Joining the dots

Let's recap for a sec.

-- GTST will not "be seeking a place on the board of the Football Club in the immediate future"
when one of their objectives is clearly stated as:

"v. to encourage and promote the principle of supporter representation on the board of
any company owning or controlling the Club and ultimately to be the vehicle for
democratic elections to the board;"

Why ?
I'd guess it's because of the terms of acceptance to the board to protect the club's financial future ?
Let's presume so for a moment...

Add to this:

-- Fenty resigned because of majority shareholding remaining outside the boardroom (also true 6 months ago when Parker resigned but forget that ! )
-- MP has now scaled back his shareholding.
-- Majority shareholding STILL remains outside the boardroom.

So if GTST got a place on the board then what would happen ?
Yep, Fenty would have no reason not to be chair anymore would he ?

So in light of all that, what do you thinks gonna happen next ?

Hint:

"Whilst GTST will not be seeking a place on the board of the football club in the immediate future, the acquisition of these shares provides a golden opportunity for GTFC supporters to have a more meaningful influence on the future of Grimsby Town Football Club."

Any guesses ?  

Colonel Mustard in the kitchen with a soggy dog?

Close !  

Here's another hint:

"We look forward to a long and productive working relationship with the football club, but would also echo the sentiments of the club's chief executive Ian Fleming in appealing for investment from anyone with the resources to help take the club forward."

No-one worked it out yet ?

Oh well, I guess you'll find out soon.

80s joining the dots that's a laugh.  

Flash to bang what a wally!!!!!!

i TRUST in cod

Quoted from 1600

No-one worked it out yet ?

Oh well, I guess you'll find out soon.

Why do you have to post a riddle 80s, why not just say?
Personally I'm finding this whole thing confusing enough as it is!

I think  you either mean Fenty is coming back or that the fans will be running the club in the future? But I don't know.

I HATE being the harbinger of doom, but i really do fear for our future now, i have supported this
club for 4+ decades,  many good times, many bad, but NEVER with the prospect of extinction on
the horizon - i suppose its a combination of  our clubs 2 ego  money men, the economic climate, unemployment, of which unfortunately i am now one  and  the pathetically low pay  in this region that
risks our great clubs future.
Rabbits out  of hats are needed now!

Quoted from upthestripes

Why do you have to post a riddle 80s, why not just say?
Personally I'm finding this whole thing confusing enough as it is!

Just thought it might be fun but as pete says it's no laughing matter....

Ok then I'll tell you what I think it all ultimately means - I might be wrong but I'll take a risk.

I think those statements from GTST are a pretext to asking the fans to raise the money to give them a seat on the board and finance the club in the process - hence "not in the immediate future"...

Then if they achieve a seat on the board, majority shareholding will no longer be outside the boardroom, and Fenty will return as chair.

Notice how everyone is saying how fans have a chance to have a voice but they haven't actually said how it will be achieved ?
That's the next part IMO.

"Ian Fleming in appealing for investment from anyone with the resources to help take the club forward."

Anyone being the fans.

"Whilst GTST will not be seeking a place on the board of the football club in the immediate future, the acquisition of these shares provides a golden opportunity for GTFC supporters to have a more meaningful influence on the future of Grimsby Town Football Club."

Golden opportunity = fans get a say if they cough up the money.

If I'm totally wrong then I'd like to know why receiving all those shares means anything else than diddly squat to GTST achieving their long term objectives.

Quoted from petethemariner

I HATE being the harbinger of doom, but i really do fear for our future now, i have supported this
club for 4+ decades,  many good times, many bad, but NEVER with the prospect of extinction on
the horizon - i suppose its a combination of  our clubs 2 ego  money men, the economic climate, unemployment, of which unfortunately i am now one  and  the pathetically low pay  in this region that
risks our great clubs future.
Rabbits out  of hats are needed now!

