I'm not knocking Michael Jolley but.....

Can anyone ever remember a time when GTFC fans would have been thrilled with the appointment of a manager with no experience of managing in English league football?

The 9 months of Slade have ripped the guts out of any positivity created by a promotion that's less than 2 years ago. It begs the question to the board ' WTF were you thinking?'

Good luck Michael - you've got one hell of a job in front of you, completely created by the board's previous appointment.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Can anyone ever remember a time when GTFC fans would have been thrilled with the appointment of a manager with no experience of managing in English league football?

He does have experience of managing in England, he was the manager of Burnley's under 23s

What about Brian Laws?

Bournemouth fans could have said the same thing about Eddie Howe when he was appointed when they were in L2 below us. That didn't work out too badly for them.

Quoted from RonMariner

Bournemouth fans could have said the same thing about Eddie Howe when he was appointed when they were in L2 below us. That didn't work out too badly for them.

As I say Ron, not knocking him one bit. Consider where we were a year ago though and look what damage has been done since.

I'm hoping he will do fine and the board will have lucked in.

He's pretty much untried and there's no much chance he'd have got another job in the league at the minute. We are totally desperate and have had to take a chance.

We need a miracle worker to stay up and if we do then Jolley is that man,

Most people quite rightly saying we have to beat Barnet and Chesterfield to have any hope plus Port Vale next week,

Well we have only won 4 home games up to now so to win 2 or 3 of our last 5 will be a miracle.

Good luck Michael you will need it mate.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

As I say Ron, not knocking him one bit. Consider where we were a year ago though and look what damage has been done since.

I think we can all agree he has a massive job on.

I am not sure we can stay up with the players we have available. The squad needs almost a total  clear out and start again from scratch. It may be that the rebuild will happen in the conference rather than L2. I hope not, but Slade and Wilkinson have destroyed our prospects. the pair of them should never darken out doors again.

Quoted from RonMariner

I think we can all agree he has a massive job on.

I am not sure we can stay up with the players we have available. The squad needs almost a total  clear out and start again from scratch. It may be that the rebuild will happen in the conference rather than L2. I hope not, but Slade and Wilkinson have destroyed our prospects. the pair of them should never darken out doors again.

Every manager has struggled under Fenty. He is the only constant in the whole sorry saga and until he goes we will always struggle.

If Jolley performs a miracle and keeps us up, which I doubt bearing in mind the players he has inherited, Fenty will take the plaudits and the heat will be off him until the next time. He might even be carried shoulder high from the pitch at FGR.

Fault is in the boardroom penny pinching has cost our club with the results we are seeing and if it costs us our league position....

I’ll never forget the sight of fenty being carried around the pitch at Bournemouth thinking he was billy big time . All I was thinking was you’re a t.wat .

And I still think that

Quoted from RonMariner

I think we can all agree he has a massive job on.

I am not sure we can stay up with the players we have available. The squad needs almost a total  clear out and start again from scratch. It may be that the rebuild will happen in the conference rather than L2. I hope not, but Slade and Wilkinson have destroyed our prospects. the pair of them should never darken out doors again.

The board are the ones who appointed them. It is there bad decisions over the years that have dragged this club down to this level. 3 of the directors have put next to sodomist all into the club. They along with the one who has put money into the club. the decision maker have ripped the heart out of the club I love. I will never forgive them for this. The day they leave this club will be the day that GTFC will be able to look forward until then these idiots will carry on destroying the club. It feels like it is deliberate to me.

Quoted from Cambs Mariner

The board are the ones who appointed them. It is there bad decisions over the years that have dragged this club down to this level. 3 of the directors have put next to sodomist all into the club. They along with the one who has put money into the club. the decision maker have ripped the heart out of the club I love. I will never forgive them for this. The day they leave this club will be the day that GTFC will be able to look forward until then these idiots will carry on destroying the club. It feels like it is deliberate to me.

Nothing to add - the day that Fenty, Day, Marley & Chapman have nothing to do with running GTFC cannot come soon enough.

Come on then come clean, who on here carried Fenty shoulder high at Bournemouth?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Can anyone ever remember a time when GTFC fans would have been thrilled with the appointment of a manager with no experience of managing in English league football?

The 9 months of Slade have ripped the guts out of any positivity created by a promotion that's less than 2 years ago. It begs the question to the board ' WTF were you thinking?'

