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heppy88
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Link to an excellent letter sent by Mariners Trust regarding the treatment of Grimsby fans on Saturday.#

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/mariners-trust-letter-to-stevenage-f-c/
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I must admit I'm staggered by how well written this is.


Today we got our team back - town fan leaving Wembley may 2016
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I am not staggered at all - Alan is a very experienced police officer and Kristine does a great job in fans' liaison. I was there last year and they were clueless rather than intimidatory. That makes no difference however, women being the subject of that degree of intrusiveness is total and utterly unacceptable.
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I'm guessing jf didn't have a hand in it


]Remember its just my opinion  ..... It might not be true ............
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Quoted from fleabag1970
I'm guessing jf didn't have a hand in it


Are you for real?
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Great letter well done the trust if a reasonable response is not received I suggest the trust organise a total boycott of this fixture next year. Not sure how many we took yesterday but a possible 1000 fans paying £21 can a club really afford to lose £21000 in gate revenue
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Great letter well done the trust if a reasonable response is not received I suggest the trust organise a total boycott of this fixture next year. Not sure how many we took yesterday but a possible 1000 fans paying £21 can a club really afford to lose £21000 in gate revenue


Totally agreed Bill!
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It would be interesting to know if home fans were subjected to the same sort of criteria
Or any other visiting supporters for that matter. !!


The wife was going away for a girly weekend.
I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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It would be interesting to know if home fans were subjected to the same sort of criteria
Or any other visiting supporters for that matter. !!


That's a very good point! Kristine, is it possible to get some info on that?
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August 20, 2017, 6:20pm
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Quoted from Mariner Ronnie
I must admit I'm staggered by how well written this is.


Why? Genuinely interested.


I have an inferiority complex-It's not a very good one though.
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Very good letter written professionally but also highlights some serious issues, hats off to the Trust.
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It would be interesting to know if home fans were subjected to the same sort of criteria
Or any other visiting supporters for that matter. !!


I doubt they would answer that truthfully "" of course all fans are treated the same" but in reality where ever we go there will be special measures implemented for us, Luton, Coventry etc due to our numbers. It maybe of interest to speak to other trust to see if they get similar treatment and if the answer is yes then a combined boycott from all trusts need to be called for , after all the combined loss  income from all large visiting club would really hurt
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That's a very good point! Kristine, is it possible to get some info on that?


Home fans did not have the same searches but this is the norm across football as its generally the same faces every game.  I have spoken to a couple of other SLO's who have had issues with queuing but not been subjected to bra searching, both took large followings.





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So away fans carry a bigger away threat? Doesn't quite hold water does it?!!
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Be nice if the trust could be as vocal about the B team boycott game and the way our club have let fans down.  
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Great letter, well done all. I reckon we should make a real effort when they visit BP just to show them what proper clubs do.


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Quoted from headingly_mariner
Be nice if the trust could be as vocal about the B team boycott game and the way our club have let fans down.  


This has been done and the reasons made clear.


Please don't undermine what the trust are doing regarding this issue.


The wife was going away for a girly weekend.
I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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Why are people surprised at how well it's written? Not every Town fan has a reading/writing age as low as the average on this forum!
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Why are people surprised at how well it's written? Not every Town fan has a reading/writing age as low as the average on this forum!


You arrogant tw@t.

Don't let one or two trolls lower your opinion of one of the best football forums around.

I would imagine the surprise is due to the low standard of PR we have come to expect from GTFC.  What people probably don't realise is that this letter is actually from the trust, not GTFC itself.


The wife was going away for a girly weekend.
I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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Excellent letter i must say
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This has been done and the reasons made clear.


Please don't undermine what the trust are doing regarding this issue.


Well said some people just can't help having a go I am sick of hearing about the fake cup our  board as decreed it's in our interest to compete so either accept it or just don't turn up its your choice but don't muddy all the waters with all issues
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Spot on letter,well written. Can I ask that over the coming days, weeks you keep us appraised of who answers, I have my feelings that any replies will be the usual PR gobbledygook. Also if Stevanage basically fob you off then totally agree with a boycott, we are doing one in the Cheka trade which does hurt our own clubs financies so why not effect some of these amateur clubs, Cheltenham springs to mind.
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Well done the Trust for finally developing a bit of backbone.
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Well done Jon
Me and Sydney Junior will re join the trust next month
Please keep us informed of correspondence
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Why? Genuinely interested.


