JS where are you.!!!!

We need a statement from Jason to the fans about the situation not another Guardian interview.
Jason you are sending this club down again probably to oblivion, nice scotch eggs don’t win matches.
Has anyone heard anything from our new CEO another silent waste of money.

He is eating a scotch egg whilst reading the Guardian

Did you want him at centre back to make a simple touch and clearance for their first or in midfield to not needlessly give possession away for the second?

The CEO hasnt started yet

We dont need a statement from Jason, What could he say that we dont already know? We know we’re excrement but stick with us for 7 games?



The scotch egg lineis seriously flipping boring btw

There’s no point in even having a pop at them, it’ll only make them do the exact opposite of what should be done. They do have a lot to answer for though and it begs the question, in what way are we better off under them than we were under Fenty?

Whilst we should always hold owners to account and I’ll fully support fans questioning the custodians of a football club I’m not sure what you expect?

If he doesn’t do his guardian article (which he’s probably contractually obliged to do) will that make you feel any better? Will it improve the team or the football club in anyway?

What do you expect a statement from him to say? "sorry for the team being excrement"?

As for the scotch egg comment, are we still banging that drum? no, a nice scotch egg doesn't get you 3 points on a saturday. but, theyre part of improving the overall experience which might make fans keep coming back.

Quoted from davmariner

There’s no point in even having a pop at them, it’ll only make them do the exact opposite of what should be done. They do have a lot to answer for though and it begs the question, in what way are we better off under them than we were under Fenty?

It’s all well and good investing in the infrastructure but surely the most important thing is to compete at a level that sustains your revenue. Another relegation would have a monumental impact on the club and the owners would have failed quite catastrophically. Not only would it have a massive revenue impact but also need another reinvestment to get back up again.

Who are ya , where are ya ……… it’s all gone a bit Delia

Just as a matter of interest Yoda why is it that JS takes all the flak and non is ever directed at Andrew? After all they bought the club together and it’s likely that Andrew will be Chairman at some stage and will be a major contributor to all decisions made about the club and how it’s run.

To be honest matchday experience for me is having a seat, I arrive ten minutes before kick off and leave at full time ( earlier v Walsall and Donny) so basically don’t spend any money at the ground and to be honest with driving to the game nothing they do will change that. I appreciate for many arriving early having a few beets and something to eat is part of their ritual so it’s great that they get a much better product. The more fans that get there early, the more money that is spent which all positively helps the club so posh scotch eggs are probably an asset ( providing that money is spent wisely!!!).

Get Back up Again?
I’m not sure we could do it a 3rd time and I fear many years in the wilderness

I suspect that both our majority shareholders will have had a rude awakening about the money required to compete in L2. We got away with it a little bit last season with a cup run disguising what was an otherwise relatively disappointing season. I know we came 11th but if it wasn’t for a good loan signing in January (Lloyd) having a good partnership with McAtee we would have found ourselves only just above the relegation zone.

Unfortunately whilst the rest of the division has really kicked on, we’ve regressed. Replaced a dependable keeper with two who aren’t good enough, time caught up with Waterfall and Smith went back, the midfield was poor all season and wasn’t improved and only up front have we managed to be okay.

I suspect that it’s partly we’re not spending too much on wages but also that Hurst wasted the budget e.g an inexplicable three year contract for Harvey Rodgers or your number 9 being a player who’s played the last two seasons at wing back. Either way, if we manage to survive then next season we’re going to have to do a lot more to compete. Forget the infrastructure, it’ll be totally irrelevant if we end up an established non league side.

We are awful, but this is clearly a thread for the heavy heads to babble a load of gibberish.

Do not worry lads, he has listened to the majority of fans on here and will be replacing the  scotch eggs with beetroot sarnies, a firm favourite amongst the posters on this site.

As a caveat he said he will not be responsible for the cleaning up of the inevitable stains on the 5XL replica shirts.