Good luck Michael - you've got one hell of a job in front of you, completely created by the board's previous appointment.

Paul Hurst

Quoted from Davec

Come on then come clean, who on here carried Fenty shoulder high at Bournemouth?

Not me I was in the stands shaking my head in disbelief. Not at the fans who were joyous, but in Fenty in putting himself in that position. That one instance tells you all you need to know about the mindset of the man.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Can anyone ever remember a time when GTFC fans would have been thrilled with the appointment of a manager with no experience of managing in English league football?

The 9 months of Slade have ripped the guts out of any positivity created by a promotion that's less than 2 years ago. It begs the question to the board ' WTF were you thinking?'

Good luck Michael - you've got one hell of a job in front of you, completely created by the board's previous appointment.

Possibly not, but every time the job is vacant there's dozens of people on here and social media clamouring for people like Disley, McDermott, Stockdale, B.Davies, Collins etc etc.

So there will have been plenty delighted had people like that got it.

For me, whether they've managed in the Football League is not as important as the man you're getting.
What's his playing philosophy, coaching philosophy, mindset, man management, what's he like as a coach, can he set a team up to win a game, is he tactically clever and able to implement ideas, etc etc.

If you think someone's good at the above, is it important that he's managed in England before?

Jolley might excel at all those things I've mentioned. He might not. But there's probably plenty of Managers we could've appointed with FL experience who might fall short in several of the areas I mention.

We'll see.

Quoted from Tommy

Possibly not, but every time the job is vacant there's dozens of people on here and social media clamouring for people like Disley, McDermott, Stockdale, B.Davies, Collins etc etc.

So there will have been plenty delighted had people like that got it.

For me, whether they've managed in the Football League is not as important as the man you're getting.
What's his playing philosophy, coaching philosophy, mindset, man management, what's he like as a coach, can he set a team up to win a game, is he tactically clever and able to implement ideas, etc etc.

If you think someone's good at the above, is it important that he's managed in England before?

Jolley might excel at all those things I've mentioned. He might not. But there's probably plenty of Managers we could've appointed with FL experience who might fall short in several of the areas I mention.

We'll see.

If memory serves me right he has either an A Licence or a pro Licence so he’ll know how to build session plans and coach, he also talked about environment on that Sheffield TV thing so he clearly recognises the importance of how it feels to be a Town player. Looking at the clip where he talks through how his side beat Malmo he thinks about game plans and set up.

We’ll see if he has the skills to build a side on a small budget and the emotional intelligence to influence hungry and honest players to sign for GTFC

Quoted from Davec

Come on then come clean, who on here carried Fenty shoulder high at Bournemouth?

Can you see yourself in this video? Plenty to cringe at!

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Can't watch that video. The sick bucket is in the shed.

I was in the stand in utter disbelief that the man causing our problems was being paraded as a hero. He's still here and making the same mistakes that took us out the league the first time.

I’m such an attention seeker that I’ve brought this back to everyone’s attention if that makes sense .

After watching that video again all I can say is thank fook there is only 1 John fenty

Tell me i am wrong but didn’t the board say we will be quality signings when Slade was in charge ? Maybe MJ will get the better players in for good value for money, you never know he might turn to overseas players

I sit in the main stand and often hear one big loud-mouthed goon above all others that goon on the board.

Next season I will be moving away from the mouth of the Humber.

Sits there giving it big to the opposition managers if only he could hear his own voice or maybe that is the problem arrogant prat.

If we had to get rid of our best players in January, it only goes to show that there isn't enough investment or forward thinking in the boardroom. First instinct always is to cut costs rather than explore how to increase income or investment to accommodate the cost of talent we need to move forward. It is a fact that GTFC can only have successful seasons in non league when the cloth is cut to JF's pocket or methodology, and even then it's down to having one of the largest incomes based on fan contribution. Half the clubs in League One operate on gates of less than 5k, never mind all but a handful in League Two. The club is bankrupt of cash and bankrupt of ideas to effect a radical change. Part of me still thinks that JF doesn't want to get out as much as he protests. Hopefully over time MJ will completely refresh the playing side. To build on this exciting appointment, I hope the board don't sit on their laurels and press ahead as promised to address the shortcomings of the club on the non playing side..

