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Quoted from 141269

Total double standards and not representative of true fans.

Don’t think they’d ever claim to be.

Whatever “true fans” are…

Quoted from 141269

True fans for me is the majority here who pay their money week in week out to support a team that's embedded into their hearts.

They do this through thick and thin.

They might voice an opinion but do so devoid of making personal slurs on individuals.
I don't believe not performing to your full potential warrants being called "thick as excrement"

Unfortunately, I live over in Northern Ireland now and like many exiles, would love to watch town more but for differing circumstances (usually money) I for one cant. I’ve watched town up and town the country, been with 48 other fans in treacherous rain to watch a 0-0 at Hartlepool, travelled 150 miles  out of my way to go and watch the squad training at Warwick university (because it was sort of close!) been to as many matches as I possibly could when I lived in England and pulled ‘sickies’ like many others just to watch town play.

I don’t think it makes me any less of a ‘true fan’ just because I can’t go every week!

Quoted from 141269

Regular listener and was actually dreading tonight's episode as it was always going to be a rant but.....

Back end of the episode Alex makes a big thing about being respectful about opinions towards people.

That's after he said the manager is "talking excrement" and said the "players are as thick as fornication"

Total double standards and not representative of true fans.

Really disappointing.

I mean, firstly, massively flattered that you decided to create an account on the fishy just to complain about me.

You could always come and talk to me on Twitter or join, the show live rather than clogging up an unrelated board about it. The Podcast is excrement thread was a couple of months ago they don’t need another.

I do think you’ve got this wrong though. I wasn’t talking about respecting one another. I was talking about respecting Paul Hurst and if you think his time is up that can be done with a handshake a thanks for the memories and not questioning his abilities as a manager or worse.

I do think we’re playing pretty thick at the moment but I didn’t pick anyone out for that and did it as a collective. I don’t mind you disagreeing it’s all about opinions but don’t like being misrepresented.

Happy to have a chat on my Twitter or on the pod email but I won’t get involved in personal abuse with someone behind an anonymous account.

UTM

Where's this true/real fans thing crept in from?

Pretty sure it's a relatively new thing.  First of all it was the 'well you don't go to games so you can't have an opinion' angle and then over the weekend it seems to be that you're not a real or true fan if you've got a critical opinion.  Same with this Happy Clapper thing.  Why are we so obsessed with creating a divide?

We're all bloody true fans, last time I checked I was real too.  The majority of us support the club we were born near and/or were unfortunate enough to be dragged to a game by a parent/other family member/neighbour who wanted to inflict a lifetime of pain on us as punishment for treading on their flowerbed.

There isn't one of us who looked at the league table and thought, hmmm Grimsby. Yeah, they look loaded and will win more games than not.  Bet I can get a duvet set for Xmas too from Argos.  You can't get more real than supporting a side that has spent far more of its history being utterly excrement than remotely decent.  

It doesn't matter on the opinion.  We're all entitled to it.  I think some people do cross the line with personal abuse and insults.  I don't like it but I think it's more because it's emotive than anything else, either way I'd prefer it didn't happen.  But it doesn't mean anyone dishing it out isn't a fan, surely because they are so emotive it's a reflection of how much they care.  

Equally so it doesn't matter how many games you watch or if you watch the bulk via iFollow, listening on Humberside, following text updates on Twitter...everyone has different circumstances.  It was only during the Covid season that I realised how hard it is to follow Town from, what effectively was, afar.  Without having that fortnightly trip to see the game in person, my interest really dwindled.  I wasn't alone in this either.  My Dad has been going for 60years + and whilst there's naturally less 'fun' in watching it on TV than in person I was really surprised how he would happily find an excuse to do something else than watch iFollow.  That was for one season.  How the hell people find the enthusiasm for Town when we're largely so disappointing and they don't get that physical connection with the club I'll never know.

We're all true fans.  Please, let's knock this idea on the head that some are better than others and therefore their views carry more weight.

Quoted from 141269

Regular listener and was actually dreading tonight's episode as it was always going to be a rant but.....

Back end of the episode Alex makes a big thing about being respectful about opinions towards people.

That's after he said the manager is "talking excrement" and said the "players are as thick as fornication"

Total double standards and not representative of true fans.

