Ethnophaulism discussion

Quoted from 123614

OMG, really!  It's a well known bit of banter, not racist in anyway, and is actually factual.

So are the French ‘cheese eating surrender monkeys’ or not? (Based on one episode that Maringer has pointed out most definitely wasn’t a case of cowardice).

How would you characterise the British given our surrender to an inferior and poorly equipped force at Singapore?

I know you mean it as a bit of banter but it’s lame and ignorant. Like calling us fat Northern bin dippers.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

So are the French ‘cheese eating surrender monkeys’ or not? (Based on one episode that Maringer has pointed out most definitely wasn’t a case of cowardice).

How would you characterise the British given our surrender to an inferior and poorly equipped force at Singapore?

I know you mean it as a bit of banter but it’s lame and ignorant. Like calling us fat Northern bin dippers.

Cheese eating surrender monkeys was coined by a script writer for The Simpsons where grounds keeper Willie was asked to teach French.

It was used by the national Review Online for France's lack of support for going to war with Saddam, citing France has already failed the loyalty test. If it uses its veto, France will get the blame for hollowing out the Security Council, rather than the US, which is going to war, no matter what.  About the time they were renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries.

The UN "is being used as a shield to protect a lawless nation", declared Tony Blankley of the Washington Times. But the real bile was reserved for the French, the "Cheese-eating surrender monkeys" as the National Review Online called them in a phrase picked up from the Simpsons and gleefully reproduced in several publications. Andrew Sullivan published a spoof e-mail about Jacques Chirac sending his elite L'Abandonnement du Field d'Honneur Battalion to help the Iraqis. Sullivan said that condescension for the French had "turned into contempt"; Blakeley called the French "contemptuous"; male private Morris in the New York Post said France was "pro-Saddam"; George Will described French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin as "oleaginous" (unctuous and oily) and Fox TV host Cal Thomas said Powell made so strong a case that "only the duped, the dumb and the desperate" like de Villepin could ignore it.

They were all outdone in French-bashing by Christopher Hitchens of Vanity Fair, who was given the run of the op-ed page of the Wall Street Journal on Thursday to categorise Chirac as "a positive monster of conceit . . . a vain and posturing and venal man . . . the rat that tried to roar." Ingratitude from a Vichy France that had to be rescued from Nazism was a common theme in letters from readers, one of whom in the Wall Street Journal, wrote simply, "God Bless France! She's always there when she needs us." Security Council members are faced with the prospect that if they obstruct the drive for UN approval for war, they will suffer the wrath of the only super-power - and definitely its conservative columnists. France has already failed the loyalty test. If it uses its veto, France will get the blame for hollowing out the Security Council, rather than the US, which is going to war, no matter what.

The problem is some are taking cheese eating surrender Monkey as a racial slur as it has monkey in it, and to do that they are the racists. The phase cheese eating surrender Monkey's in the cartoon is said to a classroom of kids, keep the phrase in context you over sensitive politically correct social bed wetters.

I do know where the whole ‘cheese eating surrender monkey’ thing came from. I don’t need you to explain the whole thing. The stupidity of its use with respect to the French position over the invasion of Iraq in 2003 is that it was a baseless slur on a government that used its intelligence (in all senses of the word) to stay out of an ill-advised foreign adventure that our own government (eager to tongue Uncle Sam’s bottom) didn’t do. Consequently, we have the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on our hands and the French don’t. They also have more credibility on the global stage.

Getting back to my original comment on B&W Bear’s attempt at humour, it is historically inaccurate to describe the French as cheese eating surrender monkeys. I’d rather have them in my side than almost anyone else. I wouldn’t mind but it’s not even funny any more since it first appeared on the Simpsons. For supporters of Death by a Bush to use it just showed how infantile they were. With you’re bed wetting comment, you’re in the same bracket. Or are you really a nine year old?

Quoted from Civvy at last

I wasn't going to get involved in yet another thread been hijacked by someone to enforce their own agenda.  But that does it for me.
If you want to call someone for the comments about cheese eating surrender monkeys that's up to you.  But that phrase has been used for years about  the French in general.  To assume it was used because the player is Black is yet another example of some well meaning but annoyingly interfering oh so PC nitwit.  You have as much right as anyone to comment about the 'phrase' itself.  But please don't look for racism when it isn't there.  Or should Town be playing in 'of colour' and white. ??

FFS.


P.S.  Just to enforce your stereotypical views, Yes I do read the daily Mail,YesI did vote leave, Yes I did vote Tory (only just though) and finally I do have friends have a different skin colour to myself.

I expect you to reply, but I'll leave it alone myself unless this is moved to NON FOOTY.

So why didn’t you jump in when Blackandwhitebear made his non-football comment? Or is ‘surrender monkeys’ a footballing term I haven’t come across yet?

And don’t say it was just banter because banter is something that mates have with each other in each other’s presence. I’m not aware of Grandin being mates with anyone on the fishy.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I do know where the whole ‘cheese eating surrender monkey’ thing came from. I don’t need you to explain the whole thing. The stupidity of its use with respect to the French position over the invasion of Iraq in 2003 is that it was a baseless slur on a government that used its intelligence (in all senses of the word) to stay out of an ill-advised foreign adventure that our own government (eager to tongue Uncle Sam’s bottom) didn’t do. Consequently, we have the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on our hands and the French don’t. They also have more credibility on the global stage.

Getting back to my original comment on B&W Bear’s attempt at humour, it is historically inaccurate to describe the French as cheese eating surrender monkeys. I’d rather have them in my side than almost anyone else. I wouldn’t mind but it’s not even funny any more since it first appeared on the Simpsons. For supporters of Death by a Bush to use it just showed how infantile they were. With you’re bed wetting comment, you’re in the same bracket. Or are you really a nine year old?

I'm offended and everyone is going to hear about it, I'm gonna scream and scream and scream until I wet my bed wha wha.

Do you often argue with 9 year olds, says more about you than me.

I hope your bed is dry before you get in it tonight pumpkin, bless your little offended cotton socks, and we won't mention Brittany, Jesus we wouldn't want that display again would we  

Quoted from KingstonMariner

So why didn’t you jump in when Blackandwhitebear made his non-football comment? Or is ‘surrender monkeys’ a footballing term I haven’t come across yet?

And don’t say it was just banter because banter is something that mates have with each other in each other’s presence. I’m not aware of Grandin being mates with anyone on the fishy.

If you bothered to read and actually digest my comment before exploding with self righteousness you could have saved yourself posting the above nonsense.
My argument was not so much to do with non footy. But the fact that someone was implying the phrase was used because the player concerned is black. IT WASN’T.
It was used because the player is French. I stated that if someone has a problem with the phrase, that is fine. But don’t imply it was used because the player is Black. It clearly wasn’t. It was yet another example of the PC brigade implying stuff that just wasn’t there.