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Seeing as it's quiet on here....anyone watching the England U21 v Poland U21 Friendly ?  (BT Sport)

The England U21's  have won 15 and drawn two of their last 17 games....the future is looking bright.

England take the lead on 12 mins.


Oh.....and Scotland lost 3-0 to Kazakhstan earlier today  


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Watching Netherlands v Belarus and feeling so sorry for the Belarus no 4, Sods law he seems to be getting more mentions than all his team mates


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Watching Netherlands v Belarus and feeling so sorry for the Belarus no 7, Sods law he seems to be getting more mentions than all his team mates


Just thought I would say I'm not really a book reader Ipswin but my wife is......she bought the Kindle version of your book and has read it and she said it was really good.



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Just thought I would say I'm not really a book reader Ipswin but my wife is......she bought the Kindle version of your book and has read it and she said it was really good.



Thanks mate and thank your wife, much appreciated. Can you ask her to put a review on Amazon please?


And just so no one says I have hijacked this thread poor Mr Shitov is still in the thick of the action in Rotterdam


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Thanks mate and thank your wife, much appreciated. Can you ask her to put a review on Amazon please?


And just so no one says I have hijacked this thread poor Mr Shitov is still in the thick of the action in Rotterdam


Will do.

Latest.....England U21 1-1 Poland U21.....brilliant free-kick to level it from the Polish lad in the first half.



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Slightly related news, Embleton withdraws from England u20 squad with an injury picked up in the 1st half. Sorry don't know anymore details.
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Can someone please tell me why Eric Dier gets an England shirt..?,.. he's bleeding dog sh!the..
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Can someone please tell me why Eric Dier gets an England shirt..?,.. he's bleeding dog sh!the..


Gone off injured now........cmon England



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Superbly worked goal. Sterling is the master of the 6 yard box finish.


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Get in.........Sterling......England 1-0 Czech Republic


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Assuming he gets brought on I'm looking forward to seeing the highly rated Hudson-Odoi at senior level for England.


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4-0 England........it's like watching Town play Notts County earlier this season  


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Sancho & Hudson-Odoi........ how good are they?


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Quoted from Northbank Mariner
Can someone please tell me why Eric Dier gets an England shirt..?,.. he's bleeding dog sh!the..


Absolutely-we only won because he got injured. When he went off you could hear the sigh of relief across the stadium
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Sancho is hell of a player and unlucky not to score. There’s still Rashford to stick in that team as well - brilliant performance last night.
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Sancho is hell of a player and unlucky not to score. There’s still Rashford to stick in that team as well - brilliant performance last night.


Impossible to beleive sancho is only 18 he looked so comfortable and played so well, he could become even better than sterling

Not worried about pickfords club form either he’s just better when he plays for england
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Quoted from Northbank Mariner
Can someone please tell me why Eric Dier gets an England shirt..?,.. he's bleeding dog sh!the..


Did you stick a pin in his voodoo doll?


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Southgate just seems to have the midas touch.


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Southgate just seems to have the midas touch.


Not really. The difference is that he was able to scrap virtually the whole of the Rooney generation side in one go and bring in a whole new bunch with a new team spirit. He has a squad of players who have almost all known each other in Under 19/Under21 etc. They play together like mates in aSunday League side. Southgate is the surrogate parent. In a year or two Germany will have their own new younger generation of Teutonic superstars like Low did in 2010.


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Not really. The difference is that he was able to scrap virtually the whole of the Rooney generation side in one go and bring in a whole new bunch with a new team spirit. He has a squad of players who have almost all known each other in Under 19/Under21 etc. They play together like mates in aSunday League side. Southgate is the surrogate parent. In a year or two Germany will have their own new younger generation of Teutonic superstars like Low did in 2010.


I know but its all been handed in his lap.


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Well were would we be with Sam Allardyce?
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Well were would we be with Sam Allardyce?