Really disappointing.

Any podcast is made up of individual people with individual opinions. I have my say on here and elsewhere and I don’t claim to represent the wider supporter base.

DN35 from what I’ve heard welcome feedback and messages so every opinion can be voiced if someone puts it forward.

And PH did talk shite on Humberside after game and he’s naive to try and dress that up as a game we were the better side in until the 72nd minute. He should have just given a bland non-answer answer.

Quoted from 141269

Regular listener and was actually dreading tonight's episode as it was always going to be a rant but.....

Back end of the episode Alex makes a big thing about being respectful about opinions towards people.

That's after he said the manager is "talking excrement" and said the "players are as thick as fornication"

Total double standards and not representative of true fans.

Really disappointing.

Oh and I heard a significant number of “real fans” in the ground on Saturday shouting for Hurst to be sacked. And I didn’t hear anybody attempting to shout them down and give vocal support to Hurst.

So what exactly is the opinion of the “real fans”?

You'd think that moving out of Grimsby yet still being completely obsessed with town when there's countless other things you could be doing with your time instead would make you a "true fan". Get in the sea with this "you're only a true fan if you're there every week" drivel FFS.

What on earth is a true fan? Anyone that chooses to supper a club like town, ether they go week in week out or twice a year is a true fan…nobody picks to support clubs like town, or anyone outside of the premier league to some degree unless you’re a true fan.

We have a minority that go literally every game, are they the only the fans then? Ironically, I know a couple and they’re firmly in the Hurst in camp so if the argument is true fans know it’s time for him to go, once again it’s just cobblers.

For some people choosing to have money in their pocket to supper their families etc is most definitely their priority, doesn’t make them any less of a fan.

Same as if you believe that sacking a manager isn’t a solution, that doesn’t impede your ability to be a fan or supporter.

This nonsense always comes to the top when fans get arsey with the manager, like it’s actually important🙄

I didn’t miss a game during that ill-fated season back in 09-10, it was by far the worst season ever witnessed with by far the worst squad, I wish I’d not seen a thing…does that make me less of a fan Becauee if I had my time again I’d have missed every game of that flipping embarrassing moment in our history? Again though, ironically, I saw more aggression and vitriol from these true fans on Saturday than I did at any point that season, or at any point directed at the former moron that owned the club. Weird eh?

Back to the point, if you don’t like podcasts, don’t flipping listen, pretty simple really isn’t it…

Maybe there’s a difference between being a fan and being a supporter.

Sometimes I feel that a fan is exactly what he/she is supposed to be. Someone that is fanatical about a team, even though they are limited in their ability to attend games regularly. Perhaps an occasional supporter, who unfortunately can’t now be a regular because of limited funds, work patterns or living too far away.

Whereas a supporter is someone who regularly attends games, spending not insignificant amounts of money to support their team whilst also being a fan.

I don’t think we should differentiate between those though in terms of their entitlement to an opinion.
The DN35 panel in my eyes, consists of fans and supporters. Their views are equally interesting to listen to on occasions, and relevant.

Best wishes
Dale
Spender of £2760 per annum on home game tickets each season, and therefore both a fan and a supporter.

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Spender of £2760 per annum on home game tickets each season, and therefore both a fan and a supporter.

oooh somebody fetch the medal!

Be a long week this if we’re making a distinction between fans & supporters before breakfast on Tuesday. Roll on the weekend ffs.

Quoted from DaleH

Maybe there’s a difference between being a fan and being a supporter.

Sometimes I feel that a fan is exactly what he/she is supposed to be. Someone that is fanatical about a team, even though they are limited in their ability to attend games regularly. Perhaps an occasional supporter, who can’t now be a regular because of limited funds, work patterns or living too far away.

Whereas a supporter is someone who regularly attends games, spending not insignificant amounts of money to support their team whilst also being a fan.

I don’t think we should differentiate between those though in terms of their entitlement to an opinion.
The DN35 panel on my eyes, consists of fans and supporters. Their views are equally interesting to listen to on occasions.

Best wishes
Dale
Spender of £2760 per annum on home game tickets each season, and therefore both a fan and a supporter.

Ooo good for you. There’s many real fans who would love to be able to afford to spend that amount.

