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Set to be the New scunts manager. Good Appointment
That`s something to look forward to PH cupping his ears to the Grimsby crowd again and a proper Derby atmosphere!!!!! I think he will get an even more hostile reception than Sir Alan Buckley got with WBA all those year`s ago and this time around not sure he won`t deserve the earache? I just hope Jolley keeps his nerve and utilises the hostile crowd to our team`s advantage a right fast start required whilst PH worries about keeping us shape and such .  UTM |
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I hate to say it but that's a top seven finish in the bag for scunny
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I hate to say it but that's a top seven finish in the bag for scunny
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wouldn't say its in the bag Adam, but they've given themselves a damn good chance with that appointment
Teams that come down SHOULD be amongst the favourites to go back up and Scunny will have a decent budget.Ex Grimsby Manager though and a slow start their fan`s will be on him like a pack of wolves they make Town fan`s seem like a patient bunch when you hear them bleating on Hullberside. |
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That`s something to look forward to PH cupping his ears to the Grimsby crowd again and a proper Derby atmosphere!!!!! I think he will get an even more hostile reception than Sir Alan Buckley got with WBA all those year`s ago and this time around not sure he won`t deserve the earache? I just hope Jolley keeps his nerve and utilises the hostile crowd to our team`s advantage a right fast start required whilst PH worries about keeping us shape and such . UTM
Be a bit odd really. Hurst, whilst splitting the fan base during his time here, didn't really leave under a cloud. A lot of people, myself included, felt it was the right time for him to go and that we needed someone else in to freshen things up/take us onto the next level. He never returned here to raid the dressing room and as more and more things have emerged since his departure, it feels like he was more than justified in wanting to go elsewhere because of the constraints placed on him from the boardroom - despite his desire to move us up to the next level in terms of infrastructure. Buckley on the other hand wasted little time in coming back to Blundell Park to take half the team with him, which annoyed a lot of people. I seem to think he made some quite disparaging remarks about the club and also developed a bit of a rivalry with Brian Laws too. Not sure how I would react to Hurst coming back here to be honest, it'll add an extra bit of spice I guess but it's hardly a grudge return is it? If people genuinely got upset about the ear-cupping thing and are still holding onto it, they might want to let go at some point... |
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Teams that come down SHOULD be amongst the favourites to go back up and Scunny will have a decent budget.Ex Grimsby Manager though and a slow start their fan`s will be on him like a pack of wolves they make Town fan`s seem like a patient bunch when you hear them bleating on Hullberside.
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That’s us not winning scunny next season
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I hate to say it but that's a top seven finish in the bag for scunny
If his time here is anything to go by, he will do well until Jan/Feb and then start to tail off. |
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Be a bit odd really.
Hurst, whilst splitting the fan base during his time here, didn't really leave under a cloud. A lot of people, myself included, felt it was the right time for him to go and that we needed someone else in to freshen things up/take us onto the next level.
He never returned here to raid the dressing room and as more and more things have emerged since his departure, it feels like he was more than justified in wanting to go elsewhere because of the constraints placed on him from the boardroom - despite his desire to move us up to the next level in terms of infrastructure.
Buckley on the other hand wasted little time in coming back to Blundell Park to take half the team with him, which annoyed a lot of people. I seem to think he made some quite disparaging remarks about the club and also developed a bit of a rivalry with Brian Laws too.
Not sure how I would react to Hurst coming back here to be honest, it'll add an extra bit of spice I guess but it's hardly a grudge return is it? If people genuinely got upset about the ear-cupping thing and are still holding onto it, they might want to let go at some point...
You make some valid points but PH was never ever universally popular with the GTFC fanbase even when things were going well , Shrewsbury at one time had Henderson,Toto,Nolan,Lewis and another attacker who`s name escapes me in the starting eleven plus Danny Coyne at the Club along with Hurst and Sniffer Doig |
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You make some valid points but PH was never ever universally popular with the GTFC fanbase even when things were going well , Shrewsbury at one time had Henderson,Toto,Nolan,Lewis and another attacker who`s name escapes me in the starting eleven plus Danny Coyne at the Club along with Hurst and Sniffer Doig
No he wasn't, he definitely was the Marmite man here. As said, I thought it was the right time for him to go. But all of those players you mentioned, he never poached from us. Henderson had already gone back to Manchester United, after Bignot quite literally pushed him under a moving bus according to Aaron. Toto had gone to Hartlepool. Nolan to Chesterfield LJL - Newport? Danny Coyne had no association with GTFC when Hurst was here and was already at Shrewsbury for 3 years before Hurst arrived. Don't get me wrong, there will be a bit of needle there and if nothing else it'll add a real fiery element to what should be a decent atmosphere anyway. But I can't imagine how it would be anything like the Buckley return. That was really intense, it was personal because he had come back to the club and taken so many of our players. |
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If he does go there, then with him being interviewed weekly on RH, it will be interesting to be able to keep a closer eye on him than was possible during his last two stints. Mainly to see if he's developed in terms of being able to accept a bit of responsibility and whether or not he can take criticism from fans without snidey little digs back at them. I can't imagine he really had to deal with this at Shrewsbury as he was pretty much on one massive long honeymoon period and then his time at Ipswich was cut so short that it's difficult to take anything from.