Quoted from Yoda

We need a statement from Jason to the fans about the situation not another Guardian interview.
Jason you are sending this club down again probably to oblivion, nice scotch eggs don’t win matches.
Has anyone heard anything from our new CEO another silent waste of money.

urine off Yoda, you're parasitic.

Quoted from Hagrid

The scotch egg lineis seriously flipping boring btw

Especially as we haven't had them for over a season now and J.S. and A.P. do not control what the people who have the franchises sell in their outlets.

Quoted from male private Nale

Do not worry lads, he has listened to the majority of fans on here and will be replacing the  scotch eggs with beetroot sarnies, a firm favourite amongst the posters on this site.

As a caveat he said he will not be responsible for the cleaning up of the inevitable stains on the 5XL replica shirts.

If at first you make a joke about beetroot sandwiches that falls flat because it’s so amazingly unfunny, try it a few more hundred times and eventually it’ll get a laugh.

I’ve never had any dealings with running a football club.  But  I’ve worked for a major national company  (25,000 employees) before having my own company (100 emplyees).
I experienced many experts who came to work who had an ‘oligy’, had read (allegedly) many books and could spout very plausible bullshit. (for a while) and they soon found they’d entered a world that didn’t fit their ideas & expectations.  Sometimes their ideas, data, algorithm's MIGHT help BUT as supporting rather than leading the way.

Ultimately from my perspective football is about people, the intangible and experience - it is not a science.

The fun has gone because I think the soul is being damaged. I’m gutted I feel this way.  For the first time my glass is half empty..  I think I’m done but ……….

As a bullshitt.r I hate being bullshitt.d but I can’t see where we are supposed to be heading and I fear where we actually are heading.

Don't need a statement, we needed action after the Doncaster game but that didn't come.
Things now feel like the Fenty days  

Quoted from TAGG

Don't need a statement, we needed action after the Doncaster game but that didn't come.
Things now feel like the Fenty days  

But we are getting into much more debt.

Quoted from mariner91

If at first you make a joke about beetroot sandwiches that falls flat because it’s so amazingly unfunny, try it a few more hundred times and eventually it’ll get a laugh.

Believe me, the beetroot brigade know exactly who they are! Chomp Chomp

Quoted from male private Nale

Do not worry lads, he has listened to the majority of fans on here and will be replacing the  scotch eggs with beetroot sarnies, a firm favourite amongst the posters on this site.

As a caveat he said he will not be responsible for the cleaning up of the inevitable stains on the 5XL replica shirts.

Right on cue - you’ve just illustrated my point.

Another defeat another trolling thread from Yoda - persevere forumites eventually he’ll discover self abuse and lose interest.

Nigel Pearson on tv just now said he was out of post.
Remember watching Carlisle under his management seeing them beat Plymouth to stay in the football league - and they did - courtesy of Jimmy Glass - and I was fortunate enough to watch Jimmy move all of the way up the pitch to see him score.
Point being - get Nigel on board now

Our recruitment is poor. Last summer there was no real urgency IMO, to put a squad together. Who identifies players, who watches them and what is done to help them settle? What do they say to try and attract to Grimsby? We apparently had a chest full of money to spend from the Cup run, but where has it gone? We had no goalkeeper signed until the 11th hour, even thoiugh it was known that Crocombe was not staying?
How come Barrow can put a decent squad together? Plus teams like Harrogate. Do they tell them they can take the waters? Crawley as well. Do they say next to Gatwick so you get away on your hols quickly?
I have no idea but we have gone backwards.
Is it just down to money or is it becuase of the fact that Grimsby is out on a limb?
It does my head in. Not the Conference again. Sutton winning today is a real killer. 3 points now the safety net. Cannot believe we are here again.

This Manager is trouble he's got me panicking I honestly don't think he's got a scooby.What he is brilliant at is trying to deflect .Today it's the refs fault. Load of hot air Rodgers at fault for the first Thompson the 2nd .No threat till it was too late and still not one midfield player who can pass and move which makes me wonder what we work on all week.We are consistently the worst team with set pieces can't pass and can't defend.Artell has been an absolute disaster of an appointment and the event we stay up we will be right in the excrement again next season.