Allardyce would not have had the advantages of Southgate would he? He had not been the youth manager so had no first hand knowledge of the young players or any relationship with them as a manager. Therefore he would have had to keep at least some of the old guard and he would not have had the same public support. As Grim Rob says, Southgate had it handed on a plate. Win/win situation.


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I can see another world cup win to go with the one I saw in 1966 in the years to come.


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I can see another world cup win to go with the one I saw in 1966 in the years to come.


You planning on becoming the world's oldest man then Pete?

Let's see how they get on against the Dutch in June



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You planning on becoming the world's oldest man then Pete?

Let's see how they get on against the Dutch in June



I have got 2 things on my bucket list Swin,

Seeing England winning the world cup again and sitting in our new stadium watching our 1st game.

If I live as long as my dad that gives me 15 years .  


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If you live a really long time Pete you could see england win the world cup in our new stadium.


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If you live a really long time Pete you could see england win the world cup in our new stadium.


I am thinking England will win the world cup before we get a new stadium Rob  


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If you live a really long time Pete you could see england win the world cup in our new stadium.


And if you live a really, really long time ....we might even have a chairman  



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Come on England.

Montenegro vs England.........Declan Rice and Callum Hudson-Odoi handed full England debuts.


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Her indoors has banished me to the shed, bloody football instead of Coronation Street.
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1-0 Montenegro.......hope we don't do a Scotland  


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Phew......1-1       (Keane for England)


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England well on top at 3-1 but has Kane touched the ball yet ?
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England well on top at 3-1 but has Kane touched the ball yet ?


Just scored  



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Speak of the devil-he just scored
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Making easy work of what could've been a tough game 👍


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We have got the makings of a great team,

Euro's we have a very good chance of winning,

Not so sure of world cup if we play in the desert,

BUT

The players are young enough to win the world cup in 2026


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Thought they were a bit sloppy. Play like that against a good team and we'll come unstuck.


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We have got the makings of a great team,

Euro's we have a very good chance of winning,

Not so sure of world cup if we play in the dessert,

BUT

The players are young enough to win the world cup in 2026


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Thought they were a bit sloppy. Play like that against a good team and we'll come unstuck.


I agree. In fact, we weren't great for a lot of the game on Friday. The scoreline then didn't entirely reflect the performance as we had a bit of luck in most of the goals. Rose in particular had a really poor game last night which was a surprise as I rate him highly.

That said, we've definitely got some very talented young attackers coming through. Neither Sancho or Hudson-Odoi look the slightest bit fazed in possession though I think both need to be a bit less casual at times, especially when we play more capable opposition. Barclay has done well since he came in but I'm still not convinced by our midfield in general and ultimately, neither Henderson or Dier is up to it at the top level. Rice was surprisingly sloppy in possession during his performances, I thought, though he otherwise read the game well and got his foot in where required.

Kane a very classy player even when he has a relatively quiet game but we need another striking option available because we can't rely on him to shoulder all the burden of leading the line as his gradual decline last summer showed. Not sure if Rashford is that type of a player as it stands.
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Henderson isn't up to it at the top level, the captain of a team that is getting to champions league finals and challenging for the premier league title? I agree about Dier though. Our players have great cutting edge qualities, which is good because we don't have to play that well yet score 10 goals in 2 games.
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In Sterling whom I have slated venomously in the past they genuinely have a World Class talent along with Kane who will tear teams apart for the next 5-6 years at least. The way he has upped his game to fulfill his early potential at Liverpool in the last 18 Months is nothing short of sensational.Last night albeit against limited opposition he ran the game and showed why for me he is easily the most improved player in World football and will go on with the likes of Hazard to take over from Messi and Ronaldo.
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Baffled by the criticism on here in relation to these two performances especially after the pain we have all suffered over many years watching England grind out results. Short memories as we actually knocked Spain out the Euro league albeit we won one and lost one.

