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LongEatonMariner
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Quoted from ginnywings
Do people consider Hurst to have been here for 1 year or 4 years. Does his reign as Rob Scott's joint manager count or are people judging him solely on his solo stint?

Think it's a relevant point as to how people judge his success or lack of.

Does he need more time or has he had too much is the point i'm trying to make.


Whatever supports their argument of either:

(He's not been here two mins) give him a chance, or
He's excrement (he's never going to get us out, even if we give him three / four / five / sixty years, bring back AB etc)
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Yes but they may  have  taken action to rectify their weaknesses,can you really say that you have any confidence for Hurst to solve our striker problem,which was apparent before the season started.Now we are nearly a third of the way through the season it still has not  been addressed.This is the issue: the inability of Hurst to identify a problem and solve it quickly. Until the issues are recognised and addressed we will just be treading water and getting further out of touch with the leaders,that is reality.


I think that Hurst has tried to solve the striker problem, although been unsuccessful. I was surprised to hear that Rory Fallon had been on trial with us, is this the player that was supposed to get the hair standing on the back of our necks?

I think that too a degree he has been unlucky with players. Its all well and good saying that we knew Pittman was injury prone, but players can get over these problems and he probably thought that he would be able to bring in another one before the season - that he didnt is his fault. But then again how was he to also legislate for Arnold and Hannah picking up injuries at the start of the season? In Hurst's mind he may well think that he actually has 5 strikers on the books currently.

For me the biggest issue that Hurst hasnt solved is not our striker problem as such, it is our playing style. There are times when we play some excellent football and we look dangerous. But then there is too much time when we do look long and high for too quickly, rather than play to our strengths of getting the ball into LJL's feet (imo our best target men in this sense) and look to play one twos.

There does seem to be a bit of a push to do this but some small errors are still being made. A big stand out for me on Tuesday was that Southport, for fairly large periods of the game, were sat very deep giving us a lot of opportunities from distance. In theory this would also mean you could look to slip the ball into the channels between full back and centre back. Yet Lennell was making these runs rather than Hannah (who was dropping short) which based on what I see of the two is completely backwards.
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I am not a Hurst apologist, at the moment I am on the border of wanting a change, but you keep quoting this one as if a team has never had a bad start and the best teams always shoot out of the blocks. Plenty of teams have started slowly and yet still gone on to be successful during a season.


I think if you read my post I have always said , it's not how you start its how you finish,

My main complaint this season is, with the best squad we have had Hurst can not get the players to play well more than 2 games in a row.

I hope he proves me wrong and gets us promoted,

If he does , I will run round the docks naked,

OOPS!!!!  I think somebody said that a few years back.


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The way Town played with John Paul Pitman in the team and Patrick McLaughlin was a delight. The balance, desire, confidence in team players play was right.  JPP is injured and Patrick is subbing. I think this is the subtle difference between, where we were (earlier in the season) and where we are now.


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.This is the issue: the inability of Hurst to identify a problem and solve it quickly.
Until the issues are recognised and addressed we will just be treading water and getting further out of touch with the leaders,that is reality.


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The way Town played with John Paul Pitman in the team and Patrick McLaughlin was a delight. The balance, desire, confidence in team players play was right.  JPP is injured and Patrick is subbing. I think this is the subtle difference between, where we were (earlier in the season) and where we are now.


Agree with that! Also the change back to 442 has led to a 'lump it to Lenny' style which is incredibly predictable, boring and rarely works!!
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I see Clay has got a bug

Left in the changing rooms from the Chester lot I bet.


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This thread has not gone the way I thought and has turned into another anti Hurst procession. I was just curious as to people's opinions about his tenure. Was the slate wiped clean when Scott was given the heave-ho, and if so, does he deserve more time like a new manager would be afforded?

Town don't do simple. They appoint joint managers just to put a new twist on things.


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I think the real manager is sat in the directors box and has been for some years
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Quoted from friskneymariner


Yes but they may  have  taken action to rectify their weaknesses,can you really say that you have any confidence for Hurst to solve our striker problem,which was apparent before the season started.Now we are nearly a third of the way through the season it still has not  been addressed.This is the issue: the inability of Hurst to identify a problem and solve it quickly. Until the issues are recognised and addressed we will just be treading water and getting further out of touch with the leaders,that is reality.


I agree there is a striker problem but it's bigger than that even if he brought in the best possible striker we would still no doubt not play the right tactics for the players we have.
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