21st Group data analysis.

I wonder what the Data and Stats will tell us if we lose to Stockport this Saturday (not that we will lose)  and Forest Green R win at Mansfield (not that they will win)?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

You never see any rich gamblers either who pour over form and data endlessly and still make the wrong choice.

Actually there are some rich gamblers but they have to be in the minority or the gambling industry wouldn’t exist. Bookies set the odds. Good enough to get people interested but hedged enough to ensure they get their cut over all of the games they offer.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

A good recent example is our play off success. All the data up to February would tell you we would finish mid table. The stats would tell you to change the manager.

I would argue the stats would have told us we would make the playoffs, not finish mid-table, and stick with the manager. Anything can happen from that point…and it did.

That was a tricky run that included Notts Co (x2), Halifax (x2), Dag & Red, Chesterfield, Solihull, Bromley, Wrexham etc. There were easier fixtures to come so the stats and predictors would have shown we were likely to finish in the top 7.

Our stats were still decent, even during that poor run. We just had no luck at all and conceded late goals, losing by the odd goal here and there.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

What about the millions poured into Brentford and Brighton? Did they turn to data when they were wallowing in the lower leagues or did investment start their renaissance? Things seem so much easier when you are on the up.

If we were using data effectively we wouldn't have Hurst as the manager would we, given his disappointing stats in the EFL?

It's a minefield sure enough, even if the data has context, whether it is being interpreted correctly and whether the people at the coal face are coming to the right conclusion, commonly called an educated guess.

They've got considerably more millions because they pick out relative unknowns like Caceido and Macallister and sell them for a combined £150 million. The more educated you are the less of a guess it is and information/data is part of that education. They won't have signed either without looking at them extensively but they might never have looked at either without the data. If data is pointless then let's not look at appearances, goals scored, age or height.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

I would argue the stats would have told us we would make the playoffs, not finish mid-table, and stick with the manager. Anything can happen from that point…and it did.

That was a tricky run that included Notts Co (x2), Halifax (x2), Dag & Red, Chesterfield, Solihull, Bromley, Wrexham etc. There were easier fixtures to come so the stats and predictors would have shown we were likely to finish in the top 7.

Our stats were still decent, even during that poor run. We just had no luck at all and conceded late goals, losing by the odd goal here and there.

Eh? We go 13 games without a win and the stats told us at the time we would make the playoffs?

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

I would argue the stats would have told us we would make the playoffs, not finish mid-table, and stick with the manager. Anything can happen from that point…and it did.

That was a tricky run that included Notts Co (x2), Halifax (x2), Dag & Red, Chesterfield, Solihull, Bromley, Wrexham etc. There were easier fixtures to come so the stats and predictors would have shown we were likely to finish in the top 7.

Our stats were still decent, even during that poor run. We just had no luck at all and conceded late goals, losing by the odd goal here and there.

Stockwood has specifically said the data at the time showed our performances during the losing spell were little different to those that had been winning matches before. In other words the data behind the obvious (results) gave weight to the notion of sticking with the manager and it would turn. They did and it did.

Of course the performance data right now could well show that we are worse compared to last season say, despite extra investment. In that case the answer to the managerial question might be different now.

Quoted from GrimPol

I wonder what the Data and Stats will tell us if we lose to Stockport this Saturday (not that we will lose)  and Forest Green R win at Mansfield (not that they will win)?

Well this is the point isn't it?

The 21st group can't lose can they? They give their findings based on the current data, and then they update it as real time results come in and then give us new predictions based on that. Wow! What insight.

Remember  the old saying that when the US sneezes, the UK catches cold. So much of this stats driven info came from the US where American football and baseball are obsessed with numbers. To a degree stats make it easier for both the clubs and the media. You don’t have to think because ‘look’ it’s all there in the stats.

Do they help? Possibly in given circumstances. But managers and fans know when their team is playing poorly, and you cannot measure confidence or lack of form by stats.

Somebody really has a dislike for statistics.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Eh? We go 13 games without a win and the stats told us at the time we would make the playoffs?

Exactly.

Based on the results we would have sacked him.

Based on the stats we would have kept him.

Based on the results, stats and eye test combined, it was best to stick with him. It worked, however fortuitously people think that was achieved.

Stats and data aren’t perfect but haven’t you just contradicted your own argument?