Hudson-Odoi is on these two showings the brightest prospect since Rooney and looked so comfortable on the ball. It was his first start, as it was for Rice, so being a bit sloppy is probably to be expected. Don’t we say just that about our own Harry Clifton and these two are younger than him so let’s give them some slack. Until the World Cup I was no fan of Henderson but his performances during that time and since have convinced me he is good enough.

I think the commentary said 14 players unavailable last night so that would include Stones, Gomes, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Rashford, Lingard, Sancho & Shaw so add those guys to the mix and I believe there is every reason to be optimistic.

Ten goals in two games and Kane only scored two of them is another plus as shows we are not going to be reliant on his goals and for the first time in years we have real pace and should Kane have to miss out for any reason a front three of Sterling, Rashford and Hudson-Odoi would be pretty frightening for any defensive set up to deal with.
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Baffled by the criticism on here in relation to these two performances especially after the pain we have all suffered over many years watching England grind out results. Short memories as we actually knocked Spain out the Euro league albeit we won one and lost one.

Hudson-Odoi is on these two showings the brightest prospect since Rooney and looked so comfortable on the ball. It was his first start, as it was for Rice, so being a bit sloppy is probably to be expected. Don’t we say just that about our own Harry Clifton and these two are younger than him so let’s give them some slack. Until the World Cup I was no fan of Henderson but his performances during that time and since have convinced me he is good enough.

I think the commentary said 14 players unavailable last night so that would include Stones, Gomes, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Rashford, Lingard, Sancho & Shaw so add those guys to the mix and I believe there is every reason to be optimistic.

Ten goals in two games and Kane only scored two of them is another plus as shows we are not going to be reliant on his goals and for the first time in years we have real pace and should Kane have to miss out for any reason a front three of Sterling, Rashford and Hudson-Odoi would be pretty frightening for any defensive set up to deal with.


The proof will come in a while when these young players are a bit older and more agent savvy. Just now they are like kids on a summer camp with their teacher but once they become “stars” life seems to change. Rooney was tremendous when he first came into the England side as a lad at Everton remember. Then the lure of the big time came along. I’m not saying this will happen to them all but the test of the manager will be what he does when he has to balance off field matters with the football on the pitch.



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I'm not going to analyse the games or performances. All i know is that for the first time in a very long time, i actually enjoy watching England play. We may or may not win a major competition, but we certainly are back in the elite group of countries on a world and European stage now, which looked miles away when we lost to Iceland with the same dull, boring, predictable fare. We have just swept away two sides that in the past we would have struggled to break down. I think last time we played there it was 1-1, so we can't complain too much. I also think we are only going to get better, so i'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.
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There was a period from about 60 to 80 minutes where we absolutely outstanding last night. Sancho is the one that really excites me though.
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Let's wait and see how they get on in the Nations League semi against the Dutch in June first.


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Nothing wrong with being critical of the things which weren't done correctly even if a lot of goals have been scored. You would expect that Southgate and his coaching team would be saying the same thing with the view to cutting out the mistakes.

It's all very well giving relative minnows a drubbing without playing particularly well, but you need to aim to to get into the habit of performances with as few errors as possible because the better teams won't let you off the hook if you cough up possession cheaply time and again.

I think we've got some decent enough defenders (when on form), some good young attackers, so the key area is getting the midfield sorted out to make us into real contenders for trophies.

I think Barkley has probably done enough to get a place in the team in the last two games and you can't complain about much of his play. He certainly has the ability as well as the physique and it is good to see him actually getting some game time at Chelsea after disappearing off the map for a year due to injury. On the other hand, Dier is one I wouldn't want to see in midfield as he's just a little too cumbersome but I do think he could certainly be a capable central defender. I'm not fully convinced by Keane or Tarkowski at the back - they remind me too much of Cahill who was never quite up to it at international level. However, if Dier isn't playing at the back for his club, he shouldn't be playing there for England.

