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You dont want shouting at a football match?

Take away the passion then the game is dead. I would stress i am not talking about violence or serious threatening behaviour but singing chanting and cheering is a major part of English football as is barracking the opposition

What a strange animal you are!


I'm not talking about chanting or cheering, I'm talking about the people that are swearing and being aggressive. That's not behaviour that you want your kids to see and think it's ok. Somehow people think because you're in a football stadium, it's ok to gesticulate the male masturbator sign at a complete stranger and swear at people giving it the Billy big bollox. It's not ok, anywhere.

Don't tell me you think fans are getting banning orders for singing "MARINERS" too passionately.

I also think that drunken behaviour from football fans in public is a problem. The drunk people and most of the non drunk supporters of the same team think it's just a bit of fun, but being a non football match attendee around this sort of behaviour can be quite intimidating. Even though there is little chance of it being anything other than loud and obnoxious.
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I'm not talking about chanting or cheering, I'm talking about the people that are swearing and being aggressive. That's not behaviour that you want your kids to see and think it's ok. Somehow people think because you're in a football stadium, it's ok to gesticulate the male masturbator sign at a complete stranger and swear at people giving it the Billy big bollox. It's not ok, anywhere.

Don't tell me you think fans are getting banning orders for singing "MARINERS" too passionately.

I also think that drunken behaviour from football fans in public is a problem. The drunk people and most of the non drunk supporters of the same team think it's just a bit of fun, but being a non football match attendee around this sort of behaviour can be quite intimidating. Even though there is little chance of it being anything other than loud and obnoxious.



Kids will hear and pick up far worse language at school!

There needs to be room for a wide variety of fans at all grounds, sections for families, sections for the prawn sandwich brigade but also sections for those who want to chant and sing to get behind their team AND to try and intimate the opposition. Never been any different.
I understand the Lower Smiths can be a hotbed, certainly for the bigger games, yet I choose not to sit there. Football cannot and in my view, should not, try to alienate youngsters, youths, pensioners or anyone in between.

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I'm not talking about chanting or cheering, I'm talking about the people that are swearing and being aggressive. That's not behaviour that you want your kids to see and think it's ok. Somehow people think because you're in a football stadium, it's ok to gesticulate the male masturbator sign at a complete stranger and swear at people giving it the Billy big bollox. It's not ok, anywhere.

Don't tell me you think fans are getting banning orders for singing "MARINERS" too passionately.

I also think that drunken behaviour from football fans in public is a problem. The drunk people and most of the non drunk supporters of the same team think it's just a bit of fun, but being a non football match attendee around this sort of behaviour can be quite intimidating. Even though there is little chance of it being anything other than loud and obnoxious.


I've been watching Town for over 50 years and it isn't that much different now to what it was in the 60s.

As regards kids seeing it, just watch any game on TV and in close ups of the crowd you see young kids gesticulating more than the adults.
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Wondered how long it would be before that old chestnut came out. Have you ever thought that if you do nothing wrong the police will have nothing to get over zealous about?


You obviously don't get to many away grounds, I've never been in trouble with plod but I've been told where I can and can't go, been kettled into places I don't want to be and generally treated like a hooligan.

Most plod don't give a toss whether you are a trouble maker or not.
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You obviously don't get to many away grounds, I've never been in trouble with plod but I've been told where I can and can't go, been kettled into places I don't want to be and generally treated like a hooligan.

Most plod don't give a toss whether you are a trouble maker or not.


Exactly, and I'm 64. Hate being stopped for walking down the street, having a quiet pint and being pushed and shoved just because I am attending a football match.

IMO I believe this is happening more and more because of the inflamed reputation passed on to other forces and clubs by one person!
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Exactly, and I'm 64. Hate being stopped for walking down the street, having a quiet pint and being pushed and shoved just because I am attending a football match.

IMO I believe this is happening more and more because of the inflamed reputation passed on to other forces and clubs by one person!


Indeed, it was the excuse Stevenage cited last year for their unreasonable treatment of Town fans.


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Someone on "Vital Lincoln" having another dig at GTFC........

https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/another-table-grimsby-are-top-of.87675/



Most Lincoln fans avoid it so don't worry.

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Is it really worth having dozens of police at a football match watching out to see if anyone makes the male masturbator sign (or similar)? Wouldn't they be better off looking for shoplifters or drug dealers who perpetrate crimes with a far greater social cost than a gesture between two drunken supporters separated by a stand?

I am not saying it is not a crime, simply that most reported crimes are never solved. I've always suspected the police can make their own figures look better by finding their own minor "crimes" to balance out some of the unsolved ones. Let's say there are 10 shoplifting incidents in the town centre on a Saturday afternoon. The police would do well to even solve 2 of these, so 20% success rate. On the other hand then can arrest 5 D&D fans and 5 for gestures and BINGO they can have a 50% success rate while forgetting about all those awkward shoplifters, many of whom are professional thieves and good at what they do, as opposed to the easy pickings at the match.


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Is it really worth having dozens of police at a football match watching out to see if anyone makes the male masturbator sign (or similar)? Wouldn't they be better off looking for shoplifters or drug dealers who perpetrate crimes with a far greater social cost than a gesture between two drunken supporters separated by a stand?

I am not saying it is not a crime, simply that most reported crimes are never solved. I've always suspected the police can make their own figures look better by finding their own minor "crimes" to balance out some of the unsolved ones. Let's say there are 10 shoplifting incidents in the town centre on a Saturday afternoon. The police would do well to even solve 2 of these, so 20% success rate. On the other hand then can arrest 5 D&D fans and 5 for gestures and BINGO they can have a 50% success rate while forgetting about all those awkward shoplifters, many of whom are professional thieves and good at what they do, as opposed to the easy pickings at the match.


And there you have it in a nutshell, but it's been going on for decades.
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