Quoted from male private Nale

Believe me, the beetroot brigade know exactly who they are! Chomp Chomp

I know who I am  .. the beetroot brigade.

Quoted from mariner91

If at first you make a joke about beetroot sandwiches that falls flat because it’s so amazingly unfunny, try it a few more hundred times and eventually it’ll get a laugh.

I think it’s hilarious, most town fans look like they have escaped from an asylum.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

I think it’s hilarious, most town fans look like they have escaped from an asylum.

Yes but that’s cause you’re the only other sad cúnt on here who thinks going on about beetroot is funny.

Artell sounds like a manager under pressure and who’s jobs on the line blaming refs clutching at straws.
I watched the game and thought the ref was ok.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Nigel Pearson on tv just now said he was out of post.
Remember watching Carlisle under his management seeing them beat Plymouth to stay in the football league - and they did - courtesy of Jimmy Glass - and I was fortunate enough to watch Jimmy move all of the way up the pitch to see him score.
Point being - get Nigel on board now

He won't come if he thinks we will be non league next season.

If we survive I would like him in the summer he is a good manager.

Quoted from mariner91

Yes but that’s cause you’re the only other sad cúnt on here who thinks going on about beetroot is funny.

Foul and abusive language, the natives are restless this evening. Come on surely there is more in your life than this message board and club? Why so angry

Quoted from darren9

Whilst we should always hold owners to account and I’ll fully support fans questioning the custodians of a football club I’m not sure what you expect?

If he doesn’t do his guardian article (which he’s probably contractually obliged to do) will that make you feel any better? Will it improve the team or the football club in anyway?

What do you expect a statement from him to say? "sorry for the team being excrement"?

As for the scotch egg comment, are we still banging that drum? no, a nice scotch egg doesn't get you 3 points on a saturday. but, theyre part of improving the overall experience which might make fans keep coming back.

My Scotch egg didn't have a runny yolk.

Quoted from Yoda

Artell sounds like a manager under pressure and who’s jobs on the line blaming refs clutching at straws.
I watched the game and thought the ref was ok.

Yeah. Obikwu was bullied all game but it was a case of the centre backs were just bigger and tougher than him. And when that’s the case you can forgive the referee for missing the odd instance where a genuine foul has been committed.

I like Obikwu. If all the players worked as hard as he has over the past couple of months I think we’d be several points better off and not worrying about relegation.

And I’d extend that to Andrews too. Works his bottom off for the team.

Quoted from darren9

Whilst we should always hold owners to account and I’ll fully support fans questioning the custodians of a football club I’m not sure what you expect?

If he doesn’t do his guardian article (which he’s probably contractually obliged to do) will that make you feel any better? Will it improve the team or the football club in anyway?

What do you expect a statement from him to say? "sorry for the team being excrement"?

As for the scotch egg comment, are we still banging that drum? no, a nice scotch egg doesn't get you 3 points on a saturday. but, theyre part of improving the overall experience which might make fans keep coming back.

The most important part of the overall experience’ is the football. The fact is that many, many more fans than I can ever remember are walking out before the end of the game. The result and the performance are paramount.

Disappointed and actually still a bit surprised at some of the responses to yesterday. Yeah, it was crap… again… but why are people so quick to chuck about the rubbish references and dig out the owners and coach again? Mad how some people can live their lives flip-flopping from one opinion to another so much.

6 games without defeat in a crucial period ended against money bags FC. It was always going to happen. They weren’t ahead by the millions of pounds of investment that they should have been either. Losing away at Barrow as well, as disappointing as it is, was always going to be a very tough game. We know they are one of the best sides in the league and they have the likes of Stockton who we can’t compete with right now. Whether we should be turning up against the likes of Barrow expecting nothing is a conversation for another time.

The season is dead from any other perspective than just getting one more point or a better goal difference than the 23rd placed side. Beat Bradford and we should be talking about 7 positive results from our last 9, not losing these last two matches against promotion chasers.

