Ched Evans

5yrs good grief!!!

Quoted from mr viv

5yrs good grief!!!

Beat me to it Chaz.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842

Good, let him rot.

I live in Sheffield, so obviously there's a bit of 'banter' between fans, but I'd honestly be happier if I was a United fan than if I was a fan of Wednesday or any other team. There is no way I could cheer on someone capable of this. Besides, this is way more important than football.

It's a bit odd that he's been sent down but his mate who picked up the girl and got in there first, so to speak, was acquitted.

I wonder why this happened? If one was guilty (as seems probable from the reports), why wasn't the other?

Quoted from Maringer

It's a bit odd that he's been sent down but his mate who picked up the girl and got in there first, so to speak, was acquitted.

I wonder why this happened? If one was guilty (as seems probable from the reports), why wasn't the other?

Some real scumbags around, though.

5 years for assaulting a sheep...

Seriously though sick twit, hope he gets his anus ripped to beans by a big strapping black man.

All I can guess from that report is that the jury think it may have been consensual with the friend but not with Evans. You'd think the friend was at least guilty of some kind of complicity in Evans' crime but I guess that wasn't what he was accused of.

Got to remember in all this that the victim, people on other social networking sights have been sympathetic to Sheff Utd but should be the girl getting all the sympathy. What Ched Evans did was a wicked thing. I find it disgusting that he only received five years, especially knowing the fact he will be out withing two years.

In my opinion he should be banned from playing professional football ever again, especially as young kids will look to him as a role model. Its should be if any professional footballer commits any crime and is committed then the FA should ban them for life. Lee Hughes and Marlon King have got 2nd chances and will be earning vast sums of money and young kids will be idolising them and they have committed horrific crimes. Think with this case occurring it should give the FA the right opportunity to act.

Just had a text from a mate who's an Exeter City fan. They play Sheff Utd at home last game of the season. As only a miracle will keep Exeter up this season they've already got their chant ready.

"Down with Ched Evans, we're going down with Ched Evans"  

I like it you are all calling him, just cos he's been found guilty that does not mean he did anything, sometimes the jury are wrong

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Quoted from jimbo22

Got to remember in all this that the victim, people on other social networking sights have been sympathetic to Sheff Utd but should be the girl getting all the sympathy. What Ched Evans did was a wicked thing.

Exactly, as I said, it's way bigger than football.

intercourse knows how McDonald has got away with it though. Especially as it all revolves around her being too drunk to consent, and he was the one who picked her up as she was stumbling down the street.

The only difference I can really see is that he came out of the room and told the hotel staff that she was ill, whereas Evans just did one out of the Fire Exit.

One day, aaron, you might get so drunk that you aren't able to consent to a footballer having sex with you either. Perhaps your viewpoint will change then?

By the way, i'm not gonna claim to have completely followed the case, I have mainly only read this article from last week. As far as i gather...they've pretty much not denied any of this, but the issue lies within whether she was too drunk to consent or not. But yeah...the fact that she was falling into walls etc probably answers that question.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128300/Football-stars-raped-drunken-teenager-budget-hotel-friend-filmed-attack-mobile-phone.html?ito=feeds-newsxml[/url]

Quoted from sam gy

By the way, i'm not gonna claim to have completely followed the case, I have mainly only read this article from last week. As far as i gather...they've pretty much not denied any of this, but the issue lies within whether she was too drunk to consent or not. But yeah...the fact that she was falling into walls etc probably answers that question.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128300/Football-stars-raped-drunken-teenager-budget-hotel-friend-filmed-attack-mobile-phone.html?ito=feeds-newsxml[/url]

Makes it even more strange that McDonald was acquitted then if he admitted having sex with her.

Quoted from aaron rattray

I like it you are all calling him, just cos he's been found guilty that does not mean he did anything, sometimes the jury are wrong

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What do you mean he slipped and his c0ck forcefully entered the women's glory hole ?

I like how the Daily Mail couldn't help but mention that McDonald is 6'6" - BIG BLACK MAN ALERT!!!

They didn't mention how tall Evans was.

Quoted from Super Clive

What do you mean he slipped and his c0ck forcefully entered the women's glory hole ?

Great... Your back on here talking excrement

Quoted from 3581

Great... Your back on here talking excrement

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Quoted from Super Clive

5 years for assaulting a sheep...

Seriously though sick twit, hope he gets his anus ripped to beans by a big strapping black man.

Careful what you say

Why do footballers need to get done for rape, he probably has loads of girls after him so why go after someone who not consented and get your mates to film it outside, is he that sad.