That was a particularly vulgar comment.

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Ooo good for you. There’s many real fans who would love to be able to afford to spend that amount.

That was a particularly vulgar comment.

No it wasn’t vulgar at all. Quite the opposite infact. Like many I spend thousands of pounds every season to support our football club. The point demonstrates that members of my family that attend games at great expense, are no more entitled to have an opinion than those who for whatever reason are not able to attend. And the point was also in relevance and context of the original post about the DN35 Podcast.

I am sure that Alex spent many years and many pounds on supporting Town at Blundell Park, before his life and his livelihood took him away to live elsewhere. An elsewhere that no longer enables him to attend home games with the frequency with which he would like. So, the club is now supported financially by Alex today, a lot less than it was previously. But his love for the club as a fan is now no less than it was when he lived in the area and attended more games. And so he is no less entitled to have an opinion. Ask yourselves how many armchair fans of big Premier League clubs that hardly if ever, go to see them play at their home grounds? Ask yourself how often our new owners were able to attend home games prior to buying the club, because they now no longer live in the area? That didn't make them any less of a fan. We should all be grateful for our fan base, no matter where they are located and no matter of how frequently they are at Blundell Park putting cash in the tills.

If you support Town, then you are a fan plain and simple in my eyes.

It doesn't matter how many times you visit Blundell Park, whether you live in Grimsby or another country, if you have chosen Town as your team that's good enough for me.

I rarely go these day for varying reasons although I was there on Saturday and I will be at Donny, I used to have a season ticket back in the Division 1 days but I am lucky if I make more than 7 or 8 games a year now. Not ideal, but that's life and it doesn't stop me watching on iPlayer or at the very least following the score and text commentary.

Lets face it a club like ours, there aren't all that many of us, so I don't agree with chewing people out because they aren't as active as you.

All opinions are valid, everyone is entitled whether you agree with that man or you think he's talking tosh, that's the beauty of it, you don't have to agree with it.

DN35 is a good listen, and again as pointed out if you don't agree with what is being said, have a debate, put your point across to them.

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oooh somebody fetch the medal!

Be a long week this if we’re making a distinction between fans & supporters before breakfast on Tuesday. Roll on the weekend ffs.

I went to every single match home and away of the disastrous 2003/04 season and didn’t leave a single game early.

This included…
Hartlepool 8-1 Grimsby
Oldham 6-0 Grimsby
Port Vale 5-1 Grimsby
Wycombe 4-1 Grimsby
Brighton 3-0 Grimsby
Wrexham 3-0 Grimsby
Q.P.R. 3-0 Grimsby
Rushden & Diamonds 3-1 Grimsby
Notts County 3-1 Grimsby

So clearly I’m the truest fan out of the lot of you. Narrowly ahead of GranthamMariner who only missed the Peterborough away match in the FA Cup that season.

On a more serious note, we’re all fans whether you go to every game or have to pick and choose.

I'm not commenting much atm as it seems we are going around in circles on here a bit , it is heading towards toxic levels towards Hurst by some I think and I'm not sure for a higher number now it is even salvagable at this point is it ?

I'm still quite confused as to how this situation has come about tbh going from a team that in the main that we all knew what we would get week in week out , to looking the ultimate contradiction to that ; players have always been recruited with good character as one of ,if not the most important characteristic been just that . Maybe it's harsh to purely say on the whole we have less about us in this way ; maybe it's down to lack of confidence or/and the combination of the players being wrong ; I'm just not sure .

But some are now looking like players who have a recent relegation on their CV and that's probably our biggest worry - if they completely 'go' we could be in some mess .

I can't see Stockwood & Pettit getting rid of Hurst unless we lose say the next 3 and then his position would be untenable really .

The sad thing is now even though I have always been a big Hurst fan I have completely gone in my support of him , grind out a few results and it still won't be entertaining football at home will it ; and I'm at the point were my feelings are it's just drawing out the process for months or even years , with us probably not going anywhere fast .


I would (and I don't like to say it ) rather see us get pumped 3 or 4 games in a row so there isn't a route out of the decision .

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I went to every single match home and away of the disastrous 2003/04 season and didn’t leave a single game early.