These are clearly worrying times, I am sure nobody thinks anything other. You also make good points about the ecconomic climate and the local ecconomy too.

my own view is that there isnt quite the agenda of intrigue and double dealing that some are getting off on. Clearly the two major players in this have, to some, degree had a difference of opinion. What their current stances are is unknown and i try to avoid the mystic Meg approach.


In respect of the Trust, i see this as an opportunity. An opportunity to galvenise the significant support the club has arounf the Town, area, country and overseas. Ultimately it probably will/should become a fund raising machine but initially at least i think they need to reach out for every Town fan in the world to get their support. They need to be driven by their memebers, not the personal views of the Trust board members. These may or may not be the same thing. People need to see the Trust as an INclusive club open to all.

I am led to believe the current Trust membership has dwindled to 200 or therabouts. Is 2000+ a reasonable target? More? Is the membership fee an issue? £15 a year doesnt seem prohibitive.

With a 2000 membership is a donation of £5 a month feasible? Is that enough to make a difference? Is it enough to make a JF or MP re-consider the position re on going funding?

At present there are more questions than answers but I do think this is a genuine opportunity to make GTFC, a community club if not a totally community owned club

Quoted from BIGChris

These are clearly worrying times, I am sure nobody thinks anything other. You also make good points about the ecconomic climate and the local ecconomy too.

my own view is that there isnt quite the agenda of intrigue and double dealing that some are getting off on. Clearly the two major players in this have, to some, degree had a difference of opinion. What their current stances are is unknown and i try to avoid the mystic Meg approach.


In respect of the Trust, i see this as an opportunity. An opportunity to galvenise the significant support the club has arounf the Town, area, country and overseas. Ultimately it probably will/should become a fund raising machine but initially at least i think they need to reach out for every Town fan in the world to get their support. They need to be driven by their memebers, not the personal views of the Trust board members. These may or may not be the same thing. People need to see the Trust as an INclusive club open to all.

I am led to believe the current Trust membership has dwindled to 200 or therabouts. Is 2000+ a reasonable target? More? Is the membership fee an issue? £15 a year doesnt seem prohibitive.

With a 2000 membership is a donation of £5 a month feasible? Is that enough to make a difference? Is it enough to make a JF or MP re-consider the position re on going funding?

At present there are more questions than answers but I do think this is a genuine opportunity to make GTFC, a community club if not a totally community owned club

I fully agree with you here Chris.  This may be the last chance saloon to really make a difference.  Please join it and stop knocking it I would say.  As I've seen on other posts recently the Club is up for sale and we don't see any takers to date. Very worrying times if this stagnates in the coming days, weeks, months.

UTM!

Quoted from Informer the real one

80s joining the dots that's a laugh.  

Flash to bang what a wally!!!!!!

i TRUST in cod

please leave me out of this utter b0ll0Ck$ plz!

Quoted from sonik

I fully agree with you here Chris.  This may be the last chance saloon to really make a difference.  Please join it and stop knocking it I would say.  As I've seen on other posts recently the Club is up for sale and we don't see any takers to date. Very worrying times if this stagnates in the coming days, weeks, months.

UTM!

i agree we are near the last chance saloon but grimsby being grimsby i honestly cant see the trust working and fear for our future.fenty asked for and got investment what he didnt say was you werent allowed any say and must toe the fenty line errmm. im sad parker hasnt gone the whole hogg and got rid of fenty and his benign loans...we r fooked

Quoted from pier39

i agree we are near the last chance saloon but grimsby being grimsby i honestly cant see the trust working and fear for our future.fenty asked for and got investment what he didnt say was you werent allowed any say and must toe the fenty line errmm. im sad parker hasnt gone the whole hogg and got rid of fenty and his benign loans...we r fooked

That's the most Grimsby thing I have ever heard!

Quoted from 1600

Ok then I'll tell you what I think it all ultimately means -

Thank you for clarifying. Interesting thoughts. At  least it would mean some kind of future.

Quoted from 1600

I might be wrong but I'll take a risk.

Quelle surprise.

I think those statements from GTST are a pretext to asking the fans to raise the money to give them a seat on the board and finance the club in the process - hence "not in the immediate future"...

