That's cost us promotion

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Completely disagree with that logic. It seems common sense to me that if thousands of people are cheering for you to do well then it could improve your performance. A team's performance level can be raised but they still lose the game - there's no contradiction there.

I accept you can 50% disagree with my logic!

Possibly performance may be enhanced but that does not alter the fact that one set of supporters has failed to influence the outcome does it?

My point was though that making critical or uncritical comments is everyone's freedom. It isn't right for one person or persons to deny other people a different point of view whatever the circumstances. I understand why StPauli posted his exhortation but it is wrong to call on people to stop saying things that he thinks might upset the applecart.

I've always said what I feel....please or offend

If I don't agree with things about the team/ manager I'm going to have my say.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

My point was though that making critical or uncritical comments is everyone's freedom. It isn't right for one person or persons to deny other people a different point of view whatever the circumstances. I understand why StPauli posted his exhortation but it is wrong to call on people to stop saying things that he thinks might upset the applecart.

Aren't we getting in to to head spinning contradictions here if you're saying StPauli shouldn't be saying what he's saying - he should just let people say whatever they want?  

I'm actually in agreement with you in that it is acceptable to criticise. I've said that positive support can benefit the team - the unavoidable consequence of that is that criticism of the team could potentially be detrimental. This is where some of the "fans being blamed" controversy has come from. However, it's all relative. If there was no possibility of criticism, then the positive support would become meaningless. The mere threat of criticism could well help motivate players.

Where I think the problem lies is unfair criticism, but that's a very subjective concept.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Aren't we getting in to to head spinning contradictions here if you're saying StPauli shouldn't be saying what he's saying - he should just let people say whatever they want?  

I'm actually in agreement with you in that it is acceptable to criticise. I've said that positive support can benefit the team - the unavoidable consequence of that is that criticism of the team could potentially be detrimental. This is where some of the "fans being blamed" controversy has come from. However, it's all relative. If there was no possibility of criticism, then the positive support would become meaningless. The mere threat of criticism could well help motivate players.

Where I think the problem lies is unfair criticism, but that's a very subjective concept.

Of course we are.

It's just fun and games really.

Your last three sentences are very pertinent though. Agee with that.

Sorry, I never meant to disallow anybodys opinion. My intention was to ask if the timing of some opinions on here is chosen wisely.

Nothing's won and nothing's lost yet, but the chance to achieve the desperately wanted is on the table.

I don't know about any big achievement ever, which was reached by constant negativity. That's all I'm saying.

See you guys in Wembley !

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