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

After watching that video again all I can say is thank fook there is only 1 John fenty

Yeah but we really showed Bournemouth that day. How to survive, learn lessons, bond together and move onto bigger, better things. Where are they now eh?

It feels to me like the decision has been made that there will be no further investment. We don't seem to have the budget you'd expect for a club who sold a player for £1million just over a year ago. At a guess was a decision made in Jan to cut costs to attempt to break even on the basis of dwindling attendances and no cup runs? Would explain the reticence to sack Slade and perhaps driven by a false perception of safety.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

It feels to me like the decision has been made that there will be no further investment. We don't seem to have the budget you'd expect for a club who sold a player for £1million just over a year ago. At a guess was a decision made in Jan to cut costs to attempt to break even on the basis of dwindling attendances and no cup runs? Would explain the reticence to sack Slade and perhaps driven by a false perception of safety.

It'll be interesting to see how much money is taken out by directors this season...

I don't think there will be much to take will there? No Wembley, negligible player sales income, no cup runs, dwindling attendances. I wonder if it's more a case of not having to prop up a loss and see loans increase?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I don't think there will be much to take will there? No Wembley, negligible player sales income, no cup runs, dwindling attendances. I wonder if it's more a case of not having to prop up a loss and see loans increase?

If we're paying as low wages as people are suggesting then there might still be some left. We still sold 3,000 ST which is more than a lot of teams in this league get altogether for games. Having said that, we have signed an abundance of shite so it's perhaps volume that is pushing costs up.

In many ways, Jolley cannot lose between now and the end of the season. If he keeps us up, he will be an instant hero. If he doesn't, then the blame will fall where it deserves to - on his predecessor, the players and the board who have presided over this sorry season. What concerns me beyond May is whether he will get the backing he needs to conduct the clearout that is needed and build a competitive squad for next season.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I don't think there will be much to take will there? No Wembley, negligible player sales income, no cup runs, dwindling attendances. I wonder if it's more a case of not having to prop up a loss and see loans increase?

I think you may be right Rodders. However, to go from the position of having 3000 season ticket holders, and another 2000 paying on the day, and selling a player for £1m to having to have a clear out of talent and hoovering up journeymen by the busload smacks gross financial incompetence. If Slade's brief was to cut the wage bill he went about it in a strange way and the board must have sanctioned Bignot's spree in Jan 2017 (or if they didn't where the intercourse is the financial control).

Quoted from ginnywings

Can't watch that video. The sick bucket is in the shed.

Rather watch that than the post match stuff at Burton  I only hope FGR are ready (if it goes that far - I'm afraid it might as Chesterfield play Barnet on the last day)

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I think you may be right Rodders. However, to go from the position of having 3000 season ticket holders, and another 2000 paying on the day, and selling a player for £1m to having to have a clear out of talent and hoovering up journeymen by the busload smacks gross financial incompetence. If Slade's brief was to cut the wage bill he went about it in a strange way and the board must have sanctioned Bignot's spree in Jan 2017 (or if they didn't where the intercourse is the financial control).

I wouldn't disagree at all but welcome to the wonderful world of GTFC I guess. Maybe this explains the board antipathy to Operation Promotion though. If the fans raise £110k and gift it to the club that makes it very hard for a director to take a chunk of money out to reduce their loans.

It's clear we had too many players draining the budget, and if you decide it needs cutting, the only players other sides will be interested in are the better ones on the books. I think the board took the view that we would probably be safe, so out those players go and we limp along to he end of the season. The limp has developed into a crawl and it's too late to undo the damage. All this has been compounded by falling gates and less money coming through the turnstiles. They have between them created the perfect storm. Masses of average players have taken us exactly where it took us last time. I'm also wondering if there is an exit strategy going on here.

Quoted from mariner91

It'll be interesting to see how much money is taken out by directors this season...

You soon got 2 red crosses for that - wonder who that might be!

It's difficult to say how good manager he was in Sweden.

AFC did perform terrible when he arrived, but I think almost everyone in Sweden agreed that it was mostly down to choosing the wrong manager at the start of the season. AFC was famous for playing an attacking, passing oriented football. Then they hired the opposite type of manager (Pelle Olsson) when they got promoted to Allsvenskan.

So it's difficult to say: how much better did AFC perform just because they had such a bad manager fit, and how much better did they perform because Jolley did good things?

