Paul hurst and the owners.

Paul We all respect you as a man and a manager,  what you've done for this club is admirable and you will always be welcome to Blundell Park but now is the time for you to move on and leave on  amicable terms .

All good things come to an end and I'm sure all the fans will hold you in high regard but please please go seek another challenge .

As for the owners don't let your emotions get in the way in what is no doubt a difficult decision . Paul is a good man and a good manager but we need new direction new ideas and a new manager.

When you took over our club these are the decisions you need to make to not kill our club like the past owner did.  Don't let personal friendship or emotion get in the way and for in no doubt how difficult it must be we need to part ways right now so we do not find ourselves in a position were eventually a new manager will be given a task with a team what could easily be bottom of the league by Christmas because as form shows over the past 20 or so games that is were we are heading.

Please don't leave it too late Jason/ Andrew he must go soon so the new man can see what we need in the January window.

Do the honourable thing Paul resign now and save the board from having to sack you.

We have gone backwards and all the money that was made from our cup run have been wasted.

We thought we had signed better players but for some reason it has not worked out.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Please don't leave it too late Jason/ Andrew he must go soon so the new man can see what we need in the January window.

Do the honourable thing Paul resign now and save the board from having to sack you.

We have gone backwards and all the money that was made from our cup run have been wasted.

We thought we had signed better players but for some reason it has not worked out.

Blimey, you’ve changed your tune!

We've only got 1 league game between now and Morecambe on 11th November. Can have a new manager installed by then. Donny and maybe Slough can be caretaker games.

You would like to think the board have a short list prepared.
We need a clear out of all the coaching staff and some fresh ideas.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Blimey, you’ve changed your tune!

Not really I said he needed 10or more games before we call for his sacking.

Well he has had them and a few more and we are worse off and look like conceding a goal every time the other team attack.

He can take Eastwood with him he must be the worse keeper we have had in years.

Quoted from Yoda

We need a clear out of all the coaching staff and some fresh ideas.

That should be a decision for the next manager.

Quoted from GrimRob

That should be a decision for the next manager.

But……………….. who is it going to be 🤷🏻‍♂️

I'm broken, don't know what to say i'm lost for words i just hope Jason & Andrew do the right thing, if this was business and a manager of a tech firm or real estate company was failing in the way Hurst is at the moment they would be out the door faster than he could say P45 so whats different here, why the silence, why the inaction from the directors

Come on guys, grow some balls and do the right thing

I think these directors will continue to back the current management team - as they don’t fear relegation - as they know the fans will get behind the team on the next promotion attempt at League 2!?

Quoted from Simon

I'm broken, don't know what to say i'm lost for words i just hope Jason & Andrew do the right thing, if this was business and a manager of a tech firm or real estate company was failing in the way Hurst is at the moment they would be out the door faster than he could say P45 so whats different here, why the silence, why the inaction from the directors

Come on guys, grow some balls and do the right thing

I’m broken as well mate, don’t know what to make of tonight. After the plucky effort on Saturday I was confident about tonight. Good defensive footballers suddenly don’t know what they are doing and probably now have little confidence in the man behind them - that never ends well without a change.

I was shocked to hear Croft’s on Humberside defending Hurst, saying he still had the dressing room and that that should be enough to see him through. How can that first half performance, the games before, our current league standing suggest he should keep his job? I think some believe Paul Is just too nice a bloke to be moved on. I can’t believe another club in the EFL would put up with this and especially with the overwhelming feeling of the fans attending.

After hearing Hurst's interview, I think it's highly likely that tonight will be his last game in charge. I had this niggling feeling that the owners would hold off, but he sounded almost like he's waiting for the chop.

Quoted from heppy88

I was shocked to hear Croft’s on Humberside defending Hurst, saying he still had the dressing room and that that should be enough to see him through. How can that first half performance, the games before, our current league standing suggest he should keep his job? I think some believe Paul Is just too nice a bloke to be moved on. I can’t believe another club in the EFL would put up with this and especially with the overwhelming feeling of the fans attending.

I thought it was a very fair/level headed assessment from Crofty. Now, you may disagree with him, but nothing really to be shocked at.

