issues involved, I guess most posters are. What is not clear though, is why some posters even now refuse to put the blame where it lies - at the door of Asian rape gangs who systematically abused under age, predominately white girls by raping them, forcing them to watch rape, and were ruthless in their control of them by doing things like dousing them in petrol if they ever dared to disobey.

I re-read a summary of the public enquiry into the Rotherham sex abuse scandal, which confirmed it was predominately white girls abused by predominately Asian men of Pakistani origin with the willful neglect of the police, the council and community leaders thrown in for good measure.

The idea that a report could come out years later to try to paint a different story is grotesque, but some posters on here could not hide their refusal to accept the truth, preferring instead to point the finger at people who dared to tell the truth.