Despite being a team in the bottom of the table, they did have some quality players that no other team in the bottom of the league had. Mohamed Buya Turay and Omar Eddahri could easily belong to any other club in Sweden. Their back up striker, Chidi Omeje, was not starting because the other attackers were so good. Now he's signed up to be a star at Gif Sundsvall, who's still in the top division.

On the other hand, the defence and midfield was of way more mixed quality. No one expected them to stay up, but they had a run were it looked like it could be possible. He won the "tactics match" versus some of the top teams managers. AFC often dropped points in one goal defeats where they could've gotten more out of the games, It was a weird situation: AFC is kind of like the swedish MK Dons. Not 100%, because they didn't take any big clubs history and destroyed it, but they were as disliked because they moved to a new city and barely had any structure outside the football pitch.

AFC wanted to keep Jolley and he had some good ideas. It never felt like he was going to get another job in Allsvenskan 2018, because right now, there is a huge new wave of young football managers that are getting their chance in Sweden. It is a completely new generation that has "abandoned" the "old" style of thinking, and are way more progressive, educated, and influenced by other countries. In just over five years, the league has gone from pretty much everyone playing a direct football in a 4-4-2-ish, to a more fluid football with bigger coaching staffs, more analysis, players with better technical skills, formation shifts... I think Graham Potter has played a massive role in that.

Quoted from Bigdog

If we had to get rid of our best players in January, it only goes to show that there isn't enough investment or forward thinking in the boardroom. First instinct always is to cut costs rather than explore how to increase income or investment to accommodate the cost of talent we need to move forward. It is a fact that GTFC can only have successful seasons in non league when the cloth is cut to JF's pocket or methodology, and even then it's down to having one of the largest incomes based on fan contribution. Half the clubs in League One operate on gates of less than 5k, never mind all but a handful in League Two. The club is bankrupt of cash and bankrupt of ideas to effect a radical change. Part of me still thinks that JF doesn't want to get out as much as he protests. Hopefully over time MJ will completely refresh the playing side. To build on this exciting appointment, I hope the board don't sit on their laurels and press ahead as promised to address the shortcomings of the club on the non playing side..

I think JF is hedging his bets.

Cut costs (especially the playing staff) in order to get ready to bail out (ie he is trying very hard not to have to lend us any more money and take some back where possible) and hope against hope that football fortune pops along and saves his bacon, so he can continue to lord it over us.

Not a bad strategy from his point of view, but a disaster for GTFC.

Quoted from DougieJones

It's difficult to say how good manager he was in Sweden.

AFC did perform terrible when he arrived, but I think almost everyone in Sweden agreed that it was mostly down to choosing the wrong manager at the start of the season. AFC was famous for playing an attacking, passing oriented football. Then they hired the opposite type of manager (Pelle Olsson) when they got promoted to Allsvenskan.

So it's difficult to say: how much better did AFC perform just because they had such a bad manager fit, and how much better did they perform because Jolley did good things?

Despite being a team in the bottom of the table, they did have some quality players that no other team in the bottom of the league had. Mohamed Buya Turay and Omar Eddahri could easily belong to any other club in Sweden. Their back up striker, Chidi Omeje, was not starting because the other attackers were so good. Now he's signed up to be a star at Gif Sundsvall, who's still in the top division.

On the other hand, the defence and midfield was of way more mixed quality. No one expected them to stay up, but they had a run were it looked like it could be possible. He won the "tactics match" versus some of the top teams managers. AFC often dropped points in one goal defeats where they could've gotten more out of the games, It was a weird situation: AFC is kind of like the swedish MK Dons. Not 100%, because they didn't take any big clubs history and destroyed it, but they were as disliked because they moved to a new city and barely had any structure outside the football pitch.

AFC wanted to keep Jolley and he had some good ideas. It never felt like he was going to get another job in Allsvenskan 2018, because right now, there is a huge new wave of young football managers that are getting their chance in Sweden. It is a completely new generation that has "abandoned" the "old" style of thinking, and are way more progressive, educated, and influenced by other countries. In just over five years, the league has gone from pretty much everyone playing a direct football in a 4-4-2-ish, to a more fluid football with bigger coaching staffs, more analysis, players with better technical skills, formation shifts... I think Graham Potter has played a massive role in that.