Of course they are...they're a Supporters' Trust!

Then if they achieve a seat on the board, majority shareholding will no longer be outside the boardroom, and Fenty will return as chair.

I hardly think that is going to happen anytime soon!

Notice how everyone is saying how fans have a chance to have a voice but they haven't actually said how it will be achieved ?
That's the next part IMO.

"Ian Fleming in appealing for investment from anyone with the resources to help take the club forward."

Anyone being the fans.

No....anyone means individuals with pots of money.

"Whilst GTST will not be seeking a place on the board of the football club in the immediate future, the acquisition of these shares provides a golden opportunity for GTFC supporters to have a more meaningful influence on the future of Grimsby Town Football Club."

Golden opportunity = fans get a say if they cough up the money.

Anyone who wants a say in the day to day running of the club needs to put their money where their mouth is - that includes the Trust.

If I'm totally wrong then I'd like to know why receiving all those shares means anything else than diddly squat to GTST achieving their long term objectives.

Not wrong at all...I just don't understand why you think it's necessary to state what is perfectly obvious to everyone as if you've just discovered the meaning of life!

Quoted from pier39

i agree we are near the last chance saloon but grimsby being grimsby i honestly cant see the trust working and fear for our future.fenty asked for and got investment what he didnt say was you werent allowed any say and must toe the fenty line errmm. im sad parker hasnt gone the whole hogg and got rid of fenty and his benign loans...we r fooked

You can have your opinions Pier39 but some things in your statement are so wrong in my opinion.  Time will tell. Join the Trust if you're not already a member and try make a difference.  Your club needs you and many more.  UTM!!

Quoted from sonik

You can have your opinions Pier39 but some things in your statement are so wrong in my opinion.  Time will tell. Join the Trust if you're not already a member and try make a difference.  Your club needs you and many more.  UTM!!

losing our league status and then losing to part time teams on a regular basis. yep its all about opinions mine is youre brother should have done the decent thing and made the transition to parker straight forward rather than try to claw some money back

Quoted from sonik

You can have your opinions Pier39 but some things in your statement are so wrong in my opinion.  Time will tell. Join the Trust if you're not already a member and try make a difference.  Your club needs you and many more.  UTM!!

i would love to join the trust and would defintly without hesitation apart from one reason Dave Otter,dont trust the bloke one little bit an totally stuck up johns bottom everything john does dave agrees with which is very worrying,Dave left the trust the other year so why has he reappeared  the man is clueless an inept so for him to have a say of our shareholding is very scary,the gtst needs to open a vote system for who should be on the board of the gtst  an whos chairman of the gtst, instead of someone who has done nothing for two years an admitted it an give him responsibilty of the shares given to GTST that is very worrying,does anybody out there know the gtst agenda apart from being dormant for the last two years  UTM

Quoted from meggietown

i would love to join the trust and would defintly without hesitation apart from one reason Dave Otter,dont trust the bloke one little bit an totally stuck up johns bottom everything john does dave agrees with which is very worrying,Dave left the trust the other year so why has he reappeared  the man is clueless an inept so for him to have a say of our shareholding is very scary,the gtst needs to open a vote system for who should be on the board of the gtst  an whos chairman of the gtst, instead of someone who has done nothing for two years an admitted it an give him responsibilty of the shares given to GTST that is very worrying,does anybody out there know the gtst agenda apart from being dormant for the last two years  UTM

All your answers can be found of the GTST web site. There is an 'open vote system so there is no reason why you wont be joining?

http://www.gtst.net/site/content/view/287/2/

Quoted from BIGChris

All your answers can be found of the GTST web site. There is an 'open vote system so there is no reason why you wont be joining?

http://www.gtst.net/site/content/view/287/2/

nice one cheers for that chris

Quoted from sonik

You can have your opinions Pier39 but some things in your statement are so wrong in my opinion.  Time will tell. Join the Trust if you're not already a member and try make a difference.  Your club needs you and many more.  UTM!!