This included…
Hartlepool 8-1 Grimsby
Oldham 6-0 Grimsby
Port Vale 5-1 Grimsby
Wycombe 4-1 Grimsby
Brighton 3-0 Grimsby
Wrexham 3-0 Grimsby
Q.P.R. 3-0 Grimsby
Rushden & Diamonds 3-1 Grimsby
Notts County 3-1 Grimsby

So clearly I’m the truest fan out of the lot of you. Narrowly ahead of GranthamMariner who only missed the Peterborough away match in the FA Cup that season.

On a more serious note, we’re all fans whether you go to every game or have to pick and choose.

Those results…Wowzers. flipping hell, this lot moaning don’t know they’re born…

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Where's this true/real fans thing crept in from?

Pretty sure it's a relatively new thing.  First of all it was the 'well you don't go to games so you can't have an opinion' angle and then over the weekend it seems to be that you're not a real or true fan if you've got a critical opinion.  Same with this Happy Clapper thing.  Why are we so obsessed with creating a divide?

We're all bloody true fans, last time I checked I was real too.  The majority of us support the club we were born near and/or were unfortunate enough to be dragged to a game by a parent/other family member/neighbour who wanted to inflict a lifetime of pain on us as punishment for treading on their flowerbed.

There isn't one of us who looked at the league table and thought, hmmm Grimsby. Yeah, they look loaded and will win more games than not.  Bet I can get a duvet set for Xmas too from Argos.  You can't get more real than supporting a side that has spent far more of its history being utterly excrement than remotely decent.  

It doesn't matter on the opinion.  We're all entitled to it.  I think some people do cross the line with personal abuse and insults.  I don't like it but I think it's more because it's emotive than anything else, either way I'd prefer it didn't happen.  But it doesn't mean anyone dishing it out isn't a fan, surely because they are so emotive it's a reflection of how much they care.  

Equally so it doesn't matter how many games you watch or if you watch the bulk via iFollow, listening on Humberside, following text updates on Twitter...everyone has different circumstances.  It was only during the Covid season that I realised how hard it is to follow Town from, what effectively was, afar.  Without having that fortnightly trip to see the game in person, my interest really dwindled.  I wasn't alone in this either.  My Dad has been going for 60years + and whilst there's naturally less 'fun' in watching it on TV than in person I was really surprised how he would happily find an excuse to do something else than watch iFollow.  That was for one season.  How the hell people find the enthusiasm for Town when we're largely so disappointing and they don't get that physical connection with the club I'll never know.

We're all true fans.  Please, let's knock this idea on the head that some are better than others and therefore their views carry more weight.

Perhaps we should start a True Fan Test with grading stars (fishes). A 5 Fish True Fan, can stand in the Pontoon, in a T shirt only, in January showing off their tats with "Grimsby 'til I Die" in a heart. Drink a pint of Hot Bovril without gagging, and recite all the away stadiums in he/she visited in alphabetical order. To the OAP who started coming since he was a lad with his dad, and still thinks Bill Shankly is the manager because he's a bit confused. 1 Fish because he never bought from the Shop and still wears the scarf his Granny knitted for him all those years ago.
We should be ashamed to even discuss this. But put me down as Half a Fish Fan.

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Those results…Wowzers. flipping hell, this lot moaning don’t know they’re born…

Ha but it was all Fentys fault back then.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I went to every single match home and away of the disastrous 2003/04 season and didn’t leave a single game early.

This included…
Hartlepool 8-1 Grimsby
Oldham 6-0 Grimsby
Port Vale 5-1 Grimsby
Wycombe 4-1 Grimsby
Brighton 3-0 Grimsby
Wrexham 3-0 Grimsby
Q.P.R. 3-0 Grimsby
Rushden & Diamonds 3-1 Grimsby
Notts County 3-1 Grimsby

So clearly I’m the truest fan out of the lot of you. Narrowly ahead of GranthamMariner who only missed the Peterborough away match in the FA Cup that season.

On a more serious note, we’re all fans whether you go to every game or have to pick and choose.

I went to those first 2 - awful , I'm sure the Oldham game was free or something so a massive crowd in ?