Thanks for this, very insightful. I think the thing for me is that he took over a side rock bottom and gave it a real go at keeping them up. This to me shows he has determination,character and believes in his own abilities.

Marcus Bignot was "up an coming" but from day 1 he wanted it to be all about him in the couple of clips I have seen of Michael and how pre appointment he's used social media sensibly he clearly has more intelligence and no doubt is business background has taught him to under promise and over deliver.

Regardless of which league we play in next term GTFC is a club that needs a breath of fresh air but it needs to be evolution rather than revolution as stability has been missing since Paul Hurst left. If Michael can get players and then ultimately fans feeling good about GTFC the rest might just look after itself to a degree.

Quoted from DougieJones

It's difficult to say how good manager he was in Sweden.

AFC did perform terrible when he arrived, but I think almost everyone in Sweden agreed that it was mostly down to choosing the wrong manager at the start of the season. AFC was famous for playing an attacking, passing oriented football. Then they hired the opposite type of manager (Pelle Olsson) when they got promoted to Allsvenskan.

So it's difficult to say: how much better did AFC perform just because they had such a bad manager fit, and how much better did they perform because Jolley did good things?

Despite being a team in the bottom of the table, they did have some quality players that no other team in the bottom of the league had. Mohamed Buya Turay and Omar Eddahri could easily belong to any other club in Sweden. Their back up striker, Chidi Omeje, was not starting because the other attackers were so good. Now he's signed up to be a star at Gif Sundsvall, who's still in the top division.

On the other hand, the defence and midfield was of way more mixed quality. No one expected them to stay up, but they had a run were it looked like it could be possible. He won the "tactics match" versus some of the top teams managers. AFC often dropped points in one goal defeats where they could've gotten more out of the games, It was a weird situation: AFC is kind of like the swedish MK Dons. Not 100%, because they didn't take any big clubs history and destroyed it, but they were as disliked because they moved to a new city and barely had any structure outside the football pitch.

AFC wanted to keep Jolley and he had some good ideas. It never felt like he was going to get another job in Allsvenskan 2018, because right now, there is a huge new wave of young football managers that are getting their chance in Sweden. It is a completely new generation that has "abandoned" the "old" style of thinking, and are way more progressive, educated, and influenced by other countries. In just over five years, the league has gone from pretty much everyone playing a direct football in a 4-4-2-ish, to a more fluid football with bigger coaching staffs, more analysis, players with better technical skills, formation shifts... I think Graham Potter has played a massive role in that.

welcome  aboard.v interesting.what was his preferred formation and was it a young team or seasoned lower division players?

Quoted from ginnywings

I'm also wondering if there is an exit strategy going on here.

I've wondered the exact same thing. Cutting costs so he doesn't have to dip into his pocket again would be a very obvious sign of a lack of willingness to fund any longer and waiting for the right time to up and leave. We can only hope there is a less greedy benefactor out there willing to undertake what is a huge job again. 2 years ago it was far smaller. Mismanagement has brought about this situation, there's only 1 person to blame.

In amongst all this mess I'm guessing the words 'new stadium' aren't going to feature in any of the boards statements in the near future

I can understand this approach to the playing budget ( and reduction of ) but how come JF and the Board allowed Slade to sign so many players in the summer. If the intention at any time was to adopt a " penny pinching " approach then Slades' spending in the summer would have been curbed by the board. The quality of a lot of the players ( or lack of! ) is down to Slade and Slade only. A manager approaches the Board and says he wants a particular player and seeing as it is the manager who builds his squad then surely the Board wouldn't question the signing, only the affordability. The MD of a company wouldn't question his Engineering Manager on the employment of a fitter because he would assume that the fitter satisfied the criteria that the Engineering Manager required to do the job.
On Jolleys' appointment, IMO I think he is a good acquisition and certainly one for the future development of the squad. He witnessed two games before he joined the club so he knows something about the quality of some of the players and also the problems he has to overcome to retain our league status. He could quite easily have thought it too much of a task and declined the offer ( let's face it he would hardly want another relegation on his CV if he wanted to break into football management in the English League.

Quoted from forza ivano

welcome  aboard.v interesting.what was his preferred formation and was it a young team or seasoned lower division players?