Because it was very good? Was a compliment.


Today we got our team back - town fan leaving Wembley may 2016
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Well done the Trust for finally developing a bit of backbone.






I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the top one.
Brian Clough.
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Well said some people just can't help having a go I am sick of hearing about the fake cup our  board as decreed it's in our interest to compete so either accept it or just don't turn up its your choice but don't muddy all the waters with all issues


How is it in our interest?
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Quoted from Mariner Ronnie


Because it was very good? Was a compliment.


Apologies. I couldn't work out why it was staggering..


I have an inferiority complex-It's not a very good one though.
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Sounds like the female steward was looking for some action be it fisticuffs or a fisting in one of the cubicles. For females and kids to be treated in the manner they were, is frankly down right disgusting and Stevenage should be ashamed of the deviant nature in which these moronic stewards acted.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
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How is it in our interest?


Increased prize money which is supposed to more than cover any boycott (revenue) by the fans.

I personally will be boycotting though.



I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the top one.
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Concern for women from the bloke talking about a female steward wanting fisting..........Nice concession of the moral high ground.

Good on the Trust. Sounds awful and way beyong anything approaching reasonable.
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I'm sure a few Lawyers will be interested in what happened with the indecent behaviour towards the women and children.
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You arrogant tw@t.

Don't let one or two trolls lower your opinion of one of the best football forums around.

I would imagine the surprise is due to the low standard of PR we have come to expect from GTFC.  What people probably don't realise is that this letter is actually from the trust, not GTFC itself.


With my highest academic qualifications being two GCSEs at C grade I am in no position to ridicule people's intelligence and my post should be seen as tongue in cheek.
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Much as I applaud the letter for its' content and excellence, shouldn't the club itself have written to Stevenage? The SLO operates as an officer of GTFC not the Trust.
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Much as I applaud the letter for its' content and excellence, shouldn't the club itself have written to Stevenage? The SLO operates as an officer of GTFC not the Trust.


I and other Trust Board members not only witnessed the events but were approached by members complaining both inside and outside the ground. I think it is appropriate in the interests of representing our members that The Trust ran a complaint that can run parallel to anything done by the SLO and GTFC. Quite simply these sort of shenanigans have to be stamped out. The more organisations who can get involved the better.



I have an inferiority complex-It's not a very good one though.
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Quoted from The Old Codger
Much as I applaud the letter for its' content and excellence, shouldn't the club itself have written to Stevenage? The SLO operates as an officer of GTFC not the Trust.


Due to the scale and nature of what happened the trust have written this letter in addition to any SLO work rather than instead of.



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Quoted from Kristine


Due to the scale and nature of what happened the trust have written this letter in addition to any SLO work rather than instead of.



Pleased to hear that - this continued aggression by opposition clubs to our fans based on the behaviour of a very small minority has to stop.
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I've now submitted my email to Stevenage.  I think it's important to try to keep these things to our own observations, experiences and facts.  It's very tempting to get stuck in with opinions on what we've heard (much of it quite disgraceful) but I'm sure the Trust and the Club will collate feedback together.

Thanks to the Trust for sending this letter.  A good example of how they can act as an independent voice for the fans whilst still working in parallel with the club.
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Quoted from The Old Codger


Pleased to hear that - this continued aggression by opposition clubs to our fans based on the behaviour of a very small minority has to stop.


Indeed it does and is one of the reasons I went up for FSF National Council election.



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I and other Trust Board members not only witnessed the events but were approached by members complaining both inside and outside the ground. I think it is appropriate in the interests of representing our members that The Trust ran a complaint that can run parallel to anything done by the SLO and GTFC. Quite simply these sort of shenanigans have to be stamped out. The more organisations who can get involved the better.