All,

The ethos of my post has kind of been lost by what appears to be the inclusion of the word "true" in my original post and has now become more a debate over what a true fan is or isnt.  
I apologise to all who may have been offended or seen my post as being questioning of you.  It wasn't.  We are all fans and/or supporters

My original post was more about highlitghting what I perceived as poor behaviour.  We are told to call things out and there are multiple campaigns around such issues, even prior to kick off we are reminded of our responsibilites.  
That's what I did, call out bad behaviour in calling players "this as ****" or saying somebody (manager) is "talking ***"

Alex has kindly replied and opens trying to use humour which to me only makes the matter worse.  Yes I created an account because I felt compelled to highlight the behaviour in the hope others may agree that a line was crossed.  I could have done this one on one and maybe I should have but it would then be easy to delete my message and ignore it.

I don't believe that anything should be posted here that you wouldn't say to somebody's face and I doubt anybody would say those things to the manager of players directly.  
To say it was said collectively about the players doesn't make a difference, you are still talking to 11 players, less when you narrow it down to the point Alex made at the time.  
At the end of the day the players are doing their job.  How would it feel if an individual posted about you or your work colleagues saying you are as "thick as ****"

We are all entitled to an opinion.  Whilst I don't agree with the managers team selection or post match comments I can only be rational and say he know's better than me.  He's more qualified, knows the players, sees them on the training ground etc..  What he sees on the pitch differs from what I see.  
What I don't do is then vent in public.  It's unhealthy.  
The players read and hear things and at a time they are probably low on confidence don't need to be told they are as "thick as ****"

I'm a fan of DN35 and the lads and lasses do a great job 99% of the time but I'm afraid on this one occasion I felt the line was crossed.

Sorry guys but you’re only a true Town fan if you spent 90 mins on a Saturday afternoon in the early 80’s refreshing teletext page 117 every 30 seconds. Just to see if we had scored !!!
(Anyone under the age of 50 probably haven’t got a clue what I’m on about ) !!!

As a guy in his late 30s that doesn't live in Grimsby/Cleethorpes anymore, has a wife, a kid, social life and other interests, it's very difficult for me to be a 'true fan' despite being completely obsessed about GTFC for as long as i can remember.

Can someone (Golly?) graph out age of Fishy poster vs desire to change manager?

There will be plenty of outliers (Ginny, whilst young at heart, is over 50?) but I would imagine the younger posters are generally more agreeable to Hurst staying.

Although I don’t know what the results would prove? It could be argued that us millennials have experienced more of the crap years relative to better times and are more conditioned to failure / are realistic (delete as applicable).

Well, I was quite keen not to get into all this but I'm afraid I think your characterisation of what Alex said is wrong and misrepresents the point he was making entirely.

Firstly, I could not actually recall the conversation so had to go back and listen. (I think I was checking the Rugby score and not listening to Alex at the time - hopefully we can keep that between us all here and not tell him I'd stopped listening to him 😂)

I’ve listened to the bit to which you refer and from what I can tell the phrase he used regards Hurst's interview was 'talking out his a***'. Now context and nuance is usually quite important in all things despite it being the first thing to disappear in most discussions - what does the phrase mean? Talking nonsense or rubbish, which I do not think is a remotely controversial point in the slightest.

As a big 'Hurst in' advocate over many years I would fully agree that some of what he said after the game was complete rubbish. You seem to say that this is in some way abusive?  Again I do not accept that at all, you may disagree with the phrasing, that is fine, but the point stands that I think it's quite accurate.

It's a phrase I use quite regularly and I am sure many others do, I use it with friends and family and I do not think that immediately makes me or others that use it 'abusive'. To reach such a conclusion you'd have to consider the intent and the context. Now given Alex's support of Paul over the years and that he then went on to make a strong and passionate point about how you can believe it is time for a change without been disrespectful to Hurst, his abilities or infact what he's achieved at the club would lead you to maybe suspect you have read more into the comment than was intended.

As for the players "being thick as f***" I think he actually was making a wider point about how they must come across to an opposition defending against them. Again that’s a question of language and phrasing - Paul Hurst has said several times that at times we need to be smarter or play more cleverly. Is this not the exact same point, phrased in a more PC way? I said in the same section Waterfall made a silly challange - silly/stupid/thick?