Ye, i think 5 years is too short a sentence, such a disgusting thing. Hope he never plays again.

Quoted from Les Brechin

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But to be fair, this sir Clive guy speaks a lot of excrement. It has been nice while he's been away now wellsy is back  

Quoted from fiveallive

Why do footballers need to get done for rape, he probably has loads of girls after him so why go after someone who not consented and get your mates to film it outside, is he that sad.

So true!!....

If this was murder both would've gone down for it...either the other lad had a flipping great legal team or he just genuinely wasn't guilty...Evans on the other hand, it should be a career ender but I suspect it won't be. Someone will take a punt on him.

I'm sure he will have a hard time in the nick unless he gets shifted to a jail which specialises in working with sex offenders, whatton prison type place.

It'll be a big shock for him though, 20 hour bang up, urine stained walls and the risk that people will want to pick him as a target.

Serves him right though.

Quoted from aldi_01

If this was murder both would've gone down for it...either the other lad had a flipping great legal team or he just genuinely wasn't guilty...Evans on the other hand, it should be a career ender but I suspect it won't be. Someone will take a punt on him.

I'm sure he will have a hard time in the nick unless he gets shifted to a jail which specialises in working with sex offenders, whatton prison type place.

It'll be a big shock for him though, 20 hour bang up, urine stained walls and the risk that people will want to pick him as a target.

Serves him right though.

Surely he will be searched for any BLADES

The whole situation seems a bit bizarre to me. Like others have mentioned, does seem strange that one was convicted and the other wasn't. Strange that she seems to remember sleeping with McDonald, but was unaware of Ched Evans' involvement. I know a few lads from Rhyll who say that the girl involved has previously accused two others of rape but nothing came of it. Wouldn't surprise me if she recognised Evans' as a footballer seeing as they're both from the area and saw it as a to make some money or infamy. Something else that struck me as a bit weird is that there seems to have been no tests made on the girl to see how drunk she was or if she had any drugs in her system as she claimed to have been spiked.

Quoted from sam gy

Exactly, as I said, it's way bigger than football.

intercourse knows how McDonald has got away with it though. Especially as it all revolves around her being too drunk to consent, and he was the one who picked her up as she was stumbling down the street.

The only difference I can really see is that he came out of the room and told the hotel staff that she was ill, whereas Evans just did one out of the Fire Exit.

There you go. I mean they're both guilty or they're both innocent right? If she was too intoxicated to consent to one but not the other...just seems like there's a case for reasonable doubt. Mind you, I wasn't in court, and I haven't seen any of the evidence, so really I don't know anything.

Aaron's comment showed why he gets the abuse he does on here. The mind boggles.

Anyway back on topic - Im also confused as to why the other guy was found not guilty. Surely she was in an unfit state to say she wanted it with him as well. As the hotel staff reported her arriving heavily drunk!!

Quoted from aaron rattray

I like it you are all calling him, just cos he's been found guilty that does not mean he did anything, sometimes the jury are wrong

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He's a convicted rapist FFS, what do you expect, a fookin OBE for him?

It doesn't make sense to me on a few levels, not because he's a footballer but because it doesn't seem a very reliable story.

First of all they clear McDonald but convict Evans, when the girl put in an allegation of rape against BOTH of them. Meaning she's claiming she didn't consent to either of them, so why clear one and not the other? They both had sex with her and surely if she was 'too drunk' to consent to one she was too drunk to consent to both? Are they trying to claim that she got battered beyond having any control, poked a McDonald but all of a sudden was too drunk to take them both on so Evans is guilty? It doesn't work out. Regardless of whether you say that she had consented to McDonald earlier on, she was still in the same state when Evans got involved unless McDonald has a vodka bottle for a member!

Secondly and more importantly for me the girl said she cannot remember anything. So how does she know what she said to these guys? These two guys said under oath that she did. So who do we believe here, a girl who admitted she doesn't know what happened or the guys possibly facing prison who were in a state to remember what did happen? It's a tough one but it's not clear cut, so you cannot take a mans freedom for FIVE YEARS because a girl who can't remember something thinks she said no to.

Saying all this, they were both stupid for just doing it regardless of whether she said yes or not. Putting yourself in that situation as a footballer is daft given the history of women claiming rape against footballers.

Maybey she did say no and maybey today's verdict to put one of them away is the correct one and if so then good. But I don't agree with this theory that he's a scumbag rapist, I more see the point that he's an absolute flipping idiot. There would've been no aggressive malice in it, nor do I think he thought for one second that she was in no fit state, if he did he wouldn't had done it. Everything said though, there's just too many doubts for it to be a completely safe conviction.