Henderson is a decent player, just not one who can quite hack it at the top international level - in my opinion, of course. He's now won 50 caps for England (many against 'minnows') but has yet to score. Even though he plays a relatively defensive midfield role, this isn't a good return and he's only scored a couple of goals in European competition as well. I'd say he's similar to Milner - he'll always put in a shift, show one or two good bits of play and make few errors, but it's not quite enough to make him a high-level international player. That said, I think he's probably worth his place at present as we don't really have anyone much better to play, but I think we'll need more in the longer term.

Edit:  Forgot to say, I agree that it is almost unbelievable the degree that Sterling has improved. For many years, he never looked as though he would score goals regularly but he's developed into a really good finisher. A surprise, as I have always thought good finishing wasn't something which could be 'learned', being more of a temperament. It has turned him into a really good player and it was noticeable that he didn't chuck himself to the ground in his old manner in either of the recent games.
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Let's wait and see how they get on in the Nations League semi against the Dutch in June first.


I agree but for once there have been parts of games to enjoy from an England side so fair do's to them.

It is such a pity that they have to be in the PL, a lot of them would do much better to go abroad and they would get more game time there. The money in the PL is so overpowering and job security for managers so poor that nobody wants to risk giving young players game time for fear of losing games. So all they get is the less important cup games and they have to pretend to be happy with it. Foden for sure should get away from Manchester asap and be a regular somewhere. Likewise Hudsonhyphen, these lads should be starting first XI games and playing 30 a season by now.


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It's a shame Hudson-Odoi (less letters!) didn't get his move to Bayern a couple of months ago.


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Let's wait and see how they get on in the Nations League semi against the Dutch in June first.


Hopefully the same as the Germans did the other night.


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thank you to the guy who got Allardyce in trouble!

Southgate is a breath of fresh air, love the guy, and love the job he is doing.

Sterling is world class, and still showing everyone how its done, despite all the stick he has got in the past year, well done that guy!

Kane is a proper number 9, scores for fun.

Sancho & Hudson-odoi both young and look very exciting

This weekend has been class IMO, and this is without Rashford...
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Nothing wrong with being critical of the things which weren't done correctly even if a lot of goals have been scored. You would expect that Southgate and his coaching team would be saying the same thing with the view to cutting out the mistakes.

It's all very well giving relative minnows a drubbing without playing particularly well, but you need to aim to to get into the habit of performances with as few errors as possible because the better teams won't let you off the hook if you cough up possession cheaply time and again.

I think we've got some decent enough defenders (when on form), some good young attackers, so the key area is getting the midfield sorted out to make us into real contenders for trophies.

I think Barkley has probably done enough to get a place in the team in the last two games and you can't complain about much of his play. He certainly has the ability as well as the physique and it is good to see him actually getting some game time at Chelsea after disappearing off the map for a year due to injury. On the other hand, Dier is one I wouldn't want to see in midfield as he's just a little too cumbersome but I do think he could certainly be a capable central defender. I'm not fully convinced by Keane or Tarkowski at the back - they remind me too much of Cahill who was never quite up to it at international level. However, if Dier isn't playing at the back for his club, he shouldn't be playing there for England.

Henderson is a decent player, just not one who can quite hack it at the top international level - in my opinion, of course. He's now won 50 caps for England (many against 'minnows') but has yet to score. Even though he plays a relatively defensive midfield role, this isn't a good return and he's only scored a couple of goals in European competition as well. I'd say he's similar to Milner - he'll always put in a shift, show one or two good bits of play and make few errors, but it's not quite enough to make him a high-level international player. That said, I think he's probably worth his place at present as we don't really have anyone much better to play, but I think we'll need more in the longer term.

Edit:  Forgot to say, I agree that it is almost unbelievable the degree that Sterling has improved. For many years, he never looked as though he would score goals regularly but he's developed into a really good finisher. A surprise, as I have always thought good finishing wasn't something which could be 'learned', being more of a temperament. It has turned him into a really good player and it was noticeable that he didn't chuck himself to the ground in his old manner in either of the recent games.