Football is a game that's all about opinions and a level of passion, you are free to disagree and put your view across, which you have done and I respect that. Screaming these phrases in someone’s face or saying it in a calm manner completely changes the context - so do not agree someone would not say this directly to a player/manager, but how you did would be the key to what bracket it falls under. So I just completely, but respectfully, disagree with your characterisation of his comments. For what it is worth, I am quite happy to say I quite often talk out my bottom, but it is an opinion open to challenge.

I also do not think any of us have ever pretended to speak for anyone else than ourselves, so I don't quite get the 'true fans' angle. Other than myself and Alex, who live south of London, the rest of the Pod team I believe are ST holders.

What I also think is wrong in the above post is how you seemingly start to link what was said to campaigns around responsibilities of reporting certain behaviours - we all know what those types of campaigns and messages are about and I think it’s regrettable to even remotely try and put it into a similar context. We have a long record of calling any of that sort of thing out. However fans have a right to an opinion and a right for that to be critical if warranted.

The podcast is a group of mates that try and discuss Town the way many of us would if we were at home, in the pub or having a beer at half time. Does that mean we swear? Yes. Does that mean we put things in a more blunt way than if you were on the fans forum? Yes. I don’t think what Alex said is any different from what many fans will have said over the last few weeks.

Anyway hopefully we can draw a line under all this, I appreciate your opinion and here’s hoping the football improves so we have some good stuff to talk about!

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Can someone (Golly?) graph out age of Fishy poster vs desire to change manager?

There will be plenty of outliers (Ginny, whilst young at heart, is over 50?) but I would imagine the younger posters are generally more agreeable to Hurst staying.

Although I don’t know what the results would prove? It could be argued that us millennials have experienced more of the crap years relative to better times and are more conditioned to failure / are realistic (delete as applicable).

Change the 5 for a 6.

Older, but not wiser. If I was wise, I'd spend my weekends doing something enjoyable.  

I think this "True / Real Fan" was something i heard a while back, such as if you haven't got a season ticket or even go to away games, then I'm just an armchair fan.

A real fan in my eyes has balanced views (good and bad) and supports the club in anyway they can.  Too many "older" generation on here who think they are gods gift to fans and their opinion matters more than anyone else's.

Anyone asking for PH to be sacked is quite frankley "not right in the head" when you consider everything and not just 10 games into a season.  Have a word with yourself FFS.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I went to every single match home and away of the disastrous 2003/04 season and didn’t leave a single game early.

This included…
Hartlepool 8-1 Grimsby
Oldham 6-0 Grimsby
Port Vale 5-1 Grimsby
Wycombe 4-1 Grimsby
Brighton 3-0 Grimsby
Wrexham 3-0 Grimsby
Q.P.R. 3-0 Grimsby
Rushden & Diamonds 3-1 Grimsby
Notts County 3-1 Grimsby

So clearly I’m the truest fan out of the lot of you. Narrowly ahead of GranthamMariner who only missed the Peterborough away match in the FA Cup that season.

On a more serious note, we’re all fans whether you go to every game or have to pick and choose.

God I went to a few of those and also didn’t leave early as I never do, but they didn’t half send a shiver down the spine.

I believe the term is, all town aren't we... couldn't care if you spend £1 or £1000. People may have differing opinions but we all have one thing in common, we all love Grimsby Town Football Club.  

Mike,

Thanks for the reply.  Well balanced and thought out.

Rather than keep going over old ground about your reply I will agree that context and choice of wording is key and highlight just the one point.

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Paul Hurst has said several times that at times we need to be smarter or play more cleverly. Is this not the exact same point, phrased in a more PC way? I said in the same section Waterfall made a silly challange - silly/stupid/thick?

And in saying that you've summed it up perfectly.  Alex didn't say that.  He said they were as "thick as F***" in quite a direct manner rather than a more conversational tone.
Makes a huge difference.
Had Paul Hurst had said what Alex said he'd have been clearing his desk by half past 5 Saturday.

And again the context in which you describe Waterfalls challenge is far more respectful than something along the lines of calling him an idiot for example.

At the end of the day we are all wanting success for the team whatever that looks like and are frustrated with the current results and style of play.  
I just think that differences of opinion need to be aired respectfully especially by those with an elevated platform like the the podcast.