Thanks for clarifying Ian, had issues at Barnet last time I took my autistic son there - it has put him off going to away games.
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August 20, 2017, 9:23pm

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Often you see GTFC stewards at away games supporting the home staff, do we know if this was considered yesterday?


"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style  
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Just to clarify, GTFC are aware we sent the letter. They may well make their own representations.

Glad it's been well received. We'll report back if/when we get responses.

Paul - (author of the letter!)
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No it wasn't, usually done on a recipricol basis for teams closer to home.


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Just read the letter, looks good. Well done to Jon Wood and Alan Rutter for the quick reaction to what happened yesterday.
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This to me shows the trust standing by what it represents. The fans. This proactive response to these "experiences" shows to me the importance of the trust for the fans.
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Apologies. I couldn't work out why it was staggering..


No worries, I could see how it could've been misinterpreted.


Today we got our team back - town fan leaving Wembley may 2016
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If a male steward had been in the female toilets there would have been hell on.
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Why are people surprised at how well it's written? Not every Town fan has a reading/writing age as low as the average on this forum!


Last sentence doesn't make sense
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Yes, an excellent, well-drafted letter.  A response sent very quickly, which is always best.

Maybe we should give up on the football and write books and articles instead.  Our writing skills are better than our football skills at present.
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I would like to thank the trust for writing this letter on behalf of the Town supporters.

I have supported Town home and away for over forty years, visiting over 100 different grounds. Sadly, over the years, i  have come to accept that searching of fans is necessary on some occasions.

However, what I witnessed yesterday was, quite frankly, disgusting. Decent folk being treated as criminals. I had in my possession a mobile phone, wallet, and house and car keys which I obligingly showed the steward. After a full body search, the steward then wanted to check every key on the key ring!!.All this with a police officer standing a yard away.

The whole experience was intimidating and bizarre - and that's coming from a 'hardened' away supporter.

It will be interesting to read the response from Stevenage FC.
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August 20, 2017, 11:31pm

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Can I suggest that unless we get a full apology from Stevenage FC ,

We do a boycott of any more games at Stevenage until they admit our supporters are not a threat to their safety or liable to cause an any offence that might be considered to be against the law.


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Can I suggest that unless we get a full apology from Stevenage FC ,

We do a boycott of any more games at Stevenage until they admit our supporters are not a threat to their safety or liable to cause an any offence that might be considered to be against the law.


Speaking personally, I suspect they would see that as a win Pete. Judging by the attitudes to us yesterday, I suspect they'd be over the moon if we boycotted.
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Quoted from bax


Speaking personally, I suspect they would see that as a win Pete. Judging by the attitudes to us yesterday, I suspect they'd be over the moon if we boycotted.


Well if they can afford to lose say £20,000 pound in gate money and beer money who cares ?


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Good letter. Shocked at what happened. Arriving late I didn't see any of this.

You'd have thought after the recent success in the Hillsborough tragedy campaign, authorities, clubs and police would have learned lessons.


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Actually a male steward in a female toilet isn't as bad as a female steward in a men's toilet if I'm honest... Women have doors on every toilet whereas we use urinals in the open.
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I have just been informed that the Stevanage police are congratulating themselves on a highly successful operation on Saturday, due to prior police intelligence (don't laugh) there screening process allowed them to confiscate various offensive articles, these included, 7 flasks, 4 bags of Wurthers Originals, 14 Mars Bars, and 3 blankets.
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I have just been informed that the Stevanage police are congratulating themselves on a highly successful operation on Saturday, due to prior police intelligence (don't laugh) there screening process allowed them to confiscate various offensive articles, these included, 7 flasks, 4 bags of Wurthers Originals, 14 Mars Bars, and 3 blankets.