Jordan Henderson is vastly underrated by some. An engine as good as any, reads the game well, extremely quick to close players down, wins more than his fair share of tackles, rarely out of position, keeps the midfield balanced and pops up with the odd assist or defence-splitting pass, what's not to like as a foil for the attacking 4/5? I wouldn't imagine his goalscoring record is considered in the slightest by Southgate or Klopp..
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The team has not convinced a few on here,

BUT

10 Goals in 2 games when you are playing average tells me we have a team to be proud of,

These players will only get better so hopeful we will win something,

Its been a long time since 1966.


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We're unbeaten in 41 WC and Euro qualifying games, winning 32 of them. No other team has a record even remotely like that including Germany France etc. Yet people still say wait till we come up against the better teams. What more can England do? Perhaps give the Spanish a two goal lead in their own back yard and still win?

We are now playing champagne football and scoring for fun with a very young team that can only get better. The critism is unwarranted. Enjoy the ride.
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We're unbeaten in 41 WC and Euro qualifying games, winning 32 of them. No other team has a record even remotely like that including Germany France etc. Yet people still say wait till we come up against the better teams. What more can England do? Perhaps give the Spanish a two goal lead in their own back yard and still win?

We are now playing champagne football and scoring for fun with a very young team that can only get better. The critism is unwarranted. Enjoy the ride.


Beat more of the better teams. Spain are not the force they were. We couldn't even beat Croatia. We lot twice against Belgium.


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Thought we did beat Croatia at Wembley
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I thought we probably over-achieved at the world cup but we've progressed a lot since then. Given the age of the squad it seems a fair assumption that improvement will continue. If anybody can't take pleasure from watching England at the moment then it's probably time to stop watching them.
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Thought we did beat Croatia at Wembley


Perhaps he should have added 'when it mattered'



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I thought we probably over-achieved at the world cup but we've progressed a lot since then. Given the age of the squad it seems a fair assumption that improvement will continue. If anybody can't take pleasure from watching England at the moment then it's probably time to stop watching them.


I am currently taking great pleasure from watching England mainly because they are scoring lots of goals against no hopers, something which they often failed to do

I just don't want to get all carried away in the 'over the top rose tinted specs' thing that happened at the World Cup where, Colombia excepted we beat no one, and the golden boot winner was just the king of the penalties.

I want to see how our defence copes against the Dutch in June which is our next meaningful match and how prolific our super strike force is against a side rated above 50th in the world


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I am currently taking great pleasure from watching England mainly because they are scoring lots of goals against no hopers, something which they often failed to do

I just don't want to get all carried away in the 'over the top rose tinted specs' thing that happened at the World Cup where, Colombia excepted we beat no one, and the golden boot winner was just the king of the penalties.

I want to see how our defence copes against the Dutch in June which is our next meaningful match and how prolific our super strike force is against a side rated above 50th in the world


What you mean like when we beat Spain away recently? Or Holland this time last year? I don't think anyone's getting over-excited because we've all been there before, but seeing the national team play with freedom and flair is a good thing, surely, and we haven't seen too much of it in the last 20 years.

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Perhaps he should have added 'when it mattered'



My God, you are an insufferable bore. You simply cannot let anyone of here give a positive opinion regarding anything.

Other than maybe France and Belgium, I’d say we’re currently the next best team out there, and improving. I have absolutely no doubt that when we win the Nations League final, you’ll simply dismiss it as a Mickey Mouse tournament not worth entering anyway.
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What you mean like when we beat Spain away recently? Or Holland this time last year? I don't think anyone's getting over-excited because we've all been there before, but seeing the national team play with freedom and flair is a good thing, surely, and we haven't seen too much of it in the last 20 years.



Grimsby Town could have beaten Holland this time last year FFS and Spain haven't been the same since the Dutch did them 5-1 in 2010, yes they're good sides compared to Montenegro et al but folk are getting all excited on the back of 10 goals in two games and those games (and goals) are not a true reflection of where we are.