The Fishy jury is in. None of them have been in the trial for the past fortnight but they've read a 500 word article on the internet  a couple of hours ago and are now ideally placed to share their expert opinion.

Quoted from jimbo22

In my opinion he should be banned from playing professional football ever again, especially as young kids will look to him as a role model. Its should be if any professional footballer commits any crime and is committed then the FA should ban them for life. Lee Hughes and Marlon King have got 2nd chances and will be earning vast sums of money and young kids will be idolising them and they have committed horrific crimes. Think with this case occurring it should give the FA the right opportunity to act.

The problem here is the urine poor standard of parenting in this country that perpetuates this idea that if someone is on the television, or in a newspaper, they are a role model.

This is a message for everyone on here - If you are only able to educate children to a level where they are unable differentiate between a role model and rapist, then please keep your member in your trousers.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Just had a text from a mate who's an Exeter City fan. They play Sheff Utd at home last game of the season. As only a miracle will keep Exeter up this season they've already got their chant ready.

"Down with Ched Evans, we're going down with Ched Evans"  

I had no idea he was on a charge - the first I knew of this was a post on FB from an Owls fan

Que sera sera, whatever will be will be, Ched's going to HMP....

Quoted from topuphere666

Aaron's comment showed why he gets the abuse he does on here. The mind boggles.

Anyway back on topic - Im also confused as to why the other guy was found not guilty. Surely she was in an unfit state to say she wanted it with him as well. As the hotel staff reported her arriving heavily drunk!!

Exactly.
So someone MIGHT have got it wrong ?

These comments at aarons expense are simply wrong IMO.
Seems to me he's suggesting black isn't white but gets put down by those suggesting white isn't black.  
But it's becoming an all too familiar theme in general on here for me.

Maringer for someone of your intelligence, you should know better too IMO.  
Just the final straw of cr*p tbh and Scott's attitude in the interview (same kind of thing for me) wasn't much better either IMO (poor role model !  ).

Never say never and nothing to do with what's on the pitch or in the boardroom (though the general attitude of the trust board concerns me), I just won't support what I personally perceive to be a growing bullying culture at the club (especially of a loyal 15 year old supporter).

But look on the bright side - least it's now + there's 1 less annoying supporter to have to "worry" (is that the key word at GTFC ?) about.  
So for some it's probably a great thing and it might help the club shoot up next season - I sincerely hope so.  
Good luck everyone, I'll be urging Town on sat at my computer.
UTM.

Quoted from ska face

The problem here is the urine poor standard of parenting in this country that perpetuates this idea that if someone is on the television, or in a newspaper, they are a role model.

This is a message for everyone on here - If you are only able to educate children to a level where they are unable differentiate between a role model and rapist, then please keep your member in your trousers.

Yes i understand your view. However youngster who have watched sheffield united this season and have seen Evans score 35 goals are clear going to idolise him, whether you educate them or not they will have seen him step foot on the football pitch and score goals and cleary want to do what he does.

Quoted from ska face

The problem here is the urine poor standard of parenting in this country that perpetuates this idea that if someone is on the television, or in a newspaper, they are a role model.

This is a message for everyone on here - If you are only able to educate children to a level where they are unable differentiate between a role model and rapist, then please keep your member in your trousers.

What happens when your role model becomes a rapist, though?

Quoted from aaron rattray

I like it you are all calling him, just cos he's been found guilty that does not mean he did anything, sometimes the jury are wrong

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i was ready to hang Evans but presented with your robust watertight argument i have changed my mind, it is now obvious to me the girl was a slapper and Evans should be acquitted and made Lord Mayor of Sheffield !! If only he had not hired the expensive QC and booked the new Barrymore instead.  

Quoted from Poojah

What happens when your role model becomes a rapist, though?

Why are we bringing kids up to admire the morals of footballers though?

Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but there needs to be a distinction between what they do on the pitch and what they do for the rest of the week and this is where parents should, you know, do some parenting and help children make that distinction.

Quoted from pontoonlew

It doesn't make sense to me on a few levels, not because he's a footballer but because it doesn't seem a very reliable story.

First of all they clear McDonald but convict Evans, when the girl put in an allegation of rape against BOTH of them. Meaning she's claiming she didn't consent to either of them, so why clear one and not the other? They both had sex with her and surely if she was 'too drunk' to consent to one she was too drunk to consent to both? Are they trying to claim that she got battered beyond having any control, poked a McDonald but all of a sudden was too drunk to take them both on so Evans is guilty? It doesn't work out. Regardless of whether you say that she had consented to McDonald earlier on, she was still in the same state when Evans got involved unless McDonald has a vodka bottle for a member!