...... and a bottle of hand sanitiser
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Women have doors on every toilet


How do you know this?
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Good job Mariners Trust. I didn't go but this is disgraceful. I certainly won't ever be going to Stevenage.
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It's now on the BBC sport main page. Stevenage FC are receiving some unwanted publicity.
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The EFL are now investigating. Good work by the Trust












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Nailed on we draw them away in the FA Cup
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I await the statement from Stevenage somewhat as follows.
' After being made aware of complaints from visiting supporters,
Stevenage Football Club launched their own investigation'
We now appreciate the need to review the procedures for controlling/searching fans at the (whatever their ground is called). In light of recent events throughout Europe we accept that a small minority of our staff may have been over enthusiastic in their desire for the security and wellbeing of all supports at the match.  Our stewards will receive further training to ensure no such problems reocurr. We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused to visiting supporters.

Etc etc.

Let's hope it doesn't get brushed under the carpet though.


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BBC Look North have had a representative contact me so looks like they're wanting to get their nose in on the act to.
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Next step is to inform our local MPs.

They can ask the ourthorities  direct and can demand answers.
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Good on the Trust for raising this issue.

If we don't say or do something, behaviour like this by so-called authority will continue, to the point where it's accepted behaviour and stewards think they can do this to everyone.

This is why we must not stop asking difficult questions to those in authority. Roll over or wait for someone else to make the complaint and the situation won't get resolved.

There comes a point when enough is enough. I've felt like I've been treated like a criminal when following Town at away games and it's about time something like this tells the rest of the world what happened and will hopefully garner some support from other fans who have been treated badly.


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Quoted from mimma
Next step is to inform our local MPs.

They can ask the ourthorities  direct and can demand answers.


MPs for both Stevenage and Grimsby have been contacted.
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It was the 2 heavy stewards in the ground that went to two kids no older than 12yo to tell them to sit down when they were stood on the very back row. like it needed 2 of them to say that to the little lads. I was appalled by the behaviour on Saturday of the stewards
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I was stood on the row below the two lads and actually the stewards where very polite and asked them nicely to not stand on the chair and said they're welcome to stand normally in front of it and said thank you as they walked off.
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Wonder if Steve Fanthorpe is still the Safety Officer in charge there?

stevef@stevenagefc.com

https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2015/january/join-our-match-day-stewards-team-here-at-stevenage-fc/

Maybe he can clarify why hand sanitiser wasn't allowed, why women had to partially undress in full view of all and sundry and why a woman had to supervise men going to the toilet?


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I was stood on the row below the two lads and actually the stewards where very polite and asked them nicely to not stand on the chair and said they're welcome to stand normally in front of it and said thank you as they walked off.


Just sent you a DM, Luke.

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It's just been on itv news London.
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This action by stewards at Steveange as well as being wholly inappropriate also asks questions about child safety and female sex abuse - not two of the things you normally associate with going to a football match.

I would hope that all the stewards concerned have had appropriate training - the Trust and / or the club should be asking just excatly what training they've had - and that they have all been police checked so as to be able to work with very young children. It beggars belief that people who are there ostensibly to actually look after the safety of fans are, by their ignorance and actions, actually endangering it.

It would perhaps be appropriate to contact other Trusts in our division who are going to have fans travelling down there to make them well informed, but also to ask that any further instances of such poor behaviour are logged and sent to the appropriate authorities?

Stevenage will undoubtedly say that everything that was done was done to conform to health and safety legislation. Again, when that happens I would ask the Trust to ask them exactly what part of the Health and Safety legislation they are actually talking about. They won't be able to answer because there is no answer to condone what went on on Saturday. Keep up the good work it makes my Trust membership mean so much more from afar.


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I suspect that Stevenage will deny the said incidents took place
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Sexual assault and child abuse. Lets see how Hertfordshire Police investigate that!


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Now on the BBC homepage.
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Smells all a bit rotten eggs to me. Grimsby fans were naughty there last year, according to their accounts.
Stevenage 'up' security and all  have a good old giggle to themselves, as it was of course, our very own John Fenty who accused the female fan of smuggling in smoke bombs as tampons! He who throws accusations of smoke bombs, should be willing to accept the consequences.


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Made to the Mail online.
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number 1 item on 'most read' on bbc homepage
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Wow a red cross for stating a fact.
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Quoted from RichMariner
Good on the Trust for raising this issue.

