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No big losses for me. Not bothered about either.

Whitmore was a "head it, kick it" defender who'd put his body in front of anything and throw his head into aerial challenges. But I didn't think there was ever any thought or direction on where he was actually heading the ball. Can do better.

Hall-Johnson is a funny one because he was a key part of our 3-5-2 system actually being effective and working. When playing as one of the 3 centre-backs that is, not as a wing-back. Has never really been trusted with a proper run of games I don't think, and never seems to last 90 minutes either. I actually think his physical attributes make him seem a much better footballer than he actually is. And if he didn't cover ground as well as he does, we wouldn't think much of him. Technically very limited I think, poor passer of the ball, not much game intelligence and despite one or two good games as an overlapping centre-back, poor end product in the final third. Again, can do better.


A little bit harsh on both Tommy, but football's a game of opinions. One caveat is, for every "can do better" new signing, we seem to be capable of making at least one "can do worse" over the years..
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A little bit harsh on both Tommy, but football's a game of opinions. One caveat is, for every "can do better" new signing, we seem to be capable of making at least one "can do worse"..


D'you know what, I actually probably don't disagree that I'm being a bit harsh on both.

I don't think there would've been too many complaints amongst the fanbase if both had been retained. And like Davis, they haven't looked out of their depth or particularly poor players. Maybe it's just getting older and tired of the mediocrity we've seen for the last 20 years, that I don't want to settle for players that do "alright" and "aren't bad players" - I just want us to be more ruthless and get better.

I think in most games I saw last season, we didn't have particularly poor players (despite your thoughts on DC   ), but they were either not very effective in competitive games, or just not as good as players that most other teams had. And as much as continuity can "building" can breed some success, I just want us to be better. The key note to this is that ultimately, the budget may have the biggest impact on to what extent we are able to do this.


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A little bit harsh on both Tommy, but football's a game of opinions. One caveat is, for every "can do better" new signing, we seem to be capable of making at least one "can do worse"..


think that's a little unfair on jolley.
this was his first line up (3-5-2)    
McKeown, Collins and Clifton were all regulars this season. Ben davies, clarke and suliman  not as good as hendrie, davies and rhj. Fox and ring, probably fox but probably fair to say that the jury's out. Berrett and Rose not as good as Hess and Embleton. Matt & Dembele up front. Difficult to say on this one as Matt didn't pull up any trees but has gone on to much better things; as has Dembele , although by this stage Dembele wasn't interested and was completely ineffectual. Whatever you say about Thomas he scored goals, generally worked hard and had  a bit of class. Dennis, Cardwell and Cook have all been as ineffectual as Matt was on so many occasions
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think that's a little unfair on jolley.
this was his first line up (3-5-2)    
McKeown, Collins and Clifton were all regulars this season. Ben davies, clarke and suliman  not as good as hendrie, davies and rhj. Fox and ring, probably fox but probably fair to say that the jury's out. Berrett and Rose not as good as Hess and Embleton. Matt & Dembele up front. Difficult to say on this one as Matt didn't pull up any trees but has gone on to much better things; as has Dembele , although by this stage Dembele wasn't interested and was completely ineffectual. Whatever you say about Thomas he scored goals, generally worked hard and had  a bit of class. Dennis, Cardwell and Cook have all been as ineffectual as Matt was on so many occasions


Cardwell was a slade signing anyway

I think jolleys done pretty well transfer wise generally, and I'd say he gave a fair crack in the team to everyone in the squad at different times in the season.

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think that's a little unfair on jolley.
this was his first line up (3-5-2)    
McKeown, Collins and Clifton were all regulars this season. Ben davies, clarke and suliman  not as good as hendrie, davies and rhj. Fox and ring, probably fox but probably fair to say that the jury's out. Berrett and Rose not as good as Hess and Embleton. Matt & Dembele up front. Difficult to say on this one as Matt didn't pull up any trees but has gone on to much better things; as has Dembele , although by this stage Dembele wasn't interested and was completely ineffectual. Whatever you say about Thomas he scored goals, generally worked hard and had  a bit of class. Dennis, Cardwell and Cook have all been as ineffectual as Matt was on so many occasions


I can’t remember Ben Davis, Clarke & Sullivan playing in a three but I kinda get what you’re saying.

What the concern is that in the last few seasons we’ve had to do a big rebuild, going into next term I thought it would be different but for whatever reason it’s not.



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