Sheer hypocrisy fom the brother of the man that has led us to this sad and sorry situation. Come and pick up the pieces of my brothers mess.

If the worst come to the worst who will be around to bail the club out? Yep, that's right, the person who gets slagged off every week by the brain deads on here John Fenty.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Sheer hypocrisy fom the brother of the man that has led us to this sad and sorry situation. Come and pick up the pieces of my brothers mess.

You must have had a few beers too by the way your spelling is tonight. Just what do you mean?  This is a real situation the Club finds its self in.  John and we if you are included in that want whats best for the future survival of GTFC. Please tell us how to go about it!

Quoted from sonik

Please tell us how to go about it!

Stick your hand in your pocket for a £2 million playing budget to get us out of this league and the fans will cough up in their droves too.

Quoted from BIGChris

All your answers can be found of the GTST web site. There is an 'open vote system so there is no reason why you wont be joining?

http://www.gtst.net/site/content/view/287/2/

Some good posts Chris. The Trust isn't about any individuals opinion, its a democratic group where everyone's opinion is just as important and valid as the next man. Only way to influence it is to be involved.

Get involved. I truly believe that together the supporters of GTFC really can make a difference through the trust.

Anyone wanting information can find it on the website, with other avenues being via Facebook and Twitter.

The Trust means business. Exciting times in amongst the doom and gloom.

UTM.

Quoted from 1600

Stick your hand in your pocket for a £2 million playing budget to get us out of this league and the fans will cough up in their droves too.

What's do you mean? I am a Town fan the same as you "I think." I pay my way. Stop all the crap. At least support the Trust unless you can contribute to the ongoing losses or we won't have a club to support at all. Sad but true!

Quoted from sonik

What's do you mean? I am a Town fan the same as you "I think." I pay my way. Stop all the crap.

With all due respect I'm not talking crap and I certainly wasn't suggesting you're not fans.

What I'm saying is only JF has the power to set the playing budget.
£900K playing budgets are generous but you might as well go for it with £2 million in 1 year to get out the BSP than £1 million over 2 years IF you think you've got the right man/men

Please see my post
http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1317759843/s-3/#num5

Quoted from sonik

At least support the Trust unless you can contribute to the ongoing losses or we won't have a club to support at all. Sad but true!

sonik it's all well and good telling fans to dig deep but it's not necessarily gonna inspire or motivate people to do it.

Many aren't convinced by JF's running of the club but if we all(stayaways included) had a COMMON STRATEGIC GOAL we could all work towards then wouldn't everyone be happy ?

- Club gets the short-term support it needs. (and lot's of it)
- Fans get a budget to lick their lips over.
- Attendances rise help paying for it all
- Town gets buzzing again etc

If it all doesn't work out then ok, we cut our cloth(and we still do it in L2) but we're gonna do that anyway aren't we ?
So why don't we consider "going for it" first ?

I just feel we need BIG IDEAS not doom and gloom ones.

Just imagine - your brother could say e.g. for every £1 the fans raise, he will do the same.
How about that ?  
You can't get much more "co-operative" than that !

Launch a nationwide "Get us out" campaign, get Graham Taylor and other ex-mariners backing it.
Show leadership and people from London and all around the world might stump up if they thought it could make a REAL difference.

I'm afraid the unfortunate fact is that people(especially investors) are reluctant to invest in what they see as a sinking ship.

But if the noises coming out the club changed to VERY POSITIVE, then maybe others might also want to invest and come on board for a piece of the action ?  

Other examples - GTST could ask Parker for funding and promise to repay his shares if we go up (ok forget that one ! )

We could all sit down and think of lots of ideas - the possibilities are endless...

I just feel fans need to have some STRATEGIC GOALS to get them excited and rally to the clubs cause.

We need ambition and inspiration !

Quoted from sonik

You must have had a few beers too by the way your spelling is tonight. Just what do you mean?  This is a real situation the Club finds its self in.  John and we if you are included in that want whats best for the future survival of GTFC. Please tell us how to go about it!