Quoted from davmariner

I thought it was a very fair/level headed assessment from Crofty. Now, you may disagree with him, but nothing really to be shocked at.

I guess I was shocked because I’m seeing these shocking home performances week in week out. He might come across as fair and level headed. But the reality is what his assessment based on? Just because he believes he has the dressing room does not excuse what we are witnessing on the pitch. How anyone can take any positives with what we are seeing and believes a manager should keep his position is baffling. Seriously how can any of us really take any positives from our current situation?

Quoted from davmariner

I thought it was a very fair/level headed assessment from Crofty. Now, you may disagree with him, but nothing really to be shocked at.

To be fair to Crofty he is excellent. He gives a real expert view on things that are going on and his analysis of the games is class.

he has got to go just for the two mistakes he made at the start of the year two realy crap keepers in

PH has been walking the plank for a few weeks now . I’m pretty sure the new owners or CEO will have been approached by a few agents regarding the position so would think they’ll have a shortlist ready .

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

PH has been walking the plank for a few weeks now . I’m pretty sure the new owners or CEO will have been approached by a few agents regarding the position so would think they’ll have a shortlist ready .

Tell you Fenty would be getting slaughtered by the fans at this stage it got toxic under Slade and that wasn't with a budget like we've wasted on sub standard players and coaches.
B Corp,Scotch Eggs and Diversity hold no interest for me I just want to see a decent home game with some passion. Fans forum due soon hmmmmmm

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Tell you Fenty would be getting slaughtered by the fans at this stage it got toxic under Slade and that wasn't with a budget like we've wasted on sub standard players and coaches.
B Corp,Scotch Eggs and Diversity hold no interest for me I just want to see a decent home game with some passion. Fans forum due soon hmmmmmm

They have credit in the bank , much like Hurst had .

But that credit won't last forever and they have their first tough decision to make  ; I mean Hurst going by that interview is seemingly almost  begging to be removed  and realises it's not good enough ; so surely they must know likewise .

Quoted from headingly_mariner

To be fair to Crofty he is excellent. He gives a real expert view on things that are going on and his analysis of the games is class.

He really does put the situation on the pitch into clear explanations. I appreciate him for this, Saturday for instance he pointed out towns frustrating possession....they put some good passing moves together then throw it away with a final scruffy pass.
Bang on.

One factor that is unspoken on here but presumambly is part of the owners decision making process at least in private is the cost of removing and replacing the manager and some at least of his back up team. I believe it’s been reported Hurst is on an 18months rolling contract. We can only guess what the others contract arrangements are. Then there are recruitment costs. Total cost guess £300k plus.. Anybody any better guesses?
Then there are the new players who a new manager will want and are unbudgeted and the cost of disposing of those trey don’t want.
Total must be £500k plus of in budgeted expenditure.
Is the money available ?
What impact does it have on other plans the club may have had and next seasons budget etc etc

Quoted from HerveJosse

One factor that is unspoken on here but presumambly is part of the owners decision making process at least in private is the cost of removing and replacing the manager and some at least of his back up team. I believe it’s been reported Hurst is on an 18months rolling contract. We can only guess what the others contract arrangements are. Then there are recruitment costs. Total cost guess £300k plus.. Anybody any better guesses?
Then there are the new players who a new manager will want and are in budgeted and the cost of disposing of those trey don’t want.
Total must be £500k plus of in budgeted expenditure.
Is the money available ?
What impact does it have on other plans the club may have had and next seasons budget etc etc

Every club changes the manager so if we don't because of budget restrictions then it will be beyond disappointing, if they feel that would be the best thing to do.

I've always got the impression they felt confident in Hurst because being an experienced manager they could just leave all the playing stuff in his competent hands whilst they got on with other things.

I'm not sure what else they have been working on but the playing side, the coaching and manager is obviously the number one priority.

Floating/new fans will only remain on board if they can see progress on the field regardless of anything else.

18-month rolling contract? You must be on fūcking crack. Who would ever hand out a contract where they’d have to pay up 18 months salary - to two employees - in the event the management needed sacking? That’s 3 years’ wages between the two.

What are these other recruitment costs? Advert on indeed.com & hire of a conference room for a day of interviews, maybe a tray of biscuits?