Secondly and more importantly for me the girl said she cannot remember anything. So how does she know what she said to these guys? These two guys said under oath that she did. So who do we believe here, a girl who admitted she doesn't know what happened or the guys possibly facing prison who were in a state to remember what did happen? It's a tough one but it's not clear cut, so you cannot take a mans freedom for FIVE YEARS because a girl who can't remember something thinks she said no to.

Saying all this, they were both stupid for just doing it regardless of whether she said yes or not. Putting yourself in that situation as a footballer is daft given the history of women claiming rape against footballers.

Maybey she did say no and maybey today's verdict to put one of them away is the correct one and if so then good. But I don't agree with this theory that he's a scumbag rapist, I more see the point that he's an absolute flipping idiot. There would've been no aggressive malice in it, nor do I think he thought for one second that she was in no fit state, if he did he wouldn't had done it. Everything said though, there's just too many doubts for it to be a completely safe conviction.

Both should have been done for rape but without evidence proving she was drugged then there has to be reasonable doubt and they would have got off.  Taking advantage of someone who is either off their face drunk or away with the fairies on drugs is a sex predator.  A sex predator gets their kicks were they can,  his actions that night put him in that category.  It won't be the last time we hear about something like this, it's in some players ego's.

Quoted from ska face

Why are we bringing kids up to admire the morals of footballers though?

Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but there needs to be a distinction between what they do on the pitch and what they do for the rest of the week and this is where parents should, you know, do some parenting and help children make that distinction.

You're not being unrealistic at all. If in the future Ched Evans signs for another professional football team and starts scoring goals for them are people suggesting that young fans of that club will think 'I idolise him and to emulate him will take up rape as a hobby'. If that's the case then the parenting has probably been a bit on the weak side.

Cases like this are never clear cut. They didn't drug her, or hold a knife to her throat. She had a few drinks by her own volition. Now if you believe what the two men said she willingly got into a taxi, willingly went into the room, and as the jury seem to believe, willingly had sex with one man. As the judgement stands the jury believe she did not consent to sex with the second man.

The problem here is at what point does a drink become too much drink. If she had a couple of drinks and then had sex, but regretted it the morning after, could she still claim rape as if she'd been stone cold sober she wouldn't have consented? How many men on here have pulled last thing on a Saturday night, with beer goggles in full effect, and woken up next to the bride of wolfman, a woman you wouldn't touch with a barge pole if you where sober? Surely, if you had sex with her, but wouldn't have done if you'd been sober, you have a good reason to claim rape?

Is this also a good defence in other cases? "Sorry your onner, I gave him a good kickin, broke three of his ribs anthat, but I'd never have done it if I hadn't a few pints"

A good friend of mine was a accused of the same thing. He was accused of rape, which he claimed was consensual. His life was torn to pieces on the accusation of a woman who claimed she was too drunk to give consent, this despite the fact she climbed over a gate for the romantic encounter, and DNA test later proved she'd had sex with three different men that night(not at the same time). My friend was the only one to come forward after a police appeal, purely because he knew he had done nothing wrong, but he had the whole thing pinned on him. She later withdrew the accusation, and admitted she'd consented, but had panicked and claimed rape when her boyfriend found out. As it turns out this was also the third time she'd done this.

Before the blazing torches and pitch forks come out, I abhor rape, it is one of the worst crimes a man can carry out, and in genuine cases the best punishement involves a rusty knife and a pair of new earings. But I also hate the fact that a woman can get drunk, have a drunken tryst, regret it in the morning and then blame it on someone else.

The men and women who cry rape when it really wasn't rape but simply a drunken encounter which they now regret make it much harder for those that have been well and truly raped. It wastes police time, can ruin lives, both their own and the accused and just makes a mockery of things.

How many people on here would go near this girl? Very few, I am by no means saying I agree with rape etc but you would think twice just incase she did go and chuck some accusations around...I've been working with a girl who has done just this an what is more worrying, she will do it again because like anything there are some people who like to e centre of attention and only care about themselves and don't look at te big picture.

On the flip side, if Evans wasn't invites to join in, have a go or whatever you want to call it then he shouldhave refused but according to the jury and evidence he didn't therefore he needs to face the penalties.