If we don't say or do something, behaviour like this by so-called authority will continue, to the point where it's accepted behaviour and stewards think they can do this to everyone.

This is why we must not stop asking difficult questions to those in authority. Roll over or wait for someone else to make the complaint and the situation won't get resolved.

There comes a point when enough is enough. I've felt like I've been treated like a criminal when following Town at away games and it's about time something like this tells the rest of the world what happened and will hopefully garner some support from other fans who have been treated badly.



Bang on


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Personally think your trust has done the right thing exposing them for what they are ,we play them away soon.
They were wrong in the way they treated your fans so its really good they are getting so much negative exposure.
A lot  Lincoln fans agree it was wrong and stand with you on this.
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Headline article on BBC, great work by the trust and getting things done.


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Just a thought/question.

Did any of the ladies asked to reveal their bra's object or complain at the time or did they oblige without comment?

Just surprised it didnt kick off at the time
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Women treated like scum, largely because of past male behaviour
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Radio 1 now reporting it. Cracking work from the trust to bring this to people's attention.
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Quoted from Cloudy
Just a thought/question.

Did any of the ladies asked to reveal their bra's object or complain at the time or did they oblige without comment?

Just surprised it didnt kick off at the time


Many were shocked and surprised and some likely wrongly assumed that because a steward was asking then it was acceptable.


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Quoted from Madeleymariner
Made to the Mail online.


Scum of a newspaper! I wouldn't even wipe my bottom on it after a bout of diarrorhea.
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Scum of a newspaper! I wouldn't even wipe my bottom on it after a bout of diarrorhea.


You'd have trouble given it's a web site


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Scum of a newspaper! I wouldn't even wipe my bottom on it after a bout of diarrorhea.


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Personally think your trust has done the right thing exposing them for what they are ,we play them away soon.
They were wrong in the way they treated your fans so its really good they are getting so much negative exposure.
A lot  Lincoln fans agree it was wrong and stand with you on this.


Yes, very pleasing to read the thread on your forum where it seems that your fans are backing us on this one rather than using it against us.

http://www.lincoln.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=50539&start=1



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You'd have trouble given it's a web site


Clearly knew what I meant...
daily mail/mail online. Both excrement
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Many were shocked and surprised and some likely wrongly assumed that because a steward was asking then it was acceptable.


Perfectly understandable reaction tbh
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BBC news online:
Why do the police refer to "trouble at the Chesterfield v Town game"? And, I understand that there was no trouble anyway?  Hate to think what they would make of some previous Luton games or the recent Middlesbrough v Sheffield United serious crowd trouble.

Hertfordshire Police said it had not been contacted by supporters, but any complaints would be would "fully investigated".

The force said its officers were at the ground "due to intelligence regarding a previous game between Chesterfield and Grimsby Town, where there was public disorder and members of the public were injured".

It added that none of its officers were involved in any of the searches "which were carried out by stewards"
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It was just mentioned on TalkSport so its getting exposure, well done Trust.
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Are we sure that's female?
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I think most of us on The Fishy will agree that we should be very careful in what we say on here at the present time given the sensitivity and importance of the matter, don't give the media any chance of turning the tables on us after the brilliant job the Trust has done in bringing it to their attention.












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http://www.thecomet.net/news/s.....-away-game-1-5157511

Don't worry. A thorough investigation has taken place down here in Stevenage....
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What happened at chesterfield I was there and saw no trouble apart from the idiot who went on the pitch
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Some OB came into the old town spoons and told the bar staff "they had heard" there were groups of Town roaming about looking for trouble.
We were stood right next to them and they hadn't realised we were Town until we guffawed at them.
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Misleading information tweeted by Derbyshire Police is taken as gospel by Hertfordshire Police and it creates the environment that many experienced at Stevenage on Saturday.

Things like this will snowball from nothing - which again underlines the important job the Trust is doing in highlighting this. We need to nip this in the bud before it becomes something our whole club is tarred with.

Not that I would wish damage on any other club and its fans, but Stevenage themselves may realise that just one intense period of negative media could leave them with a reputation that's hard to shift, irrespective of their investigation's findings.