Here's to 3 points on Saturday.

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I think this "True / Real Fan" was something i heard a while back, such as if you haven't got a season ticket or even go to away games, then I'm just an armchair fan.

A real fan in my eyes has balanced views (good and bad) and supports the club in anyway they can.  Too many "older" generation on here who think they are gods gift to fans and their opinion matters more than anyone else's.

Anyone asking for PH to be sacked is quite frankley "not right in the head" when you consider everything and not just 10 games into a season.  Have a word with yourself FFS.

This 'true fan ' thing is as cringe as that 'everywhere we go ' song every club sing now .

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This 'true fan ' thing is as cringe as that 'everywhere we go ' song every club sing now .

I was talking to some town fans a while back, turned into a bit of a Spanish inquisition when asking if i've got a season ticket, or if i go to away games.  When I said i dont have a season ticket (cant afford it) and only away games have been wembley i was labelled an armchair fan.  I get it, but this shouldn't make me any less a fan than them but there you go.  

I haven't heard the podcast but from the above posts, it appears that there is a difference between a Real Fan and a True Fan. Then of course to add to that we have an ordinary Fan and not forgetting supporters who will champion Town all the time. Let us not forget those who through disability, location in this country and worldwide cheer on Town.

All I can say to sum the above is

WE'RE ALL TOWN AREN'T WE.

No one of us is better than the other, why? because WE ALL want what is best for Grimsby Town F. C.

Been through the thread and was going to make a comment about Mike but have seen he's already commented. Attending BP doesn't make you more of a fan, I listen to the podcast and he gives the best breakdown of tactics and players but freely admits he hardly ever gets to the game because of distance.

I get a better analysis of the game from Mike than my neighbours at BP who are usually six pints in and moaning about the ref constantly every game.

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Been through the thread and was going to make a comment about Mike but have seen he's already commented. Attending BP doesn't make you more of a fan, I listen to the podcast and he gives the best breakdown of tactics and players but freely admits he hardly ever gets to the game because of distance.

I get a better analysis of the game from Mike than my neighbours at BP who are usually six pints in and moaning about the ref constantly every game.

Haha - yeah I agree!

No one is a bigger or better fan than anyone else..what a pointless ‘argument’..🤷‍♂️

Fact is you can have 90,000 fans at a game or 1,500…not one person will view the game exactly the same. There’ll be something at some point that’s seen differently. And that’s the beauty of it isn’t it?? We all have a view/opinion..rarely the same..hence the discussions..but there’s no right or wrong..or better view/opinion. And if someone does say something you don’t agree with - why take umbrage?? Particularly if it’s someone you don’t know..and if it is..well discuss/debate..or just disagree pleasantly. No need for any histrionics..

Again the thread has got lost over a debate about what constitutes a fan.

It's not about who is or isn't entitled to be classed as a fan.  

The thread keeps getting drawn away from its original intent.

I hope everybody can draw a line under it and move on.  In my opinion it was wrong to use the terminology used in the podcast, others may disagree.  

I hope there's no long term consequences.  It potentially puts Jason, Andrew, Debbie & co in a tricky position. They've been regular guests on DN35 but any future appearance might have to be considered.  After all their employees have been very publicly slated and it might not been seem to be the right thing to be seen supporting the podcast.  
The club has also put a lot of emphasis on putting a package together to attract talent to the club which isn't helped by a leading light in fan support saying what's been said.

I could be over egging the pudding a little but there's consequences to actions.

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Ooo good for you. There’s many real fans who would love to be able to afford to spend that amount.

That was a particularly vulgar comment.

Dale has already answered your 'vulgar' charge with admirable restraint. Not met the guy but it's clear that his work on behalf of the club shows that his commitment is extensive and long lasting. Spending that amount can't be explained by buying a plush box with ensuite gold plated toilet and prawn sandwiches at half time. But I have seen him in The Upper. Based on that, and no other info about his family, I had a go at getting close to his £2760 ticket spend.

I have assumed that he manages his finances carefully and takes advantage of the 'Early Bird' offer. At 2023-2024 Season Ticket prices he could have bought...