As I said before seeing England actually stuff, rather than misfire against, lesser sides is most enjoyable, long may it continue.



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My God, you are an insufferable bore. You simply cannot let anyone of here give a positive opinion regarding anything.

Other than maybe France and Belgium, I’d say we’re currently the next best team out there, and improving. I have absolutely no doubt that when we win the Nations League final, you’ll simply dismiss it as a Mickey Mouse tournament not worth entering anyway.


If he does say that I would have to agree. It is just a manufactured tournament to give some sort of point to international fixtures between the major ones. Nice morale booster to win but not something that shows the true status of a side.



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Back to the game, it was a refreshing change for England to play in their traditional strip instead of wearing a fashion statement.

I'm  surprised we didn't  play in all blue because our red away strip would have clashed with their red strip.
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My God, you are an insufferable bore. You simply cannot let anyone of here give a positive opinion regarding anything.

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You don't think the game we lost against Croatia in the WC was more important than the one when we beat them in the Nations League?

People can give as many positive opinions as they like, it doesn't mean I have to agree with them or that they are right. Putting five past a couple of lower ranked sides means nowt other than being entertaining. It's promising I grant you, we normally struggle against the crap sides we should be beating easily, but those type of sides won't be in WC quarters or semis. There are a lot more than just Fance and Belgium ahead of us at the moment



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Plenty of optimism about, and rightly so.  The squad has a lot of depth to it, 2/3 players per many positions. Ive rated Keane for some time at center half, never understood why United let him go, as no one there since or now is better.  

Think we are retaining possession much better than we used to, passing for the most part is very neat. tidy and incisive when needed. Still a bit of sloppiness about the 2 full backs, but side should do very very well in the future.
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Thought we did beat Croatia at Wembley


I'm talking about the World Cup. That little tournament.


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You don't think the game we lost against Croatia in the WC was more important than the one when we beat them in the Nations League?

People can give as many positive opinions as they like, it doesn't mean I have to agree with them or that they are right. Putting five past a couple of lower ranked sides means nowt other than being entertaining. It's promising I grant you, we normally struggle against the crap sides we should be beating easily, but those type of sides won't be in WC quarters or semis. There are a lot more than just Fance and Belgium ahead of us at the moment



Dear me Swin. You're not allowed to pont out that England have failings you know. Now repeat after me:

England are world beaters
The cheques in the post
I won't c... in your m...h


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At last, we are playing the correct way. God, it has taken decades, but the penny has finally dropped.

One game that springs to mind in recent years was a game versus Italy in a competitive game. We spent the entire 90, then 120 minutes giving the ball back to them and had no conception whatsoever of how to keep the ball and keep starting new moves from deep to wear the opposition down.

The contrast between then and now is stark; we are at last able to compete on the international stage. The players are probably no better than we have always had, but they are playing the way international football should and needs to be played and enormous credit should be given to the manager for that.  
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At last, we are playing the correct way. God, it has taken decades, but the penny has finally dropped.

One game that springs to mind in recent years was a game versus Italy in a competitive game. We spent the entire 90, then 120 minutes giving the ball back to them and had no conception whatsoever of how to keep the ball and keep starting new moves from deep to wear the opposition down.

The contrast between then and now is stark; we are at last able to compete on the international stage. The players are probably no better than we have always had, but they are playing the way international football should and needs to be played and enormous credit should be given to the manager for that.  


I'd agree with that.


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At last, we are playing the correct way. God, it has taken decades, but the penny has finally dropped.

One game that springs to mind in recent years was a game versus Italy in a competitive game. We spent the entire 90, then 120 minutes giving the ball back to them and had no conception whatsoever of how to keep the ball and keep starting new moves from deep to wear the opposition down.

The contrast between then and now is stark; we are at last able to compete on the international stage. The players are probably no better than we have always had, but they are playing the way international football should and needs to be played and enormous credit should be given to the manager for that.  


