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Fair enough. I am by no means rooted in the 'yes' camp. What I do not agree with is the (admitted small) number of posters who believe the deal is bad purely because it has come from Fenty (he can't be trusted, he's playing the trust like a fiddle, he'd have the fingers from your hand etc). The deal of course offers Fenty some benefits. It would be a pretty strange move for him to try to broker a deal that did not benefit him in any way!
I remain sceptical that our financial situation is solid enough to not need JF at the moment. The Bennett money is obviously great, no arguments. The higher crowds have taken above what was budgeted which is a positive but we are on our best run of form for years - this is as good as it will get while we are outside the League and may not last. Furthermore, were we not budgetted to actually make a loss still? Hearn is definitely an asset but unless he is sold we won't get any money. There have been plenty of discussions that his sale may not actually be of any benefit if form and crowds dropped because of his sale. Wembley visits would be great but if you asked a dispassionate bookie they would point out that we are more likely to fail to reach Wembley than we are to get there. Clearly I'm a glass half empty man.
This phrase you used has really got me thinking too:
"adequate recompense for giving away 200,00 shares"
What do the Trust really lose? They still have a significant amount of shares that they did not have to pay for. Other than the vague sense that they are losing something they only just got, what will the negative impact be on the Trust? I'm not being rhetorical, I am genuinely asking for people's thoughts.
fair enough ,back!! it was me who made the comment about counting your fingers having shook hands with jf - may be a bit ott, but, although i think he is a fan and wants the best for the club, i think he wants the best for the club on his terms only. i also think that jf wants those shares and that control and in those circs i would be very,very wary of dealing with him coz i wouldn't trust him to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! yes , am probably guilty of being a bit over optimistic on the finances, but its not inconceivable that we make the play offs, perhaps just fail to go up and there would be a huge surge in interest for season tickets etc which would make us a lot more stable, immediately.what does the trust lose? well it's been dealt ,by fortune, a bloody good hand and giving over those shares loses us that good hand. it could also impact negatively on the trusts ability to be effective and attract new members if it were perceived that the trust were somehow fenty's poodle and had been shafted by him, and given away 200,00 votes in return for very little ps anyone else think that this thread is one of the best there's ever been on the fishy? plenty of well reasoned, sensible intelligent contributions from a large cross section of fishy posters. good work people! |
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| LeightonMariner |
| February 17, 2012, 11:05am |
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Here's a bit of left field speculation for you. It's fairly well documented that money from the sale/sell-on of Ryan Bennett plus perhaps a fee for Liam Hearn in the summer will secure the short term future of our club. Therefore absolutely no need for the Trust to give JF anything, particularly as he's using his standard 'if I can't play with it then no-one can' approach. So today we don't need his money............ unless of course............ god forbid......... that good old JF has casually mentioned that he'd like some of his 'loans' repaying from the windfall. Now that would be real sneaky, if he hasn't already thought of it, well, watch this space!
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| psgmariner |
| February 17, 2012, 11:07am |
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I'm not against handing the shares over per se meanwood, but I think the Trust could get a better deal from doing so.
Which I why I voted no. |
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| Trawler |
| February 17, 2012, 11:10am |
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Which I why I voted no.
Concise. |
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| forza ivano |
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Here's a bit of left field speculation for you. It's fairly well documented that money from the sale/sell-on of Ryan Bennett plus perhaps a fee for Liam Hearn in the summer will secure the short term future of our club. Therefore absolutely no need for the Trust to give JF anything, particularly as he's using his standard 'if I can't play with it then no-one can' approach. So today we don't need his money............ unless of course............ god forbid......... that good old JF has casually mentioned that he'd like some of his 'loans' repaying from the windfall. Now that would be real sneaky, if he hasn't already thought of it, well, watch this space!
oooh , you'd have to be really desperate/sneaky/underhand/ruthless/ a nasty piece of work if you'd resort to those tactics! can't believe you could even think that jf would stoop to such a level  just another thought that hasn't been mentioned - will jf really want to walk away or to potentially ruin the club when we are possibly on the cusp of a return to some sort of glory? i can imagine that he wants to be the man who is lauded as being our saviour and number 1 fan if and when we get back into the league, in a blaze of glory. any pyschologists out there who can comment on the pursuit by rich men of power and glory? |
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| forza ivano |
| February 17, 2012, 11:11am |
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Which I why I voted no.
sounds like another potential member of your 3rd way, trawler! |
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| Marinerz93 |
| February 17, 2012, 11:13am |
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Here's a bit of left field speculation for you. It's fairly well documented that money from the sale/sell-on of Ryan Bennett plus perhaps a fee for Liam Hearn in the summer will secure the short term future of our club. Therefore absolutely no need for the Trust to give JF anything, particularly as he's using his standard 'if I can't play with it then no-one can' approach. So today we don't need his money............ unless of course............ god forbid......... that good old JF has casually mentioned that he'd like some of his 'loans' repaying from the windfall. Now that would be real sneaky, if he hasn't already thought of it, well, watch this space!
But then he'd be going back on his word of putting the club in peril, something he said he wouldn't do. |
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| February 17, 2012, 11:14am |
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sounds like another potential member of your 3rd way, trawler!
It sounds as if PSG has already voted. And to be fair I think you coined "3rd way" first forza. |
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| psgmariner |
| February 17, 2012, 11:15am |
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Concise.
To use the terminology of Deal or No Deal I think there is another round in this! Say no now and I am sure a better offer would be made in 6 months time. |
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| psgmariner |
| February 17, 2012, 11:16am |
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It sounds as if PSG has already voted. And to be fair I think you coined "3rd way" first forza.
I have, posted it yesterday. Would have voted for the 3rd way if it was there though. |
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