Granted they may end up having to have a chat with the bods at Insight 63, who helped with the initial takeover, but would be very surprised if that amounted to more than 5 figures.

Say you have to pay Hurst & Doig off, what’s that - £100k? If a new manager sticks 1000 on the gate 6 times in the remaining 15 home fixtures that pays for itself.

Quoted from ska face

18-month rolling contract? You must be on fūcking crack. Who would ever hand out a contract where they’d have to pay up 18 months salary - to two employees - in the event the management needed sacking? That’s 3 years’ wages between the two.

What are these other recruitment costs? Advert on indeed.com & hire of a conference room for a day of interviews, maybe a tray of biscuits?

Granted they may end up having to have a chat with the bods at Insight 63, who helped with the initial takeover, but would be very surprised if that amounted to more than 5 figures.

Say you have to pay Hurst & Doig off, what’s that - £100k? If a new manager sticks 1000 on the gate 6 times in the remaining 15 home fixtures that pays for itself.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.c.....contract-6309034.amp

No not crack just Jason and the Telewag

Twenty First Group was imposed upon Hurst but the next appointment will have them there from the outset and they'll be able to agree a data-based approach with suitable metrics and targets from the off.

Quoted from HerveJosse

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.c.....contract-6309034.amp

No not crack just Jason and the Telewag

I think it's just the final 12 months that are rolling, so it will cost us 12 months salary to get rid. I seem to recall that he signed "improved terms" in the summer but I assume the rolling aspect is still retained.

You can say bringing another manager in would be costly, but getting relegated again and not returning at the first time of asking would be far more costly. With a third of the season gone, I think it's safe to say that we currently find ourselves in a relegation scrap.

Quoted from HerveJosse

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.c.....contract-6309034.amp

No not crack just Jason and the Telewag

Hurst and Doig signed new contacts in September 2022 so anything in that article is out of date.

Contract lengths are irrelevant anyway. There’s usually a maximum compensation clause these days. And possible performance related aspects to contractual compensation too.

I’m sure Jason & Andrew will treat Paul & Chris with respect and fairness if/when their contracts are terminated.

Quoted from BraStrap

Twenty First Group was imposed upon Hurst but the next appointment will have them there from the outset and they'll be able to agree a data-based approach with suitable metrics and targets from the off.

Let's hope he has got some football management experience in amongst the metrics!

Quoted from HerveJosse

One factor that is unspoken on here but presumambly is part of the owners decision making process at least in private is the cost of removing and replacing the manager and some at least of his back up team. I believe it’s been reported Hurst is on an 18months rolling contract. We can only guess what the others contract arrangements are. Then there are recruitment costs. Total cost guess £300k plus.. Anybody any better guesses?
Then there are the new players who a new manager will want and are in budgeted and the cost of disposing of those trey don’t want.
Total must be £500k plus of in budgeted expenditure.
Is the money available ?
What impact does it have on other plans the club may have had and next seasons budget etc etc

Cheaper than relegation

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I think it's just the final 12 months that are rolling, so it will cost us 12 months salary to get rid. I seem to recall that he signed "improved terms" in the summer but I assume the rolling aspect is still retained.

You can say bringing another manager in would be costly, but getting relegated again and not returning at the first time of asking would be far more costly. With a third of the season gone, I think it's safe to say that we currently find ourselves in a relegation scrap.

There are break clauses in contracts. It'll be something like 2 months pay.

Quoted from Teestogreen

I think these directors will continue to back the current management team - as they don’t fear relegation - as they know the fans will get behind the team on the next promotion attempt at League 2!?

The vast majority of fans (all) want the team to do well and the new management to succeed. No matter how 1878 conducted itself financially, fans looked at the table first. It's not good.
In business, it is said "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity" Well in football a "new stadium/menu/kit/training facility is all vanity, points on the board is sanity"
PH leaving is just an adjustment, and GTFC will march on.  UTM

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Tell you Fenty would be getting slaughtered by the fans at this stage it got toxic under Slade and that wasn't with a budget like we've wasted on sub standard players and coaches.
B Corp,Scotch Eggs and Diversity hold no interest for me I just want to see a decent home game with some passion. Fans forum due soon hmmmmmm

Amen to this , this board seem beyond reproach in the eyes of many on here.