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If the club back him they will be a force to consider next seseon,
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If the club back him they will be a force to consider next seseon,
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If the board back MJ we will be a force as well.
Should be an interestinfg season for both of us.
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I'd rather have Jolley with money to spend than Hurst with money to spend.
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When are we ever going to stop this f*****g obsession with Paul Hurst ?
F***S Sake !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hurst was/is a top manager at this level
He cupped his ear in a split second of emotion and he probably regrets it - but FFS can't some of you grow up and move on!
I will applaud him when he returns to GTFC (assuming he gets Scunny job) and then hope we thrash his team
The 'ear-cup' moaners do honestly sound like petulant 8 year olds who've had their favourite toy taken off them
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When are we ever going to stop this f*****g obsession with Paul Hurst ?
F***S Sake !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Move on everybody, he was bang average at best and we have had FAR better managers than him in the past and will continue to have in the future !
Any ex-boss taking over at Scunny is big news and deserving of its own thread, surely?
Hurst was/is a top manager at this level
He cupped his ear in a split second of emotion and he probably regrets it
Nah, he did that interview on NTT20 last season and it didn't come across like he regretted that at all. I think he might have even brought it up (or a similar incident) himself, without being asked about it. |
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We were 8th when he left - going along very nicely with one of lowest budgets in the league
He took Shrews from bottom of L1 (5/6 pts adrift) to two Wembley finals and narrowly missed out on promotion to Championship... yes, he lost both before some clever bottom reminds me, but there are many managers who wouldn't have achieved either
I think that is evidence he's a 'top' manager at this level - and an established Championship club thought so as well (and that didn't work out, I admit...not on his own there...but is 13 games enough time to totally transform a club?)
The main point is not whether he regrets #earcupgate - it was passion and can we all not move on FFS!!
Bit like a dressing room bust up - things are said in heat of moment; we all calm down; shake hands; move on...but it seems like that is not possible with some on here
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Any ex-boss taking over at Scunny is big news and deserving of its own thread, surely?
Nah, he did that interview on NTT20 last season and it didn't come across like he regretted that at all. I think he might have even brought it up (or a similar incident) himself, without being asked about it.
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He'll stop their slide down the divisions but, all said and done, he's a prickly little character and right now Scunny's chairman seems to be a fair old larger than life, tell it how it is prickly character.
Could be fun if the pressure cranks up,sacking McCall was a terrible, unnecessary decision for me, not impossible for Hurst to gather a similar set of results.
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With his track record I can not see Swann giving Hurst 6years to get them promoted,
Seeing as it is a lot easier to go up from this division he might do it in 2 the same as us under MJ.
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I`m checking media but there is no mention of Hurst being manager of Scunthorpe?
There is nothing on their official site either? I think they are quite surprised by this news in Scunthorpe...
And while I`m very grateful for Hurst giving me a wonderful moment at Wembley in the play-off final a few years back, it has to be said that he was very unpopular among the staff (paid and unpaid) at Blundell Park. He was very cold towards them and didn`t, for most of the time, even recognise their existence.
Inside information from people at Blundell Park tell me that Jolley is the complete opposite of Hurst.
Personally I judge people by their actions, and I don`t approve of a boss who doesn`t acknowledge their employees and volunteers by not giving them attention or a pat on the back sometimes.
That`s why I hope that Jolley will be successful at our club - he deserves it on personality alone!
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If, he gets the job when we he derbys come along his pre match interview on hullberside will be interesting, he'll make us sound like world beaters, scare the scunny players to death.
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I`m checking media but there is no mention of Hurst being manager of Scunthorpe?
There is nothing on their official site either? I think they are quite surprised by this news in Scunthorpe...