I have made my feelings clear on the squad enough times - I don’t think it’s good enough and I’m massively disappointed with last summers recruitment, once again. Just because results didn’t go our way yesterday though doesn’t mean we have to stoop for the scotch egg/pontoon paint job analogies etc.

Quoted from quebec38

Disappointed and actually still a bit surprised at some of the responses to yesterday. Yeah, it was crap… again… but why are people so quick to chuck about the rubbish references and dig out the owners and coach again? Mad how some people can live their lives flip-flopping from one opinion to another so much.

6 games without defeat in a crucial period ended against money bags FC. It was always going to happen. They weren’t ahead by the millions of pounds of investment that they should have been either. Losing away at Barrow as well, as disappointing as it is, was always going to be a very tough game. We know they are one of the best sides in the league and they have the likes of Stockton who we can’t compete with right now. Whether we should be turning up against the likes of Barrow expecting nothing is a conversation for another time.

The season is dead from any other perspective than just getting one more point or a better goal difference than the 23rd placed side. Beat Bradford and we should be talking about 7 positive results from our last 9, not losing these last two matches against promotion chasers.

I have made my feelings clear on the squad enough times - I don’t think it’s good enough and I’m massively disappointed with last summers recruitment, once again. Just because results didn’t go our way yesterday though doesn’t mean we have to stoop for the scotch egg/pontoon paint job analogies etc.

You have answered your own questions. "Yeah, it was crap - again" which sums up this and many other EFL seasons.

How would you expect fans to react? Of course people will lash out because football and a lifetime support of your home town club is a very passionate and nerve shredding business.

I think people sense what is about to unfold and tempers will fray especially when we should never have been in this position.

Quoted from quebec38

Disappointed and actually still a bit surprised at some of the responses to yesterday. Yeah, it was crap… again… but why are people so quick to chuck about the rubbish references and dig out the owners and coach again? Mad how some people can live their lives flip-flopping from one opinion to another so much.

6 games without defeat in a crucial period ended against money bags FC. It was always going to happen. They weren’t ahead by the millions of pounds of investment that they should have been either. Losing away at Barrow as well, as disappointing as it is, was always going to be a very tough game. We know they are one of the best sides in the league and they have the likes of Stockton who we can’t compete with right now. Whether we should be turning up against the likes of Barrow expecting nothing is a conversation for another time.

The season is dead from any other perspective than just getting one more point or a better goal difference than the 23rd placed side. Beat Bradford and we should be talking about 7 positive results from our last 9, not losing these last two matches against promotion chasers.

I have made my feelings clear on the squad enough times - I don’t think it’s good enough and I’m massively disappointed with last summers recruitment, once again. Just because results didn’t go our way yesterday though doesn’t mean we have to stoop for the scotch egg/pontoon paint job analogies etc.

4 wins out of 20 under Artell. That’s a win percentage of 20%. If you include the FA Cup it’s 4 out of 21 and 19%.

Even Nicky Law managed to win 23% of his games.

I have largely kept off here since the Doncaster defeat and have kept silent on Artell. But here goes… The guy appears to be useless and his spell can be summed up with the term “abject failure”. Whether he takes us down or maintains our place in the EFL he needs to be sacked on April 28th (assuming he’s still Head Coach then).

And on the subject of the owners… I expect better from them than we had under Fenty. If anything we’re worse when you factor in the increased budget. And they have failed to deliver on key pledges. i.e. New training ground and finding additional investors. Look at Lincoln. They have investors coming out of their ar$e and have a new training ground which they are continuing to improve.

Quoted from davmariner

There’s no point in even having a pop at them, it’ll only make them do the exact opposite of what should be done. They do have a lot to answer for though and it begs the question, in what way are we better off under them than we were under Fenty?

Wow! ⬆️

I think the only thing 1878 do need to challenge Artell on yesterday as it looked like he was saving his better players for Monday. The starting 11 yesterday would have struggled to beat most sides in the top half of the NL.