He shifted formations depending of opposition and players available. Think it was 50/50 in terms of three at the back and four at the back. 4-4-2 and 3-5-2 were his most used systems, but he did try a lot of things and different tactics. Not because he was unsure, but rather that he wanted the best possible for every single game. I think one of the few general things you can say is that he liked to play with two strikers. He wasn't really a possession based manager. I think they only won possession a few times at home, playing against bad teams. He felt more like "find a good way to defend against this team, and then a game plan to get the max out of the quality attacking players".

They were really mixed in terms of players.

Emmanuel Frimpong played there for half a season, but was let go after just playing a few games under Jolley. Haghighi played for Irans national team. Taye Taiwo isn't great nowadays, but he was there. They did have some players that were not too old, but still had done a decent job in the division before they were signed by AFC (Björnkvist, Öhman, Razak). Other than that, they had a clear strategy of signing cheap foreign players with a bit of a "some might work, some might not" attitude. Andrew Fox from Stevenage, someone from Georgia, someone from Austria, someone from Netherlands, someone from Afghanistan/Russia, someone from Brazil... As I said: very mixed.

I agree with Rancido I just can't see how it can be seen as penny pinching. Slade simply went wild signing so many players it must have cost a fortune. Even if all of them were on low wages the sheer volume must have pushed the budget up.

Take Asante for instance it seems highly unlikely that he would coming up from the conference, have been on more than say Hooper coming down from league one.  Add to the fact Hooper and Dixon were negotiating with us for weeks and the closer we got to the start of the season the more desperate Slade would have been getting to get them through the door.

It's a mess but one of the real positives is that most of the junk is out of contract in the summer  giving Jolley a clean slate.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I think JF is hedging his bets.

Cut costs (especially the playing staff) in order to get ready to bail out (ie he is trying very hard not to have to lend us any more money and take some back where possible) and hope against hope that football fortune pops along and saves his bacon, so he can continue to lord it over us.

Not a bad strategy from his point of view, but a disaster for GTFC.

I agree that JF wants to get out we all know that as he has told us "anyone with the wherewithal" I think was the message. I think the drop in match day receipts has possibly his us harder than we may know. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but it feels like a drop of around 25%+ maybe more on none STH income.  

When a business finds itself in that position you cut your biggest wage cost whilst not losing too many heads which in football means you lose your best players/biggest earners first. Also you target the employees who are possibly looking elsewhere, don't want to work for you or don't care first. If reports are to be believed then a couple of players who moved on fall into that category.

I think we where in danger of dropping into a negative cash flow position which would spell disaster the the future of the club.  

Cutting costs could be an exit strategy but a risky one as if we drop out of the league the value of the club will be even less than it is now as it's earnings potential is much smaller. Usually when you sell a business you inflate the value which often comes at an operating cost.

I think this is an appointment based upon a combination of 2 things,

!. Who might keep us up, MJ has been in that situation before so has experiences

2. Who would be hungry enough to bring us back up after relegation?

I think JF knows we are hot favorites for the drop and by making this appointment he's planning for it.  

Quoted from DougieJones

He shifted formations depending of opposition and players available. Think it was 50/50 in terms of three at the back and four at the back. 4-4-2 and 3-5-2 were his most used systems, but he did try a lot of things and different tactics. Not because he was unsure, but rather that he wanted the best possible for every single game. I think one of the few general things you can say is that he liked to play with two strikers. He wasn't really a possession based manager. I think they only won possession a few times at home, playing against bad teams. He felt more like "find a good way to defend against this team, and then a game plan to get the max out of the quality attacking players".

They were really mixed in terms of players.

Emmanuel Frimpong played there for half a season, but was let go after just playing a few games under Jolley. Haghighi played for Irans national team. Taye Taiwo isn't great nowadays, but he was there. They did have some players that were not too old, but still had done a decent job in the division before they were signed by AFC (Björnkvist, Öhman, Razak). Other than that, they had a clear strategy of signing cheap foreign players with a bit of a "some might work, some might not" attitude. Andrew Fox from Stevenage, someone from Georgia, someone from Austria, someone from Netherlands, someone from Afghanistan/Russia, someone from Brazil... As I said: very mixed.

Thanks v informative.if that's the case I wonder if we perm 2 from 3 of hooper Vernon n vernham.might also be an interesting non contract signing or 2