And while I`m very grateful for Hurst giving me a wonderful moment at Wembley in the play-off final a few years back, it has to be said that he was very unpopular among the staff (paid and unpaid) at Blundell Park. He was very cold towards them and didn`t, for most of the time, even recognise their existence.
Inside information from people at Blundell Park tell me that Jolley is the complete opposite of Hurst.
Personally I judge people by their actions, and I don`t approve of a boss who doesn`t acknowledge their employees and volunteers by not giving them attention or a pat on the back sometimes.
That`s why I hope that Jolley will be successful at our club - he deserves it on personality alone!
Well thats all hearsay because i was told the exact opposite! Hurst was very popular, and ive been told MJ isn't. rumours go around all the time, always found Hurst cheerful and approachable when I spoke to him |
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I`m checking media but there is no mention of Hurst being manager of Scunthorpe?
There is nothing on their official site either? I think they are quite surprised by this news in Scunthorpe...
And while I`m very grateful for Hurst giving me a wonderful moment at Wembley in the play-off final a few years back, it has to be said that he was very unpopular among the staff (paid and unpaid) at Blundell Park. He was very cold towards them and didn`t, for most of the time, even recognise their existence.
Inside information from people at Blundell Park tell me that Jolley is the complete opposite of Hurst.
Personally I judge people by their actions, and I don`t approve of a boss who doesn`t acknowledge their employees and volunteers by not giving them attention or a pat on the back sometimes.
That`s why I hope that Jolley will be successful at our club - he deserves it on personality alone!
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My next door neighbour said as much two days ago, told him balderdash and didn't have the bottle to start a rumour thread for fear of looking a girl private.
Meant to nip in bookies for price and put a tenner but forgot.
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No he wasn't, he definitely was the Marmite man here. As said, I thought it was the right time for him to go.
But all of those players you mentioned, he never poached from us.
Henderson had already gone back to Manchester United, after Bignot quite literally pushed him under a moving bus according to Aaron.
Toto had gone to Hartlepool.
Nolan to Chesterfield
LJL - Newport?
Danny Coyne had no association with GTFC when Hurst was here and was already at Shrewsbury for 3 years before Hurst arrived.
Don't get me wrong, there will be a bit of needle there and if nothing else it'll add a real fiery element to what should be a decent atmosphere anyway. But I can't imagine how it would be anything like the Buckley return. That was really intense, it was personal because he had come back to the club and taken so many of our players.
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These posters saying that is Scunny beating us is a taken Scunny win
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WTF NO it is not, we have a good academy young decent local lads breaking through.
Get behind the lads instead of drinking out of a half empty glass M.J. as a good training team around him he needs a couple of good signings.
This team went to Palace and held them at bay for most of the match with TEN MEN.
Get a grip Scunny and Hurst will know they are in a game here and at Scunny.
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I will appluard him when he returns. He's the best manager we've had for many years. 4 years in a row in the top 5. Then we was in the playoffs when he left. I do however hope scunny struggle next year but I can't see it.
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WHAAAAAATTTT!!!! It’s got to 5 pages on this thread and that little man syndrome from Suffolk hasn’t mentioned the ear cupping incident, must be a record!
Probably a good appointment for them in my opinion, best they could hope for in the current climate.
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I will appluard him when he returns. He's the best manager we've had for many years. 4 years in a row in the top 5. Then we was in the playoffs when he left. I do however hope scunny struggle next year but I can't see it.
The one thing we did was a team that scored gosls.. something we have sorely missed in the last 2 seasons. Not my kind of person but he did bring a promotion and a feel good factor back to the club.. As for Scunthorpe, don't be surprised if they struggle this upcoming season, we all know it's a culture shock dropping down a division but to be hypocritical to myself they have a string squad which could storm this league Only time will tell |
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well definately will spice it up if it turns out to be true...definately Marmite and will definately recieve a frosty reception from some quarters.
Key appointment for him and his career as another unsuccesful appointment will start to taint his previous achievements.
Big question is .....does Doig know anything about this ?
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One of only two managers to get us promoted in nearly 40 years. The sharp object.
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Hey northbank! How about this as this season's wAger? If he's appointed imho the Scunts will finish above us. What's your thoughts?
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Hey northbank! How about this as this season's wAger? If he's appointed imho the Scunts will finish above us. What's your thoughts?