EURO 2012 QF, an absolute horror show, explained well by your good self. I remember John Terry holding us together, but other than that we were horrendous. As you say, we could do nothing with the ball, and Pirlo, whilst not playing that well, still made our midfield look like school kids. Awful stuff.
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At last, we are playing the correct way. God, it has taken decades, but the penny has finally dropped.

One game that springs to mind in recent years was a game versus Italy in a competitive game. We spent the entire 90, then 120 minutes giving the ball back to them and had no conception whatsoever of how to keep the ball and keep starting new moves from deep to wear the opposition down.

The contrast between then and now is stark; we are at last able to compete on the international stage. The players are probably no better than we have always had, but they are playing the way international football should and needs to be played and enormous credit should be given to the manager for that.  


The biggest difference is the change in the players. This is what has affected the way England plays. It is a much younger set up now the old guard has gone. Here are athletic players with pace and many of them have “grown up” together in the junior sides so they have instant team spirit. They are also so far undistracted by the media publishing photos of them in clubs, bent supercars or using illegal substances or whatever.

When you look at the junior sides as well, the composition is different. Yes there is good coaching but we have often had that for Young England. Peter Taylor did a brilliant job with the golden generation but it was wasted. The current trend shows a lot of working class black players coming into the game and coaches actually trying to use their natural athleticism. Previously coaches seemed to want black players to play like white players, Viv Anderson, Carlton Palmer, the Fashanus etc were black versions of the white player they might have replaced. Only a few had their talents really used, perhaps Cyrille Regis and Laurie Cunningham at WBA? Now we see pace and power being utilised and methods changed to get the most from them.

Southgate was in on the ground floor of this so he is just continuing the process. The players know him, many are young and impressionable. With him they are like kids on a summer camp with their teacher. The test for him will come when big decisions need to be made during KO games and if some of these lads with talent develop independent attitudes that are maybe not so good for team spirit as they get a bit older. In the meantime perhaps we should just enjoy the ride and see what happens.



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Southgate is a massive breath of fresh air.Many including me thought when he was appointed it was to continue with the nodding dog Manager in office. Nothing could be farther from the truth and his coolness under pressure is a massive thing especially with Tournament football. Roy Hodgson with his vast experience completely floundered when he had the opportunity. I genuinely think England are looking likely to win a tournament in the next 4 years and in my opinion at this moment in time were 2nd only to France.
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You could be right Micky, I do hope so. The only thing is that same argument - it was a weak World Cup group and a great draw but we still failed to win the games that mattered or get to the final, fresh air or stale air. The Euros may give us a bit more of a clue.


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Quoted from 1mickylyons
Southgate is a massive breath of fresh air.Many including me thought when he was appointed it was to continue with the nodding dog Manager in office. Nothing could be farther from the truth and his coolness under pressure is a massive thing especially with Tournament football. Roy Hodgson with his vast experience completely floundered when he had the opportunity. I genuinely think England are looking likely to win a tournament in the next 4 years and in my opinion at this moment in time were 2nd only to France.


Hold my hands up as someone who was gutted when Southgate got the job. Thought he would be gone in a year and back managing in the Championship. Happy I was completely wrong. As well as the results he is getting, I think it's clear he's actually a sound bloke and is a good ambassador for our country.

The England football teams (mens, youth and women) all seem to be absolutely flying at the moment. Well done to the FA - they often get hammered when stuff goes wrong but there is loads being done right at the moment.



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Quoted from 1mickylyons
Southgate is a massive breath of fresh air.Many including me thought when he was appointed it was to continue with the nodding dog Manager in office. Nothing could be farther from the truth and his coolness under pressure is a massive thing especially with Tournament football. Roy Hodgson with his vast experience completely floundered when he had the opportunity. I genuinely think England are looking likely to win a tournament in the next 4 years and in my opinion at this moment in time were 2nd only to France.


Surely we're 4th best as that's where we placed in the World Cup! Belgium beat us twice in the same tournament...
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