Whitmore and RHJ gone

Quoted from Maringer

He certainly was very strong in the challenge and this often worked out in his favour as he won the ball back when tackled as he charged forward. However, I personally don't think his passing/distribution was nearly up to the task. If we really are going to try to become a passing team, I think we need to worry less about central defenders charging forward and more about getting the ball to the midfield and forwards quickly and accurately.

It will be interesting to see where he ends up, that's for sure. There wasn't something quite right about his body language this season but I assumed this was just because he was knackered due to trying to get his fitness back after injury. If he really was wanting to move a bit further south, then that might explain it to some degree.

Interesting you say that.  I agree about the passing quickly and accurately but the the four automatically promoted sides from the two tiers above us all had defenders who pushed forward and caused problems, be it from wide areas or centrally.  Sheffield United were the masters of this all season and always had centre-backs overlapping.

I know there's a gulf of difference between the leagues but I would have thought that the benefit from the stretching the play would equal or even outweigh any benefit may gain from better passing, especially with the lesser technical players - probably easier to train players to be fitter/faster than it is to be technically better.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

2 of the better defenders out of the 5 senior players that were left.  

The only reason I can see for MJ allowing these two to leave is that he has better in his sights.

If we cant get in better than whats left us we really are doomed  

Quoted from rancido

The only reason I can see for MJ allowing these two to leave is that he has better in his sights.

RHJ chose to leave, I'm guessing Whitmore's the same.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Surprised about RHJ very versatile and often our best centre half in a 352.

Surprised? You think RHJ leaving was the club's decision?

Quoted from Abdul19

RHJ chose to leave, I'm guessing Whitmore's the same.

It sounds to me like MJ knew it needs improving, and decided to keep Davis and replace Whitmore and Collins with just 1 player, with Pollock now becoming a pro, all makes perfect sense to me.

RHJ I think you are right, judging by his message, he want's to go down south, good player, who give 100% every time, so no bad words towards him at all

Quoted from rancido

The only reason I can see for MJ allowing these two to leave is that he has better in his sights.

He probably didn't have a choice in the matter. He can't hold people hostage at the club that want to go elsewhere for a better offer.

My palace supporting in laws claim RHJ is signing for them

Quoted from rancido

The only reason I can see for MJ allowing these two to leave is that he has better in his sights.

RHJ chose to leave as he's out of contract - guessing he's got a better offer from a club down south and our offer fell short.

My guess would be the deals offered were not the greatest, Whitmore probably offered a crap deal as he was very replaceable.  RHJ im guessing was probably offered an ok ish deal but had other factors like location.

Both are replaceable. in my mind though the real problem is in midfield and not the defence, oposition seemed bypass the mid and theyy were not creative enough.