I'll take that wager, we'll finish above them, best them at BP and draw at Glumford Park..if PU gets them into the play offs I'll double my £25 from this year... how's that sound to you Forza?! |
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I suppose, if you're out of work, then an income is welcome, but I would have thought that Hurst would have wanted and expected a L1 job. He probably earned that. So, it surprises me to some extent, that he'd take a L2 job, at a smaller club than his last L2 employer, albeit undoubtedly on more money and with a bigger budget. Fair play to him. I hope he's applauded when we play them because I think he deserves thanks, but that's not going to be what he hears I suspect. Probably his status was tainted a bit by the manner in which he left, which I did think was cowardly (sending sniffer Doig out to pretend he didn't know anything). Maybe both Hurst and some supporters could have treated each other with a bit more respect, but, hey....that's in the past.
Really, I don't care. I'm thankful that he got us promoted eventually, but I always thought he made bloody hard work of it given the payers he had at his disposal, many of whom are better than those who currently play for us. By the time he left I was glad to see the back of him really. Should make the derby interesting next year.
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Strange one this for me....I was happy when he left but I also respected the fact that he got us back into the Football League.
Yes it took him six seasons to do it but I bet clubs like Wrexham and quiet a few more ex league clubs would have taken that in hindsight.
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well definately will spice it up if it turns out to be true...definately Marmite and will definately recieve a frosty reception from some quarters.
Key appointment for him and his career as another unsuccesful appointment will start to taint his previous achievements.
Big question is .....does Doig know anything about this ?
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I think he will get a torrid reception from some in the main stand but Hurst will not lose It not like Scot infamously did with a fan in the pontoon.
Hurst always had an eye for a good loan player he kept us top half for most of the non league time some memorable away days.
After we was robbed at Wembley by the ref bottling a key decision early on then admitting to Palmer if he had sent their keeper off it would have ruined the game as a spectacle.
We took the loss as though an injustice had been done and the fans rallied round to help Hurst the likes of Boggle,Podge, and Nolan was a good combo.
Of course that was rectified against F.G. a season later.
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He’s an interesting one, Paul Hurst. I always felt that his major frustration was that many of the fans’ perception of the club as being League One in size and stature was out of kilter with the budget he ultimately had in the Conference. He wasn’t judged in a fair context. We had a top 5 budget during our time down there, and we consistently finished top 5 - for me he did a good, if not brilliant job.
That said, I think he equally failed to acknowledge some of the things fans had had to witness and experience before his arrival. Years of failure and decline - those things naturally contribute towards an atmosphere of anxiety, anger and animosity. None of that was Hurst’s fault of course, I’m just not sure he ‘got’ what the club had been through and from time to time he would make naive comments that antagonised our support.
Still, I’m surprised that even with the benefit of hindsight, some posters (and generally pretty sensible ones at that) still feel that they felt it was time for him to go or they were glad to see the back of him. Going into his final game against Cheltenham we were 6th, which if I’m not mistaken would have been quite literally the highest we’d been in the division since 2006 (and still is). As we stand, is anyone willing to bet their house on hitting those heights next season?
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I'll take that wager, we'll finish above them, best them at BP and draw at Glumford Park..if PU gets them into the play offs I'll double my £25 from this year... how's that sound to you Forza?!
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I will appluard him when he returns. He's the best manager we've had for many years. 4 years in a row in the top 5. Then we was in the playoffs when he left. I do however hope scunny struggle next year but I can't see it.
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Just shows how expectations have fallen we were non league
That's what I can't understand. A manager who had Grimsby Town in the top six of League One or top seven of League Two for four years in a row then credit to him, but not top five of the fifth division. |
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That's what I can't understand. A manager who had Grimsby Town in the top six of League One or top seven of League Two for four years in a row then credit to him, but not top five of the fifth division.
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He’s an interesting one, Paul Hurst. I always felt that his major frustration was that many of the fans’ perception of the club as being League One in size and stature was out of kilter with the budget he ultimately had in the Conference. He wasn’t judged in a fair context. We had a top 5 budget during our time down there, and we consistently finished top 5 - for me he did a good, if not brilliant job.
That said, I think he equally failed to acknowledge some of the things fans had had to witness and experience before his arrival. Years of failure and decline - those things naturally contribute towards an atmosphere of anxiety, anger and animosity. None of that was Hurst’s fault of course, I’m just not sure he ‘got’ what the club had been through and from time to time he would make naive comments that antagonised our support.
Still, I’m surprised that even with the benefit of hindsight, some posters (and generally pretty sensible ones at that) still feel that they felt it was time for him to go or they were glad to see the back of him. Going into his final game against Cheltenham we were 6th, which if I’m not mistaken would have been quite literally the highest we’d been in the division since 2006 (and still is). As we stand, is anyone willing to bet their house on hitting those heights next season?