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Quoted from lukeo
I was stood on the row below the two lads and actually the stewards where very polite and asked them nicely to not stand on the chair and said they're welcome to stand normally in front of it and said thank you as they walked off.


I am sure they were nice, however 2 stewards required to tell two young boys to sit down was OTT IMO
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Quoted from stevethefish
http://www.thecomet.net/news/s.....-away-game-1-5157511

Don't worry. A thorough investigation has taken place down here in Stevenage....


The Comet is never going to print anything derogatory about Stevenage as the club spend a fair bit on advertising and the Comet would be worried about getting banned so that explains the defensive report.

I missed a call from a Comet reporter this morning as I was going into a meeting, shame I would have put him straight about all the mad women at Chesterfield trying to slash the locals throats with their bra wires. The only real thing I saw during the game was the Chesterfield fan with the smoke bomb at 1 - 2.

The intel does not warrant the level of behavior from the stewards, but I guess that Stevenage see that as a get out of jail free card..


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We're looking at it


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The most worrying aspect is there was no disorder at Chesterfield, that was debunked on Twitter! Yet this newspaper is now propagating the lie which is used to criminalise and dehumanise all football fans.


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No statement from our club really thought they may come out in support of the fans
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Quoted from crusty ole pie
No statement from our club really thought they may come out in support of the fans


Agree, surely a statement from GTFC is warranted here.
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More police lies
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Quoted from crusty ole pie
No statement from our club really thought they may come out in support of the fans


I'm no fan of our clubs PR believe me. But I think they need to leave this to the 'supporters' trust so in this case remain silent.
Besides, I think JF, RS and Co have enough to worry about trying to sort out what happens ON the pitch.


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Just catching up with this after work:

A statement of solidarity with the supporters might be appreciated but on balance I have to agree with Civvy that it probably is best to let the Trust run with it.

Despite not being there myself on Saturday I would like to thank the Trust for standing up for everyone who was there and Town fans in general. The Trust and Kristine are clearly doing their very best to stop the tarring of ALL Town fans with the same brush as a few who need to be ratted out of Town and football in general. The Bucks Police statement is very upsetting for them and us as a fanbase. Just what have they and we got to do to clear our name?

At least we've got the ever welcoming Notts force to welcome us next time. Credit where it is due to them mind, they were good at Notts County last season.
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Quoted from LH
Just catching up with this after work:

A statement of solidarity with the supporters might be appreciated but on balance I have to agree with Civvy that it probably is best to let the Trust run with it.

Despite not being there myself on Saturday I would like to thank the Trust for standing up for everyone who was there and Town fans in general. The Trust and Kristine are clearly doing their very best to stop the tarring of ALL Town fans with the same brush as a few who need to be ratted out of Town and football in general. The Bucks Herts Police statement is very upsetting for them and us as a fanbase. Just what have they and we got to do to clear our name?

At least we've got the ever welcoming Notts force to welcome us next time. Credit where it is due to them mind, they were good at Notts County last season.


To be honest I think we have it about right. In her role as GTFC SLO Kristine is working behind the scenes and the Trust are doing what I've always believed they should be doing i.e. representing good people who are sick to the back teeth of being classed as somehow sub-human for the heinous crime of following their football team at considerable expense.  


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Next away game everyone wears a bra? Above the shirt of course for men.


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Next away game everyone wears a bra? Above the shirt of course for men.


Can I wear stockings and suspenders as well please
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Not exactly good PR for Stevenage.. story has made it into the top ten of all news stories on BBC News site now..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-40992174
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Quoted from TownSNAFU5
BBC news online:
Why do the police refer to "trouble at the Chesterfield v Town game"? And, I understand that there was no trouble anyway?  Hate to think what they would make of some previous Luton games or the recent Middlesbrough v Sheffield United serious crowd trouble.

Hertfordshire Police said it had not been contacted by supporters, but any complaints would be would "fully investigated".

The force said its officers were at the ground "due to intelligence regarding a previous game between Chesterfield and Grimsby Town, where there was public disorder and members of the public were injured".