Can't find any spelling errors, and, like many others, look forward to the day when the club is in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing.

Quoted from sonik

What's do you mean? I am a Town fan the same as you "I think." I pay my way. Stop all the crap. At least support the Trust unless you can contribute to the ongoing losses or we won't have a club to support at all. Sad but true!

Sonik, let me start by stating that I've always respected the role that JF has played in the club and honestly can't believe that he has stuck at it for as long as he has.  Forgive me if what I write below is a little naieve or goes over old ground as I've tried to stay away from much of what has gone on recently, considering it not relevant to the end game of the current scenario.  

Whilst I strongly disagree with most of what 80's Glory writes, honestly I've never heard a more ill conceived suggestion (let's have a real crack at promotion by putting 2million into the playing budget!), I do agree with him on one point and that is a lack of a clear strategic direction for the club.  People, certainly speaking for myself, are going to be reluctant to put good money into the club without such a plan in place.  Why has John gone quiet at this point?  Is it simply that he intends that we continue as we are just with more help to fund the losses?  Surely this is the time when absolute clarity is required?  If the club is going to have to retrench , smashing costs, to move forward at a later date then let's have those cards on the table.  The lack of direction from, and irrespective of current position, the man who has been at the head of GTFC for the last decade coupled with the actions of Mike Parker smacks of childish game playing and is, IMHO, not having the (stated by you) desired effect of mobilising the great supporter base of GTFC.

What we need is clear direction now so that we can stop guessing about what will be required at a later date.

UTM  

Quoted from meggietown

i would love to join the trust and would defintly without hesitation apart from one reason Dave Otter,dont trust the bloke one little bit an totally stuck up johns bottom everything john does dave agrees with which is very worrying,Dave left the trust the other year so why has he reappeared  the man is clueless an inept so for him to have a say of our shareholding is very scary,the gtst needs to open a vote system for who should be on the board of the gtst  an whos chairman of the gtst, instead of someone who has done nothing for two years an admitted it an give him responsibilty of the shares given to GTST that is very worrying,does anybody out there know the gtst agenda apart from being dormant for the last two years  UTM

Well if he gets home from work at night and reads the kind of thing you've just posted would you have blamed him for having a break?  I did hear he resigned for personal reasons and if what I heard was true he did the right thing for both the Trust and himself.  A lot can change in two years.

I think that the major problem is the lack of transparency as to what's happening.

I would guess I'm not the only one who would happily join the trust and pay £15 per year and £5 per month but first I want to know how it'll be used? How the club will be run in the future? Is the trust aiming for a place on the board? What's happening with Fenty and Parker and future funding from the two of them?

Realistically I can't see trust membership and contributions going up rapidly until people know exactly where things stand at the moment.

Quoted from 1600

With all due respect I'm not talking crap and I certainly wasn't suggesting you're not fans.

What I'm saying is only JF has the power to set the playing budget.
£900K playing budgets are generous but you might as well go for it with £2 million in 1 year to get out the BSP than £1 million over 2 years IF you think you've got the right man/men

Please see my post
http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1317759843/s-3/#num5


sonik it's all well and good telling fans to dig deep but it's not necessarily gonna inspire or motivate people to do it.

Many aren't convinced by JF's running of the club but if we all(stayaways included) had a COMMON STRATEGIC GOAL we could all work towards then wouldn't everyone be happy ?

- Club gets the short-term support it needs. (and lot's of it)
- Fans get a budget to lick their lips over.
- Attendances rise help paying for it all
- Town gets buzzing again etc

If it all doesn't work out then ok, we cut our cloth(and we still do it in L2) but we're gonna do that anyway aren't we ?
So why don't we consider "going for it" first ?

I just feel we need BIG IDEAS not doom and gloom ones.

Just imagine - your brother could say e.g. for every £1 the fans raise, he will do the same.
How about that ?  
You can't get much more "co-operative" than that !

Launch a nationwide "Get us out" campaign, get Graham Taylor and other ex-mariners backing it.
Show leadership and people from London and all around the world might stump up if they thought it could make a REAL difference.