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That is all perfectly true. It is also true that Scunthorpe's manager(s) this season had a top ten budget despite Swann cutting back. Down they come. Budgets are not everything. Norwich are going up on a shoestring. Huddersfield come down on the same. It just doesn't work consistently. You need luck and you need some clever management of your squad in terms of teamwork and playing systems to keep overachieving. To me Hurst played the percentages far too much and was too easily satisfied with a point when two were more than possible. In fact he was doing what you say here, taking the club's position relative to its budget as success when success would have been exceeding expectations. I also think he is easily frightened. He had Shrewsbury at the top of L1 for a while and in the automatic places for a while longer but seemed to get scared of continuing the play that got them there and went back to his old ways and lost games against the relegation fodder sides. The Shrews fans posted about this a few times as the season came to an end and then they lost in the playoffs. It surprised me that Ipswich took the gamble on him. Now I think he has been found out as a "nearly manager" so he has to reinvent himself somewhere. It will be interesting to see where and if he carries on with the same conservative system. If he goes to Scunny he ought to get them back up according to the budget theory, but it won't be with free flowing footie and a Luton style charge at the top of the table. It will be the hard way, crawling through the playoffs. |
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I could never really make my mind up about Hurst first thinking yes he could do it then no he was not up to it.
It was his sly digs at the fans and constant bigging up of part time opposition that finally turned me off him,
Yes he got us up but at most other clubs he would not have been given as long to do it.
He is a decent L1/L2 manager but if he wants to manage at a higher level he will have to take his club up there, ( after Ipswich ) I only hope it is not with Scunthorpe
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Hurst was unlucky at Wembley against Bristol Rovers. The gods were not on our side.
Subjectively, I think that his reputation suffered because a) he could not deliver promotion earlier, b) he did not have a good rapport with the fans, c) his press conferences were uninspiring, and d) he was very cautious - even against weaker opposition - and would accept a draw when 3 points were achievable. The fans wanted promotion back to the FL and some excitement.
All these factors combined over the years to give fans a poor view of Paul Hurst. Their own frustrations (and mine) with being stuck in NL needed a scapegoat (or 2). We had the view that we were better than where we were. Every manager has a limited lifespan. Deserved or not.
What Hurst achieved at Shrewsbury (going from bottom to top in less than a season) was truly exceptional.
Michael Jolley is more charismatic, articulate and outgoing than Paul Hurst. This has helped to build up some credit with the fans. However, results and performances must improve next season as these are the key indicators - not personality.
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He’s an interesting one, Paul Hurst. I always felt that his major frustration was that many of the fans’ perception of the club as being League One in size and stature was out of kilter with the budget he ultimately had in the Conference. He wasn’t judged in a fair context. We had a top 5 budget during our time down there, and we consistently finished top 5 - for me he did a good, if not brilliant job.
That said, I think he equally failed to acknowledge some of the things fans had had to witness and experience before his arrival. Years of failure and decline - those things naturally contribute towards an atmosphere of anxiety, anger and animosity. None of that was Hurst’s fault of course, I’m just not sure he ‘got’ what the club had been through and from time to time he would make naive comments that antagonised our support.
Still, I’m surprised that even with the benefit of hindsight, some posters (and generally pretty sensible ones at that) still feel that they felt it was time for him to go or they were glad to see the back of him. Going into his final game against Cheltenham we were 6th, which if I’m not mistaken would have been quite literally the highest we’d been in the division since 2006 (and still is). As we stand, is anyone willing to bet their house on hitting those heights next season?
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I’d have hurst and the position he left us in against the shower of excrement we’ve had this season anyday. “ oh but Jolley comes across so well in how he speaks”. Load of crap
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Exactly ... our budget was top 5 we finished on par every season , hardly remarkable in my book.
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There is no FFP in national league.
not sure there is in the Football League either in reality.....clubs always finding ways around it.....or the EFL forget they have a backbone and back down. A billionaire owner brings up Salford from non League. Just another difficult season and greater competition for the players we may want to attract to our club. Hopefully they will try and spend their way out so maybe shopping for players we wouldnt be looking at anyway. |
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Really when the likes of Forest green and now Salford are bank rolled by a rich chairman it is still a very unbalanced situation what happened to your only allowed to spend based on Gate recipts.
A lot of these small clubs ARE bank rolled big time.