It added that none of its officers were involved in any of the searches "which were carried out by stewards"


Media outlets who make reference to reports re Chesterfield should be made aware, as I found out on Saturday, that those reports are being challenged. The Hertfordshire Police is also inaccurate as I contacted them last night to complain about one of their officers last night and made clear reference to the wider context of what the stewards did.
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Looks like a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible. We must not let them get away with it.
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What would have happened with the stewards if one of our female fans went to the game braless?
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Quoted from TownSNAFU5
What would have happened with the stewards if one of our female fans went to the game braless?


Arrested for indecent exposure and sent to the colonies.


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Looks like a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible. We must not let them get away with it.


Totally agree , this must be pursued , until the truth is told(including from our own safety officer)
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The statement is balderdash. The stuff about searches happened and the toilet stuff happened. In fact the reaction by the fans was a credit to them, I was stood outside the toilets (I wasn't allowed on the terrace with my chips) One female steward alongside 4 male stewards antagonised fans throughout when she was asked to leave. It was only when the fans asked for the police that it sorted itself out and the stewards were told to leave.

In the second half the same group of stewards kicked off as they were told they were stood in the way of the game. Police called and stewards taken away, AGAIN. Not a single fan that I saw had to be dealt with by the police.

What's worse is, our idiots weren't even present at the game. I visited 3 pubs before hand, all mixed fans in there, all absolutely fine with not even a hint of hostility. Stevenage had planned for a riot and when it didn't happen, decided to try to cause one themselves.
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Heartening to read the thread on the Imps board. Maybe they can catch our protest bug (another symptom of Grimsbyitis   ) and run a Bras at Broadhall theme for their next (League) away day.

On a more serious note, I disagree with Jock and others who say JF shouldn't get involved. Personally I think he should be picking up the phone to his opposite numbers at other clubs (especially those ones we'll be visiting in the near future and pointing out the truth (e.g. link to that Chesterfield newspaper report on Derbyshire Police's economy with the truth). We've already seen those untruths used once to justify an over zealous 'security measures'.

Until enough people in control of football know the truth, the same thing will keep happening.


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Quoted from KingstonMariner
Heartening to read the thread on the Imps board. Maybe they can catch our protest bug (another symptom of Grimsbyitis   ) and run a Bras at Broadhall theme for their next (League) away day.

On a more serious note, I disagree with Jock and others who say JF shouldn't get involved. Personally I think he should be picking up the phone to his opposite numbers at other clubs (especially those ones we'll be visiting in the near future and pointing out the truth (e.g. link to that Chesterfield newspaper report on Derbyshire Police's economy with the truth). We've already seen those untruths used once to justify an over zealous 'security measures'.

Until enough people in control of football know the truth, the same thing will keep happening.

Could not agree more
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I thought we had a general election last year and no matter about the result we did not vote for a police state, but it seems they can make statements at Chesterfield that tars our support, this is how Hillsborough started, police covering up their errors. Let's have answers please, but if the Coventry debacle is anything to go by it will all be chip paper by Wednesday.
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Quoted from Gaffer58
I thought we had a general election last year and no matter about the result we did not vote for a police state, but it seems they can make statements at Chesterfield that tars our support, this is how Hillsborough started, police covering up their errors. Let's have answers please, but if the Coventry debacle is anything to go by it will all be chip paper by Wednesday.


Indeed. That's why we need to keep asking questions about the Coventry shenanigans.

Might seem a long stretch from bad stewarding to a real tragedy, but once lies get passed around by the authorities and accepted as Gospel wrong decisions get taken.


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The anger at the treatment of genuine law abiding town fans has been building for some time now and Stevenage was the straw that broke the camels back. We're all sick of being treat like hooligans/2nd class citizens. It's also time the club started acknowledging the fact that the overwhelming majority of us are well behaved folks who just want to follow the club we love.
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I would add two things into this, as alluded to in my last post, Stevenage police inside the ground actually did a decent job. They could've joined in with the stewards and made it 10x worse. It's a shame the police on duty that day have been let down by the ludicrous statements after it.