I'm afraid the unfortunate fact is that people(especially investors) are reluctant to invest in what they see as a sinking ship.

But if the noises coming out the club changed to VERY POSITIVE, then maybe others might also want to invest and come on board for a piece of the action ?  

Other examples - GTST could ask Parker for funding and promise to repay his shares if we go up (ok forget that one ! )

We could all sit down and think of lots of ideas - the possibilities are endless...

I just feel fans need to have some STRATEGIC GOALS to get them excited and rally to the clubs cause.

We need ambition and inspiration !

fenty and parker seem to not want to put any more money in and your solution is to double the playing budget?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I think that the major problem is the lack of transparency as to what's happening.

I would guess I'm not the only one who would happily join the trust and pay £15 per year and £5 per month but first I want to know how it'll be used? How the club will be run in the future? Is the trust aiming for a place on the board? What's happening with Fenty and Parker and future funding from the two of them?

Realistically I can't see trust membership and contributions going up rapidly until people know exactly where things stand at the moment.

I think I'm right in saying that all will become clearer in the near future regarding the Re-launching of the GTST. I agree with some of your concerns.  Meetings are in the pipeline to discuss ways forward.  UTM!

How can the Trust be expected to tell you what's going on with Fenty and Parker?  They probably don't know anyway!!

Quoted from Devonmatt

Whilst I strongly disagree with most of what 80's Glory writes, honestly I've never heard a more ill conceived suggestion (let's have a real crack at promotion by putting 2million into the playing budget!)

I think you're missing the whole point.

We're in position where Mr Fenty, Mr Parker and GTST have not expressed any intention (as yet) to put more money into the club despite being significant shareholders.

Nor I would add have the fans to any significant degree.

Who has taken it upon themselves to try to rectify the situation ? No-one (as yet but as we all should know, that will change)

What I'm suggesting is a situation where all relevant parties can reach a common agreement towards a common goal.

If fans put £1 in, then Mr Fenty does and if that's the case, it's quite possible Mr Parker will too.

So forget £2 million budgets for now - what is wrong with that ?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Is the trust aiming for a place on the board?

Well done you've cracked it.

Quoted from BIGChris

There is an 'open vote system so there is no reason why you wont be joining?

http://www.gtst.net/site/content/view/287/2/

What open vote system ?
Please show me where it says that ?

Quoted from sonik

I think I'm right in saying that all will become clearer in the near future regarding the Re-launching of the GTST. I agree with some of your concerns.  Meetings are in the pipeline to discuss ways forward.  UTM!

I'm amazed at the impatience some people show towards the trust. They have been completely open and honest about the fact they have been dormant for a long time. They effectively ceased to exist simply because with a sugar daddy at the helm they had no relevance.

Right now they are just a group of well meaning fans looking to get it up and running again. Give them a little while to get started folks! I suspect their prominence will grow very rapidly despite the attempts of one or two to undermine their efforts.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

I'm amazed at the impatience some people show towards the trust. They have been completely open and honest about the fact they have been dormant for a long time. They effectively ceased to exist simply because with a sugar daddy at the helm they had no relevance.

Right now they are just a group of well meaning fans looking to get it up and running again. Give them a little while to get started folks! I suspect their prominence will grow very rapidly despite the attempts of one or two to undermine their efforts.

Don't think anyone's undermining them - like others, I'm just wondering who's going to be paying the bills in 6/9 months time????

I'm not trying to undermine them either. I probably should have made it clearer that I'm not trying to criticise them and I realise that they've had little time to get things moving. I was just trying to explain that I think there are lots of people, myself included, who will support the trust and contribute in time but that we just need a greater understanding of what's happening before making that commitment. I'm not even trying to suggest that it is the Trust who need to do the explaining.