Gates are irrelevant almost in football now 😂 , Wembley as we speak is empty ( Salford Fylde ) both of which are bankrolled beyond status and potential imo. My point was hurst finished in the top 5 and had a top 5 non league budget, he was lucky to keep his job you could say after the Newport / Gateshead play offs. Luton sacked manager after manager until they got it right , play off failures to them was failure and look how they’ve turned it around , different mentality I suppose |
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Hurst was unlucky at Wembley against Bristol Rovers. The gods were not on our side.
Subjectively, I think that his reputation suffered because a) he could not deliver promotion earlier, b) he did not have a good rapport with the fans, c) his press conferences were uninspiring, and d) he was very cautious - even against weaker opposition - and would accept a draw when 3 points were achievable. The fans wanted promotion back to the FL and some excitement.
All these factors combined over the years to give fans a poor view of Paul Hurst. Their own frustrations (and mine) with being stuck in NL needed a scapegoat (or 2). We had the view that we were better than where we were. Every manager has a limited lifespan. Deserved or not.
What Hurst achieved at Shrewsbury (going from bottom to top in less than a season) was truly exceptional.
Michael Jolley is more charismatic, articulate and outgoing than Paul Hurst. This has helped to build up some credit with the fans. However, results and performances must improve next season as these are the key indicators - not personality.
I’d agree with this but I do t think Jolley’s press conferences are anything special to be honest especially after a game. Hurst is a good Manager and I felt a bit sorry for him at Ipswich as he was never going to have the backing he needed and a lot of ex Ipswich players got stuck into him in the media which didn’t help. If the Scunts where going for him why didn’t they do it after McCall got binned ? He might have just saved them........ glad they didn’t though🤣 |
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Hurst is the best manager we have had since Buckley
Nah he's not, Lennie Lawrence was...he may have been the only manager to have a smidging of success since Buckley but Lawrence was a better manager..got us to nearly top spot in the championship...circa week maybe but he got us there.. |
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Most wanted him gone for years before he did, why we going on about him now?
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Most wanted him gone for years before he did, why we going on about him now?
Because some people can't let go of the past..and it's a shame really, because he could have left with fond memories, instead all he does is leave a sour taste in your mouth....time to let sleeping dogs lie and hope for a brighter future under the stewardship of MJ... |
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Most wanted him gone for years before he did, why we going on about him now?
Seeing the crap we have had since he left a lot of people would turn the clock back. I would turn it back to McMenemy |
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Like him or loath him, just look at the players he brought to the club when we were non league....
The Shop
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You have to admit he has a pretty good eye for a player.
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Because some people can't let go of the past..and it's a shame really, because he could have left with fond memories, instead all he does is leave a sour taste in your mouth....time to let sleeping dogs lie and hope for a brighter future under the stewardship of MJ...
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Like him or loath him, just look at the players he brought to the club when we were non league....
The Shop
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Rodman
Roberson
You have to admit he has a pretty good eye for a player.
Interesting that you include the shop at the top of your list; not that I disagree, just that he was even more divisive than Hurst during his time here. |
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This will not be popular with many but give Fenty his due he stuck by him until he fulfilled his mantle.
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Interesting that you include the shop at the top of your list; not that I disagree, just that he was even more divisive than Hurst during his time here.
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We've got to talk about something P.P.-had nothing to talk about for such a long time.
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Bloody hell.....we'll still be going over the same old ground (on here) about Hurst in thirty years time at this rate.....we desperately need some hairs on the back of your neck new signings to talk about 
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Bloody hell.....we'll still be going over the same old ground (on here) about Hurst in thirty years time at this rate.....we desperately need some hairs on the back of your neck new signings to talk about
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We've got to talk about something P.P.-had nothing to talk about for such a long time.
I somehow managed to delete my post...technology.... |
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That is all perfectly true. It is also true that Scunthorpe's manager(s) this season had a top ten budget despite Swann cutting back. Down they come. Budgets are not everything. Norwich are going up on a shoestring. Huddersfield come down on the same. It just doesn't work consistently. You need luck and you need some clever management of your squad in terms of teamwork and playing systems to keep overachieving. To me Hurst played the percentages far too much and was too easily satisfied with a point when two were more than possible. In fact he was doing what you say here, taking the club's position relative to its budget as success when success would have been exceeding expectations.
I also think he is easily frightened. He had Shrewsbury at the top of L1 for a while and in the automatic places for a while longer but seemed to get scared of continuing the play that got them there and went back to his old ways and lost games against the relegation fodder sides. The Shrews fans posted about this a few times as the season came to an end and then they lost in the playoffs. It surprised me that Ipswich took the gamble on him.
