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Maringer
June 8, 2017, 9:12am
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GyFerrers, for you personally, you'll probably be better off in the shorter term by voting Tory. However, you would need to be aware that the country in which we live will be changing a huge amount during the next parliament. The next round of benefit cuts are really going to hammer the poorest in society to a huge amount. Not just the 'benefit scroungers' that the Tories would have you believe exist in vast numbers (they don't), but millions of working families who will lose between 4% and 10% of their income. This at a time when inflation is approaching 3% as well, of course and wage growth is non-existent. No surprise that the Tories stopped measuring child poverty a few years back, is it?

Longer-term, the Tory mantra of shrinking the state alongside tax give aways for the richest will begin to actively impact the middle-classes as it has in the US. When they get to the stage of privatising parts of the NHS, that's where the fun really begins for the middle classes. If it's a model like in the US (pretty much inevitable given the cross-pollination between the Tories and the Republicans, I reckon) the poorest will get continue basic care at low cost but the biggest impact will fall on the middle classes. Expect pretty high health insurance costs for you and your family. Probably another 10 years before the Tories really make their play for NHS privatisation, though Brexit might ramp up their schedule a bit.

Now onto Grim - once again you completely dodge the topic. Thornberry accepted donations in kind from a well respected law firm specialising in Human Rights work at a time when there was no indication of any wrongdoing. This is perfectly acceptable.

The constituency of Theresa May (Home Secretary at the time) accepted a cash donation from a businessmen who was subsequently found guilty of bribery. This was perfectly acceptable at the time as well as May and her assistants had no idea that the donor had been breaking the law.

It is an absolute exact match and you'd have to be incredibly one-eyed to avoid seeing this.

As an aside, no charges yet, but one of the biggest donors to May's leadership campaign (along with his wife) is being investigated by the serious fraud office:

https://www.theguardian.com/po.....serious-fraud-office

If his company is found guilty, I do hope this donation will be repaid.

Campaign finance is a whole different thing. We do at least have sensible limits in this country, unlike the US. Of course, the fact that the Tories can raise so much more from their wealthy donors (who then receive tax cuts as their own benefit in kind) at the same time they are doing their best to stop unions funding Labour, means that we're still not on an even playing field. I expect things to get worse as well.
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I've been monitoring this exchange for some time now and try as I might I can't see much sign of either side moving towards any sort of compromise or change of heart, unsurprisingly. Do you think it could stop soon? It is supposed to be a football forum. No one''s even nominated a twit for a while.


We are destined to a fool's fate that deserves to be mocked.
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June 8, 2017, 9:16am

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When does the season start?  


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I can't wait for the 5th August!


I've wasted my life in black and white, a pathetic act for a worthless cause
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Quoted from SpudUDontLike
I've been monitoring this exchange for some time now and try as I might I can't see much sign of either side moving towards any sort of compromise or change of heart, unsurprisingly. Do you think it could stop soon? It is supposed to be a football forum. No one''s even nominated a twit for a while.


Hagrid.
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When does the season start?  


Hunting season is in full swing Les.
The soft underbelly of our country is about to be wiped out.
We can just hope that Corbyn and his inept sexual conquest get absolutely thrashed. So much so they disappear for ever.
May will be fine. Brexit will be sorted and all will be well. Although it may take 2 or 3 years before we see the benefit.


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'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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May will be fine. Brexit will be sorted and all will be well. Although it may take 2 or 3 years before we see the benefit.


You're a funny guy, that's for sure.

Hopelessly optimistic, but funny.  
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I have enjoyed reading all the posts on here it like reading War and Peace,

What will we do after today when the election is over ?

Maybe we could have a debate on Donald Trump likes on one side dislikes on the other,

That should take us nicely up to the start of the season.


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I've been monitoring this exchange for some time now and try as I might I can't see much sign of either side moving towards any sort of compromise or change of heart, unsurprisingly. Do you think it could stop soon? It is supposed to be a football forum. No one''s even nominated a twit for a while.


Back to sensible football opinions--Slades excrement  --but not as excrement as Corbyn or his lover
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You're a funny guy, that's for sure.

Hopelessly optimistic, but funny.  


I'll be even more optimistic when I know that vile racist woman will not be making Home Secretary.  

I hope Jeremy loses with good grace though and for the good of the country hands over the magic money tree to TM the PM. 😃

After all, those magic beans he planted will have started to bloom by the next election, so he can fund his policies with those !!

I've asked Diane Abbott when the next election is due.
Sha said it's 4389 years,  oh hang on, sorry, it's err a week on Tuesday, or was it 58th Octember.  😉


The wife was going away for a girly weekend.
I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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