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Limerick Mariner
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I'll go out on a limb and say keep Green on a significantly reduced deal. He won't get a League club deal, Hurst has persisted with him so must see something there in training, and he can finish. Coming off the bench, with the right player upfront with him, against tiring part-time defenders, he might do a job for us. Would have to be cheap though.
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Macca - keep
Battersby - keep and loan out
Eastwood- keep, I was impressed although 2 injuries in a few weeks is a concern for a keeper
Russell - will surely just be kept on as coach

Hendrie - would be good at NL but will probably leave, hasn't been as good as previously so not too big a loss but would prefer to keep
Hewitt - would be  a great signing at CB but may well get an efl club
Menayse- worth signing, assuming he is out of contract I think we have a decent chance
Habergham - been poor, albeit improved defensively recently, really weak attacking wise, we definitely need better. Out of Preston bunney and him he was the best but our best performances at LB this season have come from an out of position and playing on his weaker side Harry clifton which tells you everything
Clifton - keep. In a small squad he can cover multiple positions and save you money to spend on quality rather than quantity
Waterfall - not got great discipline, will play well enough for most of then game but throw in some absolute catastrophic defending. Like toto will do at least one suicidal move per game but doesn't have the pace to recover so more likely to concede from it. A calamity waiting to happen. Needs to go, hopefully we have  a relegation clause in his contract.
Pollock - still so young for a CB, very calm, good control, great in the air, strong, scores a few, very slow and immobile, poor passer. Would definitely be worth keeping in NL. We have an option for another year so would be crazy not to take it up in my opinion. Especially if we can offload waterfall

Rose - offload. Not good enough and slow and immobile and does nothing attack wise. Gets caught out defensively too.
Coke - improved us but for me I think we can do better and will need to have better if we are to try and at least challenge for the title. He will be too old and offer too little going forward in a 2 man midfield (if that's how we play)
Matete - obviously would be great to keep him, obviously we won't be.
El mizouni - probably not done enough to want to keep him
Williams - urine weak and usually shite, has an occasional good game but nothing to make up for his usual performances. Nowhere near good enough for next year, desperately needs offloading.
Scannell - clearly not interested. Offload
Bennett - shows occasional good touches but mostly anonymous. Only on loan so we can simply allow him to leave as won't be wanted next year.
Spokes - we need better. Considering his young age does show bits of promise but I think relegation/payoffs will mean we maybe can't find the money for someone who probably wouldn't be useful for us next year and maybe not even the year after so might be let go. A bit unlucky for him. Might sneak in as 4th choice if he's cheap enough?
Jackson Jr- because we have to pay off so many plus we are dropping a level he might get to stay, Hurst clearly doesn't rate him tho. Remember he dropped 30+ goals a season and hard working podge who had plenty of control and ability to bring in others, because he wasnt defending enough from the front etc. Jackson tries to work hard and knows where the net is but has looked well short of league level in his all round game so I don't think he is a Hurst type at all. Just might get loaned out at NL or NLN level to see how he does.

Gibson- has some physical attributes but nowhere near good enough. Will probably be loaned out as he has 2 years on his contract probably to NLN level, might just be paid off if that works out cheaper
Hanson- past it, will be allowed to leave. Might well retire
Green- utterly abysmal, will be allowed to leave and presumably retire
The shop - will stay obviously,we will need better as first choice up front tho in my opinion, does bring so.etging to the table tho





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Quoted from GollyGTFC


No, they definitely (100%) said that next season's budget in the NL will be higher than this season's budget.


Hurst also said that his budget is not a maximum, but a minimum and there may be scope to increase it should the need arise.
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Quoted from Limerick Mariner
I'll go out on a limb and say keep Green on a significantly reduced deal. He won't get a League club deal, Hurst has persisted with him so must see something there in training, and he can finish. Coming off the bench, with the right player upfront with him, against tiring part-time defenders, he might do a job for us. Would have to be cheap though.


Why? Is there a shortage of strikers this pre-season that forces us to re-sign players who aren't good enough any more?

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I'd be astonished if Green is re-signed.
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Quoted from Limerick Mariner
I'll go out on a limb and say keep Green on a significantly reduced deal. He won't get a League club deal, Hurst has persisted with him so must see something there in training, and he can finish. Coming off the bench, with the right player upfront with him, against tiring part-time defenders, he might do a job for us. Would have to be cheap though.


Hurst has brought him back as there is nobody else he trusts to play up front. He would literally rather have an empty spot on the pitch/bench than Gibson, Hanson is injured, Payne has been told to leave, he has picked green up front ahead of Jackson and Lamy, presumably because of experience and offering something in the air defensively which Hurst is quite keen on.

Realise I forgot a few:
Payne - will leave obviously
Morais - will need to be paid off obviously
Wright - injured again. Massive season for him next year, still signed so he gets a final chance I would think to prove his body can take pro football. Definitely useful at league level so more so in NL, assuming injuries haven't already slowed him down. I hope he spends his time hitting some weights and strengthening up, might help him with the injuries and will definitely help him with getting shoved off the ball.
Lamy - can't even force his way into the attack for this team so will surely be allowed to leave.
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May 8, 2021, 3:20pm
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Why? Is there a shortage of strikers this pre-season that forces us to re-sign players who aren't good enough any more?



Maybe not then - no one agrees. I wonder why PH has persisted with him - what's he see in him? Does he train well and set a good example to the younger players? He has buckets of goals at Conference level. Can he get 10 goals for us as 4th choice striker on a cheap deal...



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I’d love for us to get Eastwood back


Not a chance he will get a league one gigg more than good enough, way too good a keeper for non league
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Quoted from cannylad68
I've heard the same comment regarding Luke Hendry.
Apparently he's not the only player that doesn't like Paul Hurst.

What has to be remembered in this day and age, virtually every player has an agent, who will be doing their utmost best to get a good deal. There may be a surprise or two to follow.


Not entirely surprising as he did say the squad had very little quality when he came in. But then equally, they've done precious little to prove him wrong since then. The likes of Waterfall and Hendrie haven't been very good all season and going on that are quite easily replaced. The only player who was already here who has proved themselves is Hewitt. And I think if we offered him something we'd have a chance of keeping him. He's only just started playing regularly at the back and has been involved in 2 relegations out of the league in the last 3 seasons. Even for large parts of this season he was pretty anonymous until moved to the back by PH so his stock isn't going to be particularly high. Offer him and Rollins a good contract and you've got a good CB pairing to build from. Keep Clifton, Shop, Macca, Wright, Jackson Jnr and Pollock to be in and around the squad but not first team necessarily unless they up their game. The rest can go. There's a reason we're bottom of the football league and we need better.
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that was a question that never got asked on the podcast Bax.
they certainly have only mentioned in Palmer in relation to footballing matters & 'helping Paul'. i took it that he was doing a root and branch review/audit of everything on the playing side, but i'd be intrigued to know the answer


If Palmer gets involved in the football side of things, I can’t see Hurst hanging around for long. For what it’s worth, I think we’ll retain no more than 6 of the senior squad, quite possibly as few as 3-4. Nearly all of these players have shown conclusively that they’re not good enough.
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