We have been served total shite at home since our return to league football, this in front of our largest intake of season ticket holders in a generation.

This board's silence speaks volumes and it appears from the outside looking in that they are rabbit in the headlights, let them prove me wrong and act decisively.

Can we just nip it in the bud that 'scotch eggs' and every other thing that gets thrown at 1878 when we lose doesn't come exclusively in isolation.

It's entirely possible we can have nice things off the pitch and nice things on the pitch at the same time.  The decision wasn't made that we would get better catering but intercourse the football side of things off.  

If you want to dig 1878 out for not making a decision, fine.  But veiled suggestions that the decision isn't made because they've got misaligned priorities is just wrong.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Can we just nip it in the bud that 'scotch eggs' and every other thing that gets thrown at 1878 when we lose doesn't come exclusively in isolation.

It's entirely possible we can have nice things off the pitch and nice things on the pitch at the same time.  The decision wasn't made that we would get better catering but intercourse the football side of things off.  

If you want to dig 1878 out for not making a decision, fine.  But veiled suggestions that the decision isn't made because they've got misaligned priorities is just wrong.

I'm telling them to concentrate on the football cos it's shite

Quoted from diehardmariner

Can we just nip it in the bud that 'scotch eggs' and every other thing that gets thrown at 1878 when we lose doesn't come exclusively in isolation.

It's entirely possible we can have nice things off the pitch and nice things on the pitch at the same time.  The decision wasn't made that we would get better catering but intercourse the football side of things off.  

If you want to dig 1878 out for not making a decision, fine.  But veiled suggestions that the decision isn't made because they've got misaligned priorities is just wrong.

Especially as the food at Blundell Park is franchised out to local businesses who I suspect are very happy to have the business opportunities our owners provide them with in these difficult times.

Quoted from Simon

I'm broken, don't know what to say i'm lost for words i just hope Jason & Andrew do the right thing, if this was business and a manager of a tech firm or real estate company was failing in the way Hurst is at the moment they would be out the door faster than he could say P45 so whats different here, why the silence, why the inaction from the directors

Come on guys, grow some balls and do the right thing

Not sure I can agree that the board need to 'grow a pair' - sacking the manager when results are poor and the fans have the knives out
is the easiest thing for them to do. Just reflect on how many managers have been sacked recently.

IMO it would require more "balls" from the board to decide they're going to stick with their chosen guy and show faith in him (to the
disgust of a majority of the fans).

The only other point I want to make is "we need to sack Hurst because we're heading for a relegation struggle if we don't" only appeals
if the new guy doesn't get us relegated. We might employ a new manager who gets us relegated.
The Hurst Out posts seem to assume we can guarantee L2 safety by appointing someone else. It ain't like that, though, is it?

Quoted from 137

Not sure I can agree that the board need to 'grow a pair' - sacking the manager when results are poor and the fans have the knives out
is the easiest thing for them to do. Just reflect on how many managers have been sacked recently.

IMO it would require more "balls" from the board to decide they're going to stick with their chosen guy and show faith in him (to the
disgust of a majority of the fans).

The only other point I want to make is "we need to sack Hurst because we're heading for a relegation struggle if we don't" only appeals
if the new guy doesn't get us relegated. We might employ a new manager who gets us relegated.
The Hurst Out posts seem to assume we can guarantee L2 safety by appointing someone else. It ain't like that, though, is it?

Fair point - most boards clamour to the fans after a handful of defeats these days . But the way they have stuck by Hurst is either extremely ballsy or extremely foolish ; I suppose if they continue to do so time will tell which one - I expected an announcement already tbh , there not being one suggests he may well get Doncaster . If he does (I don't think he should btw) you would hope those around PH remind him of what has made him successful previously and how he's said at least 4 times in the past he dislikes 3-5-2 .  

No doubt that changing manager isn't a guarantee of turning things around.

It has to be looked at objectively, the positives and negatives of whichever decision is decided upon.

But, again objectively, what is looking likely if we stick rather than twist?  Can you honestly say you think we're going to turn things around Hurst?  I'm out of belief that things will improve for us, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.  If I could, I would still be backing Hurst.

