Jason’s interview

Quoted from ginnywings

Wonder what the stats are for the percentage of your posts you have mentioned that in the last 2 years?

Probably not as many as you flipping moaning about my comments, if you don't like what I post don't read them f'wit

Well my stats were right, he took us out of the League, so why are we 4th from bottom if our stats are that good or is that just a bit too difficult for you to understand?

I think Jason handled this very well, it would have been easy for him to let their obvious friendship get in the way but it’s good to see the club came first. UTM

Data in and of itself is neither bad nor good, purely it’s a numerical representation of a physical act in a football match (in this context).
The majority of the time the information is only as useful as the person interpreting it.
But we all do it without realising it everyday in normal life but in football also.

How do we assess a midfielder for example? Made some good passes but gave it away 3 times and excrement out of at least 2 tackles in the last couple games. Puts in a shift for 90minutes but positionally goes missing and so I’m not so keen on him. That’s data!

How do you assess your striker? Works tirelessly running the channels and pressing but isolated far too often and flicks headers through to their keeper as a result. Lacks physicality against ale house centre backs but picks up too many yellows. Does have an eye for goal though with 6 in his last 10 games. He’s a must for the starting 11.
That’s data!

‘The league table doesn’t lie’ is a cliche in football but that’s data too. It’s everywhere in various guises.

I don’t think I’ve read anyone saying it should be the only tool in the box but it’s part of football and always has been. It’s part of a modern manager’s armoury.
The way we collect it and use it has changed but it’s always been there in some form or another even if it’s not blatantly obvious and it’s benefit not appreciated by all.

Quoted from ginnywings

When we were in that slump in non league and people were calling for the head of Hurst, the board kept him on because the stats suggested we were better than the results were showing, and we went on to get promoted, so you could say, in that particular case, the use of stats worked very much in our favour, and we had a fortnight that will never be forgotten.

If we had got rid at that time, you never know what might have happened, but there is a more than even chance we would still be in non league.

Who knows?

That interview is so contradictory. Why give him that game if you've decided to get rid anyway? Would a win yesterday have meant all was OK and he should carry on?

The data and performances are good, but they got rid. Yet they never considered sacking him in the NL with a worse run.

If they said something underlying was wrong, I missed it, but he should have gone whenever they realised this, which wasn't at 5pm yesterday.

All a bit odd to me. If he just said we're excrement and need a change to get the best out of capable players then I'd understand it.

Quoted from GibMariner

All clubs use data, but most don’t talk about it as though something new has been invented.

Absolutely. And we had most of this data long before Hurst was here. We didn't have the guy to specifically look at data for new signings, but it's hard to call that well spent money so far

As a data analyst this thread has me feeling a bit attacked 🤣.  I think the key things I’d say around what I do, is that I can highlight trends & key drivers but it’s up to my managers to choose how to act on what I show them - I very rarely advise them on what to do as they have far more experience on that than I do.  
The second point is that the Town analyst is paid far less than what I am, so will have much less experience.  Not saying he isn’t great at his job but may still be finding his feet.
Ultimately data & what it shows is a tool to help make decisions, it can’t do it for you - that’s why businesses & football clubs have managers & why they carry the can of things go wrong.

Quoted from pen penfras

That interview is so contradictory. Why give him that game if you've decided to get rid anyway? Would a win yesterday have meant all was OK and he should carry on?

The data and performances are good, but they got rid. Yet they never considered sacking him in the NL with a worse run.

If they said something underlying was wrong, I missed it, but he should have gone whenever they realised this, which wasn't at 5pm yesterday.

All a bit odd to me. If he just said we're excrement and need a change to get the best out of capable players then I'd understand it.

The decision was dependent on the result. He said within the interview that the board hoped he did effect change yesterday, but he didn't and that is why the decision was taken.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The decision was dependent on the result. He said within the interview that the board hoped he did effect change yesterday, but he didn't and that is why the decision was taken.

When has that ever been any different. No owners wants to sack and start again a person they often are very close to.

These guys have not brought anything new as i see it, and values “give me a break”. Let’s just hope these professional investors have a lucky plan.

Quoted from GibMariner

When has that ever been any different. No owners wants to sack and start again a person they often are very close to.

These guys have not brought anything new as i see it, and values “give me a break”. Let’s just hope these professional investors have a lucky plan.

They doubled the season ticket sales virtually overnight for starters got an immediate promotion and gave us a wonderful cup run , I have to agree with the values bit though.  

Quoted from GibMariner

When has that ever been any different. No owners wants to sack and start again a person they often are very close to.

These guys have not brought anything new as i see it, and values “give me a break”. Let’s just hope these professional investors have a lucky plan.

What a narrow minded viewpoint...when you say they've brought nothing new i take you've already forgotten all the money pumped into BP and cheapside, a complete and comprehensive change in the running of the business, inefficient staff replaced, and the club is lightyears away from when Fenty had it, with a completely different ethos, its no longer an old boys club, its being run efficiently, as a business with an aim to improving year on year.