Now I think he has been found out as a "nearly manager" so he has to reinvent himself somewhere. It will be interesting to see where and if he carries on with the same conservative system. If he goes to Scunny he ought to get them back up according to the budget theory, but it won't be with free flowing footie and a Luton style charge at the top of the table. It will be the hard way, crawling through the playoffs.
I think this is absolutely bob-on and I alluded to several of these points in my post. When you look at the calibre of players we had in the year we were promoted, and to a lesser extent, in the years previous, you wonder how Hurst was always about trying to sneak us up through the play offs, playing the percentages and needing luck. We never made a proper assault on auto promotion, and I believe that Hurst's conservative, predictable philosophy was the reason for that. That's why I'd had enough of him by the time he went. Some of those players he signed went on to play at a higher level - Bogle, Amond, Nolan, Toto, Rodman, Tait, Shop, Arnold, Palmer etc and yet he still managed to make his teams scratch around looking for points, playing it conservative, lacking the drive and the confidence that we should have had to take games to lowly opposition and crush them. After six years of playing this game I was sick of it. Some of those teams we lost to or failed to beat in that period were entirely down to tactical weaknesses and small time management thinking. Keeping it tight, making sure we didn't lose etc. Look at the mess he made of the last part of the season we were promoted......with those players! We should have smashed it, not hung in there hoping for some luck. Sure he finally got us promoted, and thanks, but boy did he make hard work of it, and not without a huge amount of luck. I hate that kind of management style. I know he got us into contention, but every year I felt his restricted, conservative thinking held us back. He never projected confidence, ambition, a winners mentality. The year we lost to Bristol Rovers in the play off final he spoke like a loser before the game. An underdog. A man with low expectations and low ambition. That projected, and it influenced the result and it contrasted with how their manager set his stall out. I'd had enough by then. Sure, he finally got us promoted with a large slice of luck but he should have made a much better job of it with those players. |
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This will not be popular with many but give Fenty his due he stuck by him until he fulfilled his mantle.
And then he left, strongly insinuating that the main reason was Fenty failing to honour commitments he'd made about backroom staff. I'm sure it's not true that we were just trying to cut immediate cost with no foresight or aspiration to see the bigger picture but that's what he suggested..... |
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Like him or loath him, just look at the players he brought to the club when we were non league....
The Shop
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Nolan
Podge
Bogle
Tait
Magnay
Rodman
Roberson
You have to admit he has a pretty good eye for a player.
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He was one shirt pull away from leaving anyway. One shirt pull. Despite everything.
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Despite what I've said about him, I don't blame him for leaving. He had no resource to work with once we'd made it back to the EFL. Cr@p facilities, no staff etc....
Hurst did sign some good players. Fair play to him for that. You just knew that the budget was turd when you saw us turning out that God awful midfield of Berrett and Summerfield.
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Most exciting period for being a fan of Grimsby Town in the last generation was when Paul Hurst was in charge.
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Most exciting period for being a fan of Grimsby Town in the last generation was when Paul Hurst was in charge.
no ?
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Funny to think that in nearly 3 years since hursty left us, he could very well be back in the same league as us, some progression that is
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First signing for Scunny if Hurst gets appointed i reckon.
Somebody to shore midfield up, to turn a win into a draw? |
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First signing for Scunny if Hurst gets appointed i reckon.
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Funny to think that in nearly 3 years since hursty left us, he could very well be back in the same league as us, some progression that is
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First signing for Scunny if Hurst gets appointed i reckon.
Omar will be Scunny,s first loan signing I believe they can afford his wages and he's crap outside league 2, one thing about Hurst he likes his old players |
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Omar will be Scunny,s first loan signing I believe they can afford his wages and he's crap outside league 2, one thing about Hurst he likes his old players
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Omar will be Scunny,s first loan signing I believe they can afford his wages and he's crap outside league 2, one thing about Hurst he likes his old players
I think I would probably vomit if that happened. It was bad enough seeing Martin Paterson in a Scunny shirt. Anywhere but there, Omar. |
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I would take the shop right now...
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I miss the shop as much as he misses the target
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Omar will be Scunny,s first loan signing I believe they can afford his wages and he's crap outside league 2, one thing about Hurst he likes his old players
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If you're going to post things get your facts right
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Pompey fans love him and they finished 4th in League One...
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Yeah but he'll definitely be signing for 4th division Scunthorpe because 2+2=587!