For me, I'm comfortable that we're not assured of improvement just by changing manager.  That's too easy.  It might mean we still struggle and indeed go down.  But I'll take that gamble of might and uncertainty because the alternative is only heading one way.

Quoted from 137

Not sure I can agree that the board need to 'grow a pair' - sacking the manager when results are poor and the fans have the knives out
is the easiest thing for them to do. Just reflect on how many managers have been sacked recently.

IMO it would require more "balls" from the board to decide they're going to stick with their chosen guy and show faith in him (to the
disgust of a majority of the fans).

The only other point I want to make is "we need to sack Hurst because we're heading for a relegation struggle if we don't" only appeals
if the new guy doesn't get us relegated. We might employ a new manager who gets us relegated.
The Hurst Out posts seem to assume we can guarantee L2 safety by appointing someone else. It ain't like that, though, is it?

I believe it was Macho Man Randy Savage who said “there’s one guarantee in life, that’s that there are no guarantees”. There’s risk in every decision we take in life; some are merely fraught with more jeopardy than others.

There are many case studies in football where changing the manager has had a huge positive impact, and others where it’s made no difference at all (or even made things worse). The best way to approach situations like this, and I believe the approach the owners will take, is to take a step back, put emotions to one side, and work through a series of logical questions.

1) What issues appear to be at the heart of our poor performance?

a) insufficient budget?
b) insufficient supporting infrastructure?
c) lack of player calibre in squad?
d) lack of depth in squad?
e) ineffective tactics and systems?
f) lack of player motivation?
g) squad disharmony?

2) What is the probability that the incumbent manager will soon bring about a significant turnaround in form, considering:

a) current trajectory of form
b) current trajectory of performances
c) the manager’s historic performance

3) What are the short-term financial implications of changing the manager (paying up contracts etc.), versus retaining him (impacts on gates etc.)?

4) Is there cause for sufficient confidence that we can attract a manager of appropriate calibre at this moment in time (on a smaller scale, replacing Max Crocombe with a better goalkeeper has been more difficult than anticipated)?

5) If we relieve the manager of his duties, what options do we have to replace him, and what evidence is there that each given shortlisted candidate will sufficiently address the issues identified in question 1?

—

Stockwood has previously spoken of succession planning, but that was very much based on the notion of other clubs coming in for Hurst, not us having to remove him. That we find ourselves facing this dilemma has caught most of us off guard, as it will the board too, I am sure. The context is very different, and our reversion to “struggling Grimsby” is a much more difficult sell than the “revitalised and resurgent Grimsby” image we had seemingly restored back in May.

Personally, when I work through these questions in a calm and considered manner, I reach the same conclusion that I reached in the heat of the moment last night: that a change is necessary. However, Jason, Andrew and Debbie will have much greater insight as to the answers to questions 4 and 5 and what the general perception of the club is currently like within the game.

No guarantees whatever we do, but not acting at this time is an even bigger call than acting, imo.

Quoted from Poojah

I believe it was Macho Man Randy Savage who said “there’s one guarantee in life, that’s that there are no guarantees”.

He also believed he could rap too.  Trust me, he couldn't.

I'm still not sure why some think Hurst is the man to dig us out of a relegation battle when he failed last time? The EFL is too much for him. that much is clear.

Quoted from Poojah

I believe it was Macho Man Randy Savage who said “there’s one guarantee in life, that’s that there are no guarantees”. There’s risk in every decision we take in life; some are merely fraught with more jeopardy than others.

There are many case studies in football where changing the manager has had a huge positive impact, and others where it’s made no difference at all (or even made things worse). The best way to approach situations like this, and I believe the approach the owners will take, is to take a step back, put emotions to one side, and work through a series of logical questions.

1) What issues appear to be at the heart of our poor performance?

a) insufficient budget?
b) insufficient supporting infrastructure?
c) lack of player calibre in squad?
d) lack of depth in squad?
e) ineffective tactics and systems?
f) lack of player motivation?
g) squad disharmony?

2) What is the probability that the incumbent manager will soon bring about a significant turnaround in form, considering:

a) current trajectory of form
b) current trajectory of performances
c) the manager’s historic performance

3) What are the short-term financial implications of changing the manager (paying up contracts etc.), versus retaining him (impacts on gates etc.)?

