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No idea how true it is but a Rotherham fan on another forum says they have made a 2nd bid for Omar. Doesn't say how much though.
You should let them know they need to add a nought at the end
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You should let them know they need to add a nought at the end
Bearing in mind they are tight Yorkies, you may wish to point out which end to put the nought on !!
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Will probably get slaughtered for saying this but the group i go to games with were discussing the Omar transfer at the last home game and the general consensus was that 1 to 1.5 million would be about his value. He is big and powerful and will score goals but it was felt that his all round game isn't quite good enough to take him to the very top and at his age, he may not get all that much better now. His temperament can be suspect and he drifts out of games if it isn't going his way. He doesn't have the best of first touches and his decision making isn't always the greatest. He will always prosper in the modern game with his physical attributes and he is definitely destined for higher things than GTFC but some felt he doesn't quite have the tools to go all the way to the Prem.
If looked at dispassionately from a scouts point of view, these things will be noticed.
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Will probably get slaughtered for saying this but the group i go to games with were discussing the Omar transfer at the last home game and the general consensus was that 1 to 1.5 million would be about his value. He is big and powerful and will score goals but it was felt that his all round game isn't quite good enough to take him to the very top and at his age, he may not get all that much better now. His temperament can be suspect and he drifts out of games if he it isn't going his way. He doesn't have the best of first touches and his decision making isn't always the greatest.He will always prosper in the modern game with his physical attributes and he is definitely destined for higher things than GTFC but some felt he doesn't quite have the tools to go all the way to the Prem.
His first touch, hold up play and awareness have improved massively this season, and despite being 23 he hasn't played a huge amount of football at a decent level, If his ball control and all round game improve as much in the next 12 months as they have in the last he will be a fearsome striker at any level. His mentality does need to improve, he needs to not dwell on mistakes and think "I'll score the next one" and not sulk, also when he's out of the game he needs to not try and do everyone's jobs but stay up top, he can drift out wide as centre halves won't know where is or who to mark if his movements good.
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Fair enough 09, it's all about opinions and i'm just giving the general consensus from the group of fans i attend with, not necessarily my views on him. He's 23 (or 24 depending on where you look) and he has improved massively while with us but the question scouts will ask themselves is how much more will he improve from here and how much he is worth for them to find out.
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One thing you would have to say about Bogle is that he's scored loads of goals this year without a great deal of support alongside him. If he was working off a foil who was doing much of his work for him, it would be less impressive, but the fact that he's had to lead the line pretty much single-handedly at times means that his goal return is pretty remarkable.
I certainly agree that his all-round game has plenty of room for improvement but if you compare to players such as Darren Bent in his prime (though he's obviously not at the same level) or other 'poachers', he has to do a heck of a lot more work to earn his goals.
I have to admit, he's played better on a number of occasions this season than I thought he was capable of doing from what I saw last season. This bodes well for the future, especially if he can sort out his temperament and stop beating himself up when things aren't going his way.
I'd like to see him stay until the end of the season and see how well he does with a more threatening strike partner such as Yussuf (or Effiong?).
Ultimately, the biggest factor managers are looking for is the ability to put the ball in the net, something he has done very well this season.
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One thing you would have to say about Bogle is that he's scored loads of goals this year without a great deal of support alongside him. If he was working off a foil who was doing much of his work for him, it would be less impressive, but the fact that he's had to lead the line pretty much single-handedly at times means that his goal return is pretty remarkable.
I certainly agree that his all-round game has plenty of room for improvement but if you compare to players such as Darren Bent in his prime (though he's obviously not at the same level) or other 'poachers', he has to do a heck of a lot more work to earn his goals.
I have to admit, he's played better on a number of occasions this season than I thought he was capable of doing from what I saw last season. This bodes well for the future, especially if he can sort out his temperament and stop beating himself up when things aren't going his way.
I'd like to see him stay until the end of the season and see how well he does with a more threatening strike partner such as Yussuf (or Effiong?).
Ultimately, the biggest factor managers are looking for is the ability to put the ball in the net, something he has done very well this season.
Having watched Darren Bent in his younger days at Charlton he was one of the most hard working strikers I have EVER seen. His movement off the ball was phenomenal however I agree to having doubts whether Omar will ever be a top level striker despite the huge improvements he has made. One week he looks unplayable, the next that he is struggling at League 2 level. I will be delighted if we keep him until the summer and honestly think it may be the best for his own development
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And also it was Hurst who had the foresight to give him the 3 year deal and was able to develop him exponentially over the summer.
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And also it was Hurst who had the foresight to give him the 3 year deal and was able to develop him exponentially over the summer.
Giving him a 3 year deal was in the best interests of the club and i would say it was the board who take the credit for that as much as Hurst.
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Having watched Darren Bent in his younger days at Charlton he was one of the most hard working strikers I have EVER seen. His movement off the ball was phenomenal however I agree to having doubts whether Omar will ever be a top level striker despite the huge improvements he has made. One week he looks unplayable, the next that he is struggling at League 2 level. I will be delighted if we keep him until the summer and honestly think it may be the best for his own development
I don't doubt that Bent worked hard - just noting that he never played the targetman role in the way that Bogle has had to. Doing a lot of running and good movement off the ball is one thing, but a physical battle with defenders when isolated on your own up front is a different matter. Bogle and Bent are certainly different types of strikers, however, so not all that much of a direct comparison to be had. Bogle's more of a lower-division Drogba/Lukaku sort of player (though obviously nowhere near as good as either!), not a poacher.
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