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Unpopular opinion but I think the refs got both decisions correct. Taylor’s DOGSO on Saturday was 50 yards out on an angle that has to be taken into consideration. With a defender level with him and in a straight line to goal rather than at an angle the ref has to make a decision if Taylor will get to a goal scoring opportunity (say the penalty spot) before the defender gets the cover on. You cannot say in a 35 yard race a player with the ball will definitely beat one without, so yellow card.
By the letter of the law Bapaga jumped which is a caution so after one in the first half the ref cannot apply common sense, he has to apply the law. We would be howling if the ref doesn’t do this in our favour. There’s a close up on Twitter and it’s not a foul throw, both feet are on the ground I’m afraid and in the wide shot there are two Altrincham players about 5 yards away so it looks like he’s trying to throw it quickly to them rather than into Bapaga. If Bapaga doesn’t jump, in my opinion, he doesn’t get cautioned. Jumping makes the decision for the ref.
Bring on the red crosses but I think we need to be a little more reflective here and not go the way of other “big clubs” and think the world is against us as it invariably turns out that way if you start to have a persecution complex!

I think the key here is that if they happened the other way around we’d expect and want the decisions made, leniency on the DOGSO and a second yellow for the throw in.

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I haven’t seen least nights but I agree, Taylor was too far from goal for it to be denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Yellow all day long
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Bear in mind that Taylor had a clear run, was on his strongest side and the nearest defender was 30 yards infield. He would undoubtedly have been able to get a shot off at the edge of the penalty area at least and from a decent angle on his left foot had he been allowed to run through on goal. It's not as if the ball was moving down the line, either, it was rolling directly towards goal when he was dragged down. Taylor had a straight run to goal, the ball was moving directly towards the goal and he didn't need to do anything but keep it under control as he ran to get there. For me, there was no doubt it was DOGSO.

If that wasn't DOGSO, then defenders might as well rugby tackle forwards in that position. Less risky than allowing a clean run and shot.
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I haven’t seen least nights but I agree, Taylor was too far from goal for it to be denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Yellow all day long


So the Wrexham defender should have dragged Max Wright down as he surged past the half way line in the 90th minute as he was too far from goal for it to be a goal scoring opportunity? Just a yellow then?

Don't think so. the last man is the last man.
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Unpopular opinion but I think the refs got both decisions correct. Taylor’s DOGSO on Saturday was 50 yards out on an angle that has to be taken into consideration. With a defender level with him and in a straight line to goal rather than at an angle the ref has to make a decision if Taylor will get to a goal scoring opportunity (say the penalty spot) before the defender gets the cover on. You cannot say in a 35 yard race a player with the ball will definitely beat one without, so yellow card.
By the letter of the law Bapaga jumped which is a caution so after one in the first half the ref cannot apply common sense, he has to apply the law. We would be howling if the ref doesn’t do this in our favour. There’s a close up on Twitter and it’s not a foul throw, both feet are on the ground I’m afraid and in the wide shot there are two Altrincham players about 5 yards away so it looks like he’s trying to throw it quickly to them rather than into Bapaga. If Bapaga doesn’t jump, in my opinion, he doesn’t get cautioned. Jumping makes the decision for the ref.
Bring on the red crosses but I think we need to be a little more reflective here and not go the way of other “big clubs” and think the world is against us as it invariably turns out that way if you start to have a persecution complex!

I think the key here is that if they happened the other way around we’d expect and want the decisions made, leniency on the DOGSO and a second yellow for the throw in.

UTM


Referering is more than just applying the letter of the law.

Bapaga being a winger was next to the touchline when the ball went out. He did not run towards the thrower to try to prevent the throw or gain an unfair advantage.  The throw was taken so quickly and thrown at him so fast what was he supposed to do?

The thrower was trying to get him in trouble.  Any professional player would instinctively jump if the ball is heading for him. There is also a still on Twitter showing one foot is off the ground as he tried to throw it as hard as he could.

In the case of Taylor at the weekend then defenders should just haul down anybody clean through and take a booking which is exactly what the FA has tried to stamp out.

Imagine if Max Wright had been hauled back by Wrexham when he was clean through to just get a yellow?
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Not seen last night's incident yet but the law that should be changed is not allowing an appeal against 2 yellows. If it was as bad as some say, then surely there should be some sort of appeal process.
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Referering is more than just applying the letter of the law.

Bapaga being a winger was next to the touchline when the ball went out. He did not run towards the thrower to try to prevent the throw or gain an unfair advantage.  The throw was taken so quickly and thrown at him so fast what was he supposed to do?

The thrower was trying to get him in trouble.  Any professional player would instinctively jump if the ball is heading for him. There is also a still on Twitter showing one foot is off the ground as he tried to throw it as hard as he could.

In the case of Taylor at the weekend then defenders should just haul down anybody clean through and take a booking which is exactly what the FA has tried to stamp out.

Imagine if Max Wright had been hauled back by Wrexham when he was clean through to just get a yellow?


Best answer of the lot on this thread. The thrower actively runs towards Bapaga and then throws the ball right at him. I’d not be giving a yellow for it.


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Why didn't the ref consult the linesman? He had a better view of it.  It looks to me that the ref jumped to his conclusion too quickly
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We can debate the rights and wrongs of his second yellow. The first was a joke and wasn’t even a foul. Why are non league refs so terrible?
Genuine question, cos it’s non league  are the refs FA appointed ?
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I think common sense should prevail, we were 3-0 up and not exactly looking to waste time or hold play up. If it was 1-0 and we were under the cosh and trying to disrupt play wasting time then I'd totally understand a yellow card
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Milner should have had 3 yellow cards against Man City.  He still finished the game.
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