I think it's pretty obvious that he didn't want to risk a half-fit Rose and risk losing him for the rest of the run in. Perfectly reasonable, providing he is fit to start on Monday.

As for this thread, it always surprises me just how easily the handful of obvious trolls on this board get posters to bite. All that happens is that we end up with another shitshow of a thread regurgitating the stuff posted in a couple of other threads with everybody even more depressed and nothing changed one iota. Trolls are inadequates in every way and the only way you can get rid of them is not to bite.

I imagine /hope  Stockwood & Pettit are looking at the forecast for next season and figuring out how to plug the gap in matchday revenue which in no doubt is coming - season ticket sales are going to be down dramatically , and barring our old favourite 'football fortune '(which i now  consider us having an anomaly of a good season )  matchday attendances will be down quite a bit you would have thought . Factor in that people will be able to watch most games on the box (for free if they choose ) .

I will go week in week out , out of blind loyalty and because it's a decent form of escapism + a few pints but I'm not sure if the goodwill will be there ,from more people than  the club will think ; it's at tipping point for the many not the few I would have thought and who can blame them .

Quoted from Yoda

Artell sounds like a manager under pressure and who’s jobs on the line blaming refs clutching at straws.
I watched the game and thought the ref was ok.

Think Artell must have been going through his desk drawers and found Hurst book of excuses.

Quoted from Mappers

I imagine /hope  Stockwood & Pettit are looking at the forecast for next season and figuring out how to plug the gap in matchday revenue which in no doubt is coming - season ticket sales are going to be down dramatically , and barring our old favourite 'football fortune '(which i now  consider us having an anomaly of a good season )  matchday attendances will be down quite a bit you would have thought . Factor in that people will be able to watch most games on the box (for free if they choose ) .

I will go week in week out , out of blind loyalty and because it's a decent form of escapism + a few pints but I'm not sure if the goodwill will be there ,from more people than  the club will think ; it's at tipping point for the many not the few I would have thought and who can blame them .

At this present moment in time I expect us to get relegated, if that happens I’m not sure what I’ll do. Been a STH for a very long time but I’m not sure I can stomach another spell in non league.

Tipping point for many? I agree completely.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Think Artell must have been going through his desk drawers and found Hurst book of excuses.

At least he can’t blame “egg shape balls” with all the new infrastructure. 😉😉.

Won’t get relegated, but ticket income will be down and note from the accounts comercial income is already down in-spite of FFortune in those related years.

May have to dig deep these professional investors 😩😩

Understand that when things aren’t going well no one is above criticism but what would people have liked our owners to have done differently? No one knows how our budget compares to other clubs in the league and it’s very easy to spend someone else’s money. Managerial dismissals and appointments have been generally met with approval at the time and improvements in infrastructure have been pretty unavoidable. What would people have done differently without referring to the irrelevant  scotch eggs or Guardian articles?

Vance - I would have liked our owners not to have sacked Paul Hurst and associates - that’s what I would have done differently.
The owners appointed them, and they paid them back with interest with promotion back to League 2
The owners ‘vision’ has led Town in to the current mess.

Quoted from Yoda

We need a statement from Jason to the fans about the situation not another Guardian interview.
Jason you are sending this club down again probably to oblivion, nice scotch eggs don’t win matches.
Has anyone heard anything from our new CEO another silent waste of money.

Going back the OP , the CEO doesnt start until the summer and there arent any scotch eggs on sale, but apart from that it's all factually correct

Quoted from forza ivano

Going back the OP , the CEO doesnt start until the summer and there arent any scotch eggs on sale, but apart from that it's all factually correct

The scotch eggs thing is a bit of a red herring but four or five months without a CEO seems odd.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The scotch eggs thing is a bit of a red herring but four or five months without a CEO seems odd.

Theres someone ( cant remember his name, sorry) who is filling in .
Not that unusual , given notice periods at that level
Of course. they might well have taken the view that the appointee was the outstanding candidate, and it was worth waiting for the 3 months

Quoted from Teestogreen

Vance - I would have liked our owners not to have sacked Paul Hurst and associates - that’s what I would have done differently.
The owners appointed them, and they paid them back with interest with promotion back to League 2
The owners ‘vision’ has led Town in to the current mess.