Can I also add how relieved and delighted I am to have 80's Glory to explain exactly what's happening to us all. The fact that he does it in such a concise manner whilst avoiding patronising every other poster on this board is to his utmost credit. Kudos to you sir.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Can I also add how relieved and delighted I am to have 80's Glory to explain exactly what's happening to us all. The fact that he does it in suck a concise manner whilst avoiding patronising every other poster on this board is to his utmost credit. Kudos to you sir.

Are you being sarcastic ?
If so maybe you've got a point...

At the end of the day I'm only trying to steer supporters in what I believe to be the direction of the truth.
If that's patronising of me too then I sincerely apologise but I hope at least you'll agree there are bigger issues at stake.

If you're only trying to steer us all in the direction of truth then I apologise for implying you're patronising - clearly I had it wrong.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I'm not trying to undermine them either. I probably should have made it clearer that I'm not trying to criticise them and I realise that they've had little time to get things moving. I was just trying to explain that I think there are lots of people, myself included, who will support the trust and contribute in time but that we just need a greater understanding of what's happening before making that commitment. I'm not even trying to suggest that it is the Trust who need to do the explaining.

Can I also add how relieved and delighted I am to have 80's Glory to explain exactly what's happening to us all. The fact that he does it in such a concise manner whilst avoiding patronising every other poster on this board is to his utmost credit. Kudos to you sir.

I don't think anyone has a problem with you expressing your concerns - at least you are obviously sincere, unlike the attention seekers, wind up merchants and those for whom the lift doesn't quite reach the top floor (yes, you Mr Grimbarian).

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

If you're only trying to steer us all in the direction of truth then I apologise for implying you're patronising

This just made me lol

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

If you're only trying to steer us all in the direction of truth then I apologise for implying you're patronising - clearly I had it wrong.

Ok have it your way.
You posed the question and I gave my view.

Next time YOU give an opinion, I'll presume you're showing off because you think you know better than everyone else.  

Quoted from 1600

With all due respect I'm not talking crap and I certainly wasn't suggesting you're not fans.

What I'm saying is only JF has the power to set the playing budget.
£900K playing budgets are generous but you might as well go for it with £2 million in 1 year to get out the BSP than £1 million over 2 years IF you think you've got the right man/men

Please see my post
http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1317759843/s-3/#num5


sonik it's all well and good telling fans to dig deep but it's not necessarily gonna inspire or motivate people to do it.

Many aren't convinced by JF's running of the club but if we all(stayaways included) had a COMMON STRATEGIC GOAL we could all work towards then wouldn't everyone be happy ?

- Club gets the short-term support it needs. (and lot's of it)
- Fans get a budget to lick their lips over.
- Attendances rise help paying for it all
- Town gets buzzing again etc

If it all doesn't work out then ok, we cut our cloth(and we still do it in L2) but we're gonna do that anyway aren't we ?
So why don't we consider "going for it" first ?

I just feel we need BIG IDEAS not doom and gloom ones.

Just imagine - your brother could say e.g. for every £1 the fans raise, he will do the same.
How about that ?  
You can't get much more "co-operative" than that !

Launch a nationwide "Get us out" campaign, get Graham Taylor and other ex-mariners backing it.
Show leadership and people from London and all around the world might stump up if they thought it could make a REAL difference.

I'm afraid the unfortunate fact is that people(especially investors) are reluctant to invest in what they see as a sinking ship.

But if the noises coming out the club changed to VERY POSITIVE, then maybe others might also want to invest and come on board for a piece of the action ?  

Other examples - GTST could ask Parker for funding and promise to repay his shares if we go up (ok forget that one ! )

We could all sit down and think of lots of ideas - the possibilities are endless...

I just feel fans need to have some STRATEGIC GOALS to get them excited and rally to the clubs cause.

We need ambition and inspiration !

80s your long posts and over analysis of everything are commendable and show your love of the club but a playing budget of £2 million to get us out of this league is just ridiculous. Do you think that there is a pot of gold waiting for us in League 2? It can't be that more beneficial financially being up there. Yes there will be more travelling fans, a bit of TV money and maybe some better sponsorship but what happens to our £2 million wage packet that next season?