4) Is there cause for sufficient confidence that we can attract a manager of appropriate calibre at this moment in time (on a smaller scale, replacing Max Crocombe with a better goalkeeper has been more difficult than anticipated)?

5) If we relieve the manager of his duties, what options do we have to replace him, and what evidence is there that each given shortlisted candidate will sufficiently address the issues identified in question 1?

—

Stockwood has previously spoken of succession planning, but that was very much based on the notion of other clubs coming in for Hurst, not us having to remove him. That we find ourselves facing this dilemma has caught most of us off guard, as it will the board too, I am sure. The context is very different, and our reversion to “struggling Grimsby” is a much more difficult sell than the “revitalised and resurgent Grimsby” image we had seemingly restored back in May.

Personally, when I work through these questions in a calm and considered manner, I reach the same conclusion that I reached in the heat of the moment last night: that a change is necessary. However, Jason, Andrew and Debbie will have much greater insight as to the answers to questions 4 and 5 and what the general perception of the club is currently like within the game.

No guarantees whatever we do, but not acting at this time is an even bigger call than acting, imo.

4/5) It's difficult to know what the criteria for a new manager is : Short term fix (stay up at all costs) move on . Or someone that fits within their long term vision - I'm not sure it's viable for a manager to stay at a club long term these days , I mean Hurst has done well as maybe 3 years (12th longest serving manager or something like that) is classed as long term ? In that most clubs seem to turn managers over every 6 months to a year, 2 if they are lucky .

Quoted from Mappers

4/5) It's difficult to know what the criteria for a new manager is : Short term fix (stay up at all costs) move on . Or someone that fits within their long term vision - I'm not sure it's viable for a manager to stay at a club long term these days , I mean Hurst has done well as maybe 3 years (12th longest serving manager or something like that) is classed as long term ? In that most clubs seem to turn managers over every 6 months to a year, 2 if they are lucky .

If there is a vacancy we need to get the best football man in that we can afford, not whether he attaches any significance to "our values."

B Corp is something the chairman believes in,  which aligns with his political views but most prospective managers will never have heard of it nor want to so as long as he ticks the football boxes and is highly regarded in the game and is happy to come then leave it at that. Invariably it is a shortish term anyway as you point out.

Quoted from Poojah

I believe it was Macho Man Randy Savage who said “there’s one guarantee in life, that’s that there are no guarantees”. There’s risk in every decision we take in life; some are merely fraught with more jeopardy than others.

There are many case studies in football where changing the manager has had a huge positive impact, and others where it’s made no difference at all (or even made things worse). The best way to approach situations like this, and I believe the approach the owners will take, is to take a step back, put emotions to one side, and work through a series of logical questions.

1) What issues appear to be at the heart of our poor performance?

a) insufficient budget?
b) insufficient supporting infrastructure?
c) lack of player calibre in squad?
d) lack of depth in squad?
e) ineffective tactics and systems?
f) lack of player motivation?
g) squad disharmony?

2) What is the probability that the incumbent manager will soon bring about a significant turnaround in form, considering:

a) current trajectory of form
b) current trajectory of performances
c) the manager’s historic performance

3) What are the short-term financial implications of changing the manager (paying up contracts etc.), versus retaining him (impacts on gates etc.)?

4) Is there cause for sufficient confidence that we can attract a manager of appropriate calibre at this moment in time (on a smaller scale, replacing Max Crocombe with a better goalkeeper has been more difficult than anticipated)?

5) If we relieve the manager of his duties, what options do we have to replace him, and what evidence is there that each given shortlisted candidate will sufficiently address the issues identified in question 1?

—

Stockwood has previously spoken of succession planning, but that was very much based on the notion of other clubs coming in for Hurst, not us having to remove him. That we find ourselves facing this dilemma has caught most of us off guard, as it will the board too, I am sure. The context is very different, and our reversion to “struggling Grimsby” is a much more difficult sell than the “revitalised and resurgent Grimsby” image we had seemingly restored back in May.

Personally, when I work through these questions in a calm and considered manner, I reach the same conclusion that I reached in the heat of the moment last night: that a change is necessary. However, Jason, Andrew and Debbie will have much greater insight as to the answers to questions 4 and 5 and what the general perception of the club is currently like within the game.