Interesting that on Thursday a woman was sent to jail for perverting the cause of justice, wasting police time and false accusation of rape but only got 18 month i think...should the punishment for fabricating these stories be as high as it is for the actual crime? Someone's life still gets ruined? Purely playing devils advocate here of course.

Back to football, he has let his team down too. I suspect that if this had happened in October the blades might have had a different outcome in the league...

Quoted from jimbo22

Yes i understand your view. However youngster who have watched sheffield united this season and have seen Evans score 35 goals are clear going to idolise him, whether you educate them or not they will have seen him step foot on the football pitch and score goals and cleary want to do what he does.

Precisely, the way everybody idolises Liam Hearn on here. I don't understand why he should be banned from football when he's realised either, he's served the punishment the courts gave him, why should it carry on after?

Who's to say she gave them permission just to get some compo cos there are some wicked woman about.  It's opened a new can of worms to me, im not saying Evans is guilty or innocent but just imagine you taking a lass back to her house or vice versa then you have sex, but then she claims she was rapped or did not give any consent, are we suppose to walk around withsome form of consent slip.  

Quoted from scrumble

Cases like this are never clear cut. They didn't drug her, or hold a knife to her throat. She had a few drinks by her own volition. Now if you believe what the two men said she willingly got into a taxi, willingly went into the room, and as the jury seem to believe, willingly had sex with one man. As the judgement stands the jury believe she did not consent to sex with the second man.

The problem here is at what point does a drink become too much drink. If she had a couple of drinks and then had sex, but regretted it the morning after, could she still claim rape as if she'd been stone cold sober she wouldn't have consented? How many men on here have pulled last thing on a Saturday night, with beer goggles in full effect, and woken up next to the bride of wolfman, a woman you wouldn't touch with a barge pole if you where sober? Surely, if you had sex with her, but wouldn't have done if you'd been sober, you have a good reason to claim rape?

Is this also a good defence in other cases? "Sorry your onner, I gave him a good kickin, broke three of his ribs anthat, but I'd never have done it if I hadn't a few pints"

A good friend of mine was a accused of the same thing. He was accused of rape, which he claimed was consensual. His life was torn to pieces on the accusation of a woman who claimed she was too drunk to give consent, this despite the fact she climbed over a gate for the romantic encounter, and DNA test later proved she'd had sex with three different men that night(not at the same time). My friend was the only one to come forward after a police appeal, purely because he knew he had done nothing wrong, but he had the whole thing pinned on him. She later withdrew the accusation, and admitted she'd consented, but had panicked and claimed rape when her boyfriend found out. As it turns out this was also the third time she'd done this.

Before the blazing torches and pitch forks come out, I abhor rape, it is one of the worst crimes a man can carry out, and in genuine cases the best punishement involves a rusty knife and a pair of new earings. But I also hate the fact that a woman can get drunk, have a drunken tryst, regret it in the morning and then blame it on someone else.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

The Fishy jury is in. None of them have been in the trial for the past fortnight but they've read a 500 word article on the internet  a couple of hours ago and are now ideally placed to share their expert opinion.

I was just browsing the on line news and saw that his team-mate Connor Brown has been suspended by SUFC...

I wouldn't be surprised to see him in court too for what he's put out there in the public domain with his tweets.... could be in big trouble

I also didn't realise that our ex Man City loanee Javan Vidal had been out with Evans on the night in question and got involved in a court case of his own after it all kicked off at "The Godfather" kebab shop

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._v_Evans_and_McDonald

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchest.....-woman-during-brawl-

Wow. Kicking a woman shows an "impeccable character" these days, apparently! You live and learn.

Hmmm. Yes he went way OTT but all AFTER she'd head butted him.. I think I'd probably have gone berserker if some tart had butted me as well. Not to that extent though I'm sure... There's a line when it comes to self defence...

Quoted from Biccys

Hmmm. Yes he went way OTT but all AFTER she'd head butted him.. I think I'd probably have gone berserker if some tart had butted me as well. Not to that extent though I'm sure... There's a line when it comes to self defence...

I can't beleive you typed that  

I am not going to risk typing as do not want to be accused of inflammatory post  

Remember the powers of the bans reads this site and they know everything  

Quoted from kamakazebear

Precisely, the way everybody idolises Liam Hearn on here. I don't understand why he should be banned from football when he's realised either, he's served the punishment the courts gave him, why should it carry on after?

If i were convicted of a crime such as rape, I wouldnt be allowed to practice my profession upon release, nor would many people in lower paid jobs than pro football!

As the judge says, he has thrown away a promising career. . . Personally, I hope he never works again and has a life of poverty, drug addiction, misery and pain!