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Doom and gloom would be negativity about everything, everybody and at every time for no good reason. That's not what you see on the Fishy. Or very rarely at least. You see criticism of team selection, substitutions, tactics, attitudes ....... some of it right and some of it wrong depending on how you feel.
But at the root of this is history. For so many years supporters have been disappointed. It's as simple as that and it goes back to well before relegation. Bad decisions in the boardroom, bad decisions in the dressing room and bad performances on the pitch mean that people find it hard to be as optimistic as they used to be in their younger days and perhaps younger supporters are today. That sort of experience cannot be instantly erased by a few good results, a play off place and some exhortations to get behind the team.
So maybe not gloom and doom, more like cynicism over the hype and a genuine desire for the proof of the pudding.
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Nah...... never saw the site just live 18 miles away from Luton and work in North London/Beds/Bucks so have had to put up with it last year and also this year with Barnet and their average 1800 gate.
It's very easy for fans to be 100% behind their team when they are walking away with the league title, unfortunately we are not and for the 5 seasons we have been down here we haven't looked like it. I would also add that only a few weeks ago many on the Barnet site were questioning Martin Allen and whether he would get them promoted. As I have said countless times GTFC fans are no different from other clubs. |
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You have NEVER heard me compare Hurst with other managers. Yes, it is now when it counts. In financial terms we need at least a Wembley appearance. In footballing terms we need to go up. Otherwise the winning run etc count for nothing. Because next season we are in the same league as the teams that finished 20/30 points below us. Hurst has had time now to do things his way with his squad. HE is the one that put together what I think is the best squad since we dropped out the league. Credit due for that. But that is only one part of the job. If he can't then take us up with that squad then it isn't job done. You sound like you are happy to stay in this tinpot league as long as we get most club points etc etc. well not for me, I want GTFC back in the league. Where they belong.
So why don't you (and other Hurst criticisers) wait with the moaning until the very last ball is kicked. Maybe your wish of 'GTFC back in the league' comes true ??? As I see it, there is still a realy, realy good chance to achieve it ! The season and the teams mission is not finished yet UTM |
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So why don't you (and other Hurst criticisers) wait with the moaning until the very last ball is kicked]. Maybe your wish of 'GTFC back in the league' comes true ??? As I see it, there is still a realy, realy good chance to achieve it !
The season and the teams mission is not finished yet
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So no-one is allowed to say anything about selections or tactics or anything said or done by the club management unless it is to praise.. Do you really mean that? |
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http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/2914/dc-after-game?page=2Even Bristol Rovers fans are arguing with themselves and some questioning whether the manager should stay if they don't get promoted.
I'm surprised they're having that discussion. As we know all too well, you have to be seriously bad to lose your place in the Football League. There must be deep-rooted problems that aren't easy to turn around overnight. Carlisle were the last team to bounce straight back up, and that happened 10 years ago. Although they're not promoted yet, Clarke has turned it round quite impressively. I'm not sure how many matches they must have lost to get relegated last season, but it must have been plenty. He would've had a squad of players bereft of confidence and morale, and angry fans. They've only lost 5 games this season. They've drawn a few, granted, but to only lose 5 of 45 is pretty astonishing given their situation in the summer. We know that clubs don't bounce straight back because of the problems that stretch beyond simply having poor players. What Clarke has done to date is remarkable really. |
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So no-one is allowed to say anything about selections or tactics or anything said or done by the club management unless it is to praise.. Do you really mean that?
No, but this is a very decisive period of the season. We are on the home stretch and we all want to bring it home. There will be no more changes in the responsible key persons, so any criticising doesn't change anything anyway. Just play your supportive part and wait for the outcome and only then moan or praise what ever you feel like. Since then I believe the only duty for a fan is to get behind the team (Hurst is an important part of it) and support, support, support !!!!! It is right there ! Let's go for it and take it !!! |
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No, but this is a very decisive period of the season. We are on the home stretch and we all want to bring it home. There will be no more changes in the responsible key persons, so any criticising doesn't change anything anyway. Just play your supportive part and wait for the outcome and only then moan or praise what ever you feel like.
Since then I believe the only duty for a fan is to get behind the team (Hurst is an important part of it) and support, support, support !!!!!
It is right there ! Let's go for it and take it !!!
I understand your point as long as you are really saying "OK folks, let's just enjoy the moment" and you want to make people feel upbeat. But by your own logic, if criticising doesn't change anything anyway then neither does being supportive! Common sense says that if we get to Wembley both sets of supporters will be doing their very best to cheer on their team and be supportive, but only one will win. So for half the crowd, being supportive will have failed won't it? The cheering on is for our benefit, to be part of what we hope will be a great occasion. It has no bearing whatsoever on the result or the performance. The result and the performance has a lot of bearing on how supportive we are though. In fact if you are not careful, the only thing you are doing is censorship, denying people the freedom of speech to disagree with you. |
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Common sense says that if we get to Wembley both sets of supporters will be doing their very best to cheer on their team and be supportive, but only one will win. So for half the crowd, being supportive will have failed won't it? The cheering on is for our benefit, to be part of what we hope will be a great occasion. It has no bearing whatsoever on the result or the performance.
Completely disagree with that logic. It seems common sense to me that if thousands of people are cheering for you to do well then it could improve your performance. A team's performance level can be raised but they still lose the game - there's no contradiction there. |
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I think it will be the Rovers fans saying," that's cost us promotion," After losing the play off final to us.  |
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