Adults  x 4      @  375    = £1500
18-22 yrs x2   @  225    = £  450
Junior x 4       @  100    = £  400
  65+  x2         @  250    = £  500
  
Total                                 £ 2850       =  12 ST's

A bit more than his stated £2760 but I have allowed for some 1878 Club or Mariners Trust discount to bring it very close.

How can sharing his disposable income with 10/11 other family members be 'vulgar' ?  That's a word I might use to describe the conduct of more than a few away so called fans spaffing money on beer, coke, pyros and train fares.....then pissing in the sink at half time.

Or even Marcus Rashford owning three Rolls Royces?  choose you own reference point according to personal prejudice.

Well done Dale. If you can afford it, enjoy your family while you can.  I also sit in The Upper,  alone.  I'm grateful to the cheery 92 year old next to me for putting up with my expert commentary.

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Again the thread has got lost over a debate about what constitutes a fan.

It's not about who is or isn't entitled to be classed as a fan.  

The thread keeps getting drawn away from its original intent.

I hope everybody can draw a line under it and move on.  In my opinion it was wrong to use the terminology used in the podcast, others may disagree.  

I hope there's no long term consequences.  It potentially puts Jason, Andrew, Debbie & co in a tricky position. They've been regular guests on DN35 but any future appearance might have to be considered.  After all their employees have been very publicly slated and it might not been seem to be the right thing to be seen supporting the podcast.  
The club has also put a lot of emphasis on putting a package together to attract talent to the club which isn't helped by a leading light in fan support saying what's been said.

I could be over egging the pudding a little but there's consequences to actions.

What's with the agenda pal?...get off your high horse about the podcast, there's really no need, its just 4 blokes having an opinion about GTFC, why have you got such a beef with them?...

No beef, no high horse, just calling out what I perceive as poor behaviour.

I'd rather this not get turned back onto me, that doesn't encourage others to speak out.

As I've said I'm an avid listener & have donated to some of the causes they've supported.  

Yes it's 4 blokes sharing their opinion but it's done in public and their voices have weight to them.

Quoted from 141269

No beef, no high horse, just calling out what I perceive as poor behaviour.

I'd rather this not get turned back onto me, that doesn't encourage others to speak out.

As I've said I'm an avid listener & have donated to some of the causes they've supported.  

Yes it's 4 blokes sharing their opinion but it's done in public and their voices have weight to them.

Have you seen some of the nonsense written on the official GTFC twitter account, the Facebook pages??...my god, what Alex, Mike, Sam and Bruce say on the pod is very mild compared to the other social media platforms, and their voices carry no weight, if you think that I'd grow a thicker skin pal.

And of course I'm going to turn it back on you, you highlighted it and started the thread!!..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Have you seen some of the nonsense written on the official GTFC twitter account, the Facebook pages??...my god, what Alex, Mike, Sam and Bruce say on the pod is very mild compared to the other social media platforms, and their voices carry no weight, if you think that I'd grow a thicker skin pal.

And of course I'm going to turn it back on you, you highlighted it and started the thread!!..

I think you’ve just identified what is wrong with modern football and why it becomes so toxic…everyone has a platform, to effector directly go at players/clubs.

It must be tiring for those who are seemingly still going on and on about result that was almost 5 days ago. Social media allows them that opportunity. In the past you’d have moaned on the way home, probably moaned Sunday afternoon in the pub and by Monday tea time you’d have moved on…

I don’t think a podcast having a negative view is anything for them or the club to worry about. I don’t listen to podcasts at all because it’s not my thing, if you want to, go ahead, if not, don’t moan…

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I think you’ve just identified what is wrong with modern football and why it becomes so toxic…everyone has a platform, to effector directly go at players/clubs.

It must be tiring for those who are seemingly still going on and on about result that was almost 5 days ago. Social media allows them that opportunity. In the past you’d have moaned on the way home, probably moaned Sunday afternoon in the pub and by Monday tea time you’d have moved on…

I don’t think a podcast having a negative view is anything for them or the club to worry about. I don’t listen to podcasts at all because it’s not my thing, if you want to, go ahead, if not, don’t moan…

"still going on and on about result that was almost 5 days ago" Says the man who can't get Fenty out of his head and that was only 900 days ago since he left.