No guarantees whatever we do, but not acting at this time is an even bigger call than acting, imo.

A stonefaced Pettit, just a few seats to my left last night seemed as disbelieving as the rest of us.
Your analysis is positively Shakespearian.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/303784-there-is-a-tide-in-the-affairs-of-men-which[b][/b]

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Hurst and Doig signed new contacts in September 2022 so anything in that article is out of date.

Contract lengths are irrelevant anyway. There’s usually a maximum compensation clause these days. And possible performance related aspects to contractual compensation too.

I’m sure Jason & Andrew will treat Paul & Chris with respect and fairness if/when their contracts are terminated.

Paul Hurst and any other of the player management team should be treated the same as all the other loyal staff that have been got rid of.

Quoted from HerveJosse

One factor that is unspoken on here but presumambly is part of the owners decision making process at least in private is the cost of removing and replacing the manager and some at least of his back up team. I believe it’s been reported Hurst is on an 18months rolling contract. We can only guess what the others contract arrangements are. Then there are recruitment costs. Total cost guess £300k plus.. Anybody any better guesses?
Then there are the new players who a new manager will want and are unbudgeted and the cost of disposing of those trey don’t want.
Total must be £500k plus of in budgeted expenditure.
Is the money available ?
What impact does it have on other plans the club may have had and next seasons budget etc etc

The board should take a look at Hurst's league record, P 15 and won 3 and 1 against a better Barrow side. The home displays, Gillingham apart, have been dire and we are looking at relegation in the face. 1/3 of the games have gone and we need some stability pretty dam quick. The above costs are petty and trivial when compared to a drop back into the NL. ST's will fall and the club will be left with players still having 2 years left on there contracts with decreased gates.

The time for them to act is now.

Quoted from Croxton

A stonefaced Pettit, just a few seats to my left last night seemed as disbelieving as the rest of us.
Your analysis is positively Shakespearian.

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Probably wishing he had continued the family business instead .

Quoted from Mappers

Probably wishing he had continued the family business instead .

He might be thinking of going back - in these days of staff shortages he might have identified a few suitable candidates for employment on the pitch over the last few weeks…

Quoted from DB

The board should take a look at Hurst's league record, P 15 and won 3 and 1 against a better Barrow side. The home displays, Gillingham apart, have been dire and we are looking at relegation in the face. 1/3 of the games have gone and we need some stability pretty dam quick. The above costs are petty and trivial when compared to a drop back into the NL. ST's will fall and the club will be left with players still having 2 years left on there contracts with decreased gates.

The time for them to act is now.

It’s not a binary decision though is it sack him take the financial hit and stay up . There is also
1 sack him take the hit and go down anyway and start non league with an extra financial hole
2 Don’t sack him stay up and don’t take the financial hit.
Welcome to the real world of football club ownership

Quoted from HerveJosse

It’s not a binary decision though is it sack him take the financial hit and stay up . There is also
1 sack him take the hit and go down anyway and start non league with an extra financial hole
2 Don’t sack him stay up and don’t take the financial hit.
Welcome to the real world of football club ownership

Or do nothing leave him in situ and hope he pulls the club round!

Quoted from DB

Or do nothing leave him in situ and hope he pulls the club round!

Er that was 2

Quoted from Mappers

Probably wishing he had continued the family business instead .

Sausages are probably a better bet then private equity commercial property now borrowing is no longer free and values have fallen 30-40 percent

Quoted from Mappers

They have credit in the bank , much like Hurst had .

But that credit won't last forever and they have their first tough decision to make  ; I mean Hurst going by that interview is seemingly almost  begging to be removed  and realises it's not good enough ; so surely they must know likewise .

They had their first tough decision to make in their first season when we had that slump, they stuck with the manager and it paid off.

They've probably already had their second tough decision too when they have stuck with him so far this season when most would have sacked him, almost certainly after Accrington.

So far it's definitely not paid off. My total guess is they wanted to give him 3 more games until the fortnight long league break after the Donny game. He's already lost two and I think they now have to make another tough decision earlier than they wanted as the situation has deteriorated still further.