Secondly, the stewards claimed that the woman was in the toilets to stop people smoking. Firstly, why not send a bloke in? Secondly, why did she stay in there? And thirdly, when asked if I could smoke, advice came from a steward (and I certainly wasn't the only one given this advice) to smoke in the toilets! There is no evidence or indication anybody took his advice mind you.
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I hope they draw Millwall at home in the cup!

I would travel down there to stand outside the away end and watch their (bar)stewards in action
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So the Derbyshire police lied about pubs having to close because of damage done by our fans at Chesterfield , this then gave Hertfordshire police the chance to pass on information to tell Stevenage stewards to search women and kids and be antogonistic to our fans a few weeks later?
This is exactly how the Hillsborough myth started , People still witter on about the Sun newspaper but those quotes it printed came from police officers.
These illegitimates have never learned a single thing and I hope our club can threaten some legal action or at least ask for an apology
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That's why it needs the widest possible publicity.

Also because there must be hundreds of other incidents faced across the country, not just by us. The more we get the 'something like that happened to us' reaction the more clubs' fans will take issues up.


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Would interesting to hear what the lad in the Town top is saying to her, I'll go with, have you had a good enough look at the blue veined custard chucker or come on love it's not going to suck itself.


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Would interesting to hear what the lad in the Town top is saying to her, I'll go with, have you had a good enough look at the blue veined custard chucker or come on love it's not going to suck itself.


All she was doing was handing out sanitiser and paper towels 😉


The wife was going away for a girly weekend.
I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
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That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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Also during the game they were very confrontations standing in the way of supporters in the lower part of the stand, they are a disgrace along with cheltenham
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Webbit, I was not at Chesterfield but from all the pictures I've seen it appears to me that there was a complete line of stewards and police across the front of the stand, so again did those supporters on the front have a restricted view or did they have to stand up, again unlawful.
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Some decent comments from our visitors on Saturday.

https://gasroom.org/discussion/3244/grimsby-fans-unhappy-with-treatment-at-stevenage

"Always thought Grimsby have a very well organised fan voice. Boycotting the checkatrade whilst raising money for charity, protesting against franchise at Wembley a few years back, those t shirts 'Franchise football, never forgive, never forget,' always well represented at England matches. It's a pity more clubs' fans in this country aren't like that."
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Brilliant

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Jonny_King

August 21

We were sorry to hear that you felt your matchday experience was spoiled by the security measures we have in place at The Lamex Stadium. I'm sure you can appreciate that supporter safety is a high priority for us, but more importantly you must understand that all of us here at Stevenage Football Club are a bunch of raging perverts, who love nothing more than checking out what bra you've got on, especially when it comes to seventy-year-old women who have just spent three sweaty hours on a coach down from Grimsby.

I hope you will understand that Cynthia, one of our best and most experienced stewards, really gets off on watching people urine and as a club that prides itself on accommodating the needs of our employees, we felt it necessary to give her a prime posting in the mens toilets, a position that, let me assure you, was greatly sought after among our highly trained team of deviant sex criminals.

If you would like to discuss the matter further, we would like to invite you for a meeting with our head of security, Jim 'Wandering Hands' Harrison. He has agreed to meet with you, on the understanding that you do not wear any pants and on completion of the meeting will allow him to paddle you silly.

Yours sincerely
Mr Dom Inatrix.[/i]"


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Not sure if it's come up on this thread but I got a call from Stevenage council today and they have spoken to the football club who have confirmed they will be putting hand washing facilities in their away gents toilets


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Quoted from HertsGTFC
Not sure if it's come up on this thread but I got a call from Stevenage council today and they have spoken to the football club who have confirmed they will be putting hand washing facilities in their away gents toilets


Something positive to come from it, although I hope one the majority of our supporters don't benefit from as I don't see why they should get our money in the future.
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Quoted from HertsGTFC
Not sure if it's come up on this thread but I got a call from Stevenage council today and they have spoken to the football club who have confirmed they will be putting hand washing facilities in their away gents toilets


Now that is interesting Herts, if the set up they have isn't an issue why spend money when its not necessary.


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