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Latest rumour from the Ashby Lodge is PH is going to go in goal.
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Him and Doig just confirmed.
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Need some Kenny Everett comedy hands to cup over our ears on his return now... unless Swann sacks him before he returns to BP obviously...
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Could be the first time he has bigged us up before a game |
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Could be the first time he has bigged us up before a game
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Him and Doig just confirmed.
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Has anyone told Doig yet?
He’s sniffing around |
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Hope the scunts are ready for a season of functional football, end of season loss of nerve and absolutely dire post-match interviews.
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Has anyone told Doig yet?
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If we're both up and around the playoffs it could be spicy, hope our matches against them are at decent times of the season
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One thing that has just spring to mind, makes me wonder whether he'll try n prize macca away from us..🤔🤔
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One thing that has just spring to mind, makes me wonder whether he'll try n prize macca away from us..🤔🤔
I assume he's one of our highest earners I doubt they'd pay enough extra + it'd have to be more than 2 years on the contract, also.. NO! |
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If Macca was going to move I can't really see why he'd move from a league 2 club to a league 2 club. At his age, it's got to be upwards, surely He's under contract. If Hurst came sniffing we'd surely ask a silly sum.
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If Macca was going to move I can't really see why he'd move from a league 2 club to a league 2 club. At his age, it's got to be upwards, surely He's under contract. If Hurst came sniffing we'd surely ask a silly sum.
Would be Doigs job to sniff |
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If Macca was going to move I can't really see why he'd move from a league 2 club to a league 2 club. At his age, it's got to be upwards, surely He's under contract. If Hurst came sniffing we'd surely ask a silly sum.
I’m fairness to him, I honestly think Macca is old school in his approach. I just don’t think he’d make that move for tarnishing the reputation he has here. I expect him to make the 10 year mark which is frankly remarkable at this level in this day and age. Legend. |
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Thought he might have gone to the Shrews at one time but Hurst never came calling, tbf he is more secure here than Scunny who could fire Hurst before Xmas
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Regarding Hurst, if you assume Scunny are going to spend big again this season, I think I'm right in saying that it will be the first time he's been at a club which has been one of the top few spenders in the division. There were always 3 or 4 clubs spending more than us in the Conference and Shrewsbury and Ipswich wouldn't have been spending anywhere near the bigger clubs in their respective divisions.
This being the case, anything other than promotion would be seen as failure for them. Our division is the easiest to get out of by far and, if you splash enough cash, it ought to be enough to win you promotion. Obviously, the arrival of Salford onto the scene will affect the dynamic but you'd still think the onus will be on Hurst to win promotion or bust.
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I've probably missed something but where's the assumption that Scunny are going to spend big coming from?
They're losing money at a worrying rate, Swann has already tightened the strings within the last 12 months and only loosened them in January when it became apparent they were in danger.
Everything I've read suggests that he (or his wife) has had enough and is no longer prepared to bankroll the club.
Paul Hurst isn't a manager I would be appointing if I had a lot of cash to spend.
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Regarding Hurst, if you assume Scunny are going to spend big again this season, I think I'm right in saying that it will be the first time he's been at a club which has been one of the top few spenders in the division. There were always 3 or 4 clubs spending more than us in the Conference and Shrewsbury and Ipswich wouldn't have been spending anywhere near the bigger clubs in their respective divisions.
This being the case, anything other than promotion would be seen as failure for them. Our division is the easiest to get out of by far and, if you splash enough cash, it ought to be enough to win you promotion. Obviously, the arrival of Salford onto the scene will affect the dynamic but you'd still think the onus will be on Hurst to win promotion or bust.
He doesn’t respond well to that kind of expectation does he? First season at Shrews was his style, making the rescue. Couldn’t fail, stop up and he’s a hero, go down and it was the other bloke’s fault. Then It seemed to frighten him the next year to be at the top of L1 and fans expecting him to carry on and get them automatically promoted. But he didn’t, he went back to his conservative ways, lost games to strugglers and then failed the playoffs. I think he was surprised by how hard life was at Ipswich. He was hoping for another miracle worker tag with them finishing mid-table. But Scunny? Swann will expect results from Day One and right through the season. If they fail to get automatic promotion he will not be happy. Hurst will look at the budget and see it is 4th or 5th biggest and that will be his aim in the table. Not exactly compatible. |
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Can I be the first to say it?...Hurst out.
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Can I be the first to say it?...Hurst out.
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And boy did he get lucky in that leg!!
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I thought we were by far the better team and deservedly won.
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