What does that final sentence mean, because it makes no sense to me?

Quoted from chaos33

What does that final sentence mean, because it makes no sense to me?

I tend to agree with Teestogreen. My hunch as to what that last sentence means is that JS started talking about the Grimsby Way and talking up the relationship with the twentyfirst group, and this undermined or at least created uncertainty in PH's mind when it came to last summer's recruitment. Was he getting players in that he thought would suit what the owners wanted rather than what he would have instinctively have gone for? He did say on numerous occasions last season that we needed more height in the team, and then didn't buy anyone in midfield or attack that fitted that description, which always seemed odd. And towards the end of last season and the beginning of this we were playing a different style than what PH has ever done, so I think its fair to assume that he felt pressured to break away from what had worked for him in the past.

But wasn’t it mentioned that PH ignored various things (transfer targets, methods) and did a lot his own way? I get a bit torn on this..in various ways..hate seeing a bloke get hung to dry after he’s put a decade or more in trying to get better. And he did..achieved stuff here. Still maintain his biggest achievement was lasting so long under previous owner in that environment. Not sure we’ll ever get an answer on what’s gone wrong..be it recruitment, approach or whatever. But something hugely amiss. Frustrating in that we never step up/move forward ..take advantage of positive things. Pretty much like last time we got back in the EFL within a short time we’re back to square one. Must be frustrating for owners..they’re the ones financing it ..as are fans week in week out. Just wish we could get a group in who’d want to prove a point..better themselves.. and not just think of it as a salary. I understand Grimsby isn’t seen as a ‘good’ place to be ..but maybe try to turn that into an advantage..us against the rest/upset the applecart so to speak. There’s one way to get folk speaking better about a place/club..and that’s performing. Against the odds.

I’m pretty non plussed personally atm, wrote this season off thinking we’d just stay up..that’s under questioning atm but ‘think’ we’ll just have enough. Question is what we do to make it better in future (should we stay up) - has to be serious questions as to who we get,why we want them, and what they can bring. Need a change of mentality. Whether DA is the man ti help with that I don’t know..but he’s here for the foreseeable so have to back him. Same with the owners..seen some shite on here ..threads starting ‘where are you’ etc.. take a minute before posting..fgs. If you think pouring money into a club like Grimsby is beneficial ti those doing it - think again. They’re probably equally as gutted as us lot..probably more. They’ll make mistakes..they’ll do questionable things..they’ll say things..but they’re trying. It’s easy to knock from the outside in.

The best scenario is we cling to safety by hook or by crook and start again. Literally. Sure that process/thought is already in situ.. but the one thing we can all agree on - is we all want the club to perform better.

Quoted from marinerjase

But wasn’t it mentioned that PH ignored various things (transfer targets, methods) and did a lot his own way? I get a bit torn on this..in various ways..hate seeing a bloke get hung to dry after he’s put a decade or more in trying to get better. And he did..achieved stuff here. Still maintain his biggest achievement was lasting so long under previous owner in that environment. Not sure we’ll ever get an answer on what’s gone wrong..be it recruitment, approach or whatever. But something hugely amiss. Frustrating in that we never step up/move forward ..take advantage of positive things. Pretty much like last time we got back in the EFL within a short time we’re back to square one. Must be frustrating for owners..they’re the ones financing it ..as are fans week in week out. Just wish we could get a group in who’d want to prove a point..better themselves.. and not just think of it as a salary. I understand Grimsby isn’t seen as a ‘good’ place to be ..but maybe try to turn that into an advantage..us against the rest/upset the applecart so to speak. There’s one way to get folk speaking better about a place/club..and that’s performing. Against the odds.

I’m pretty non plussed personally atm, wrote this season off thinking we’d just stay up..that’s under questioning atm but ‘think’ we’ll just have enough. Question is what we do to make it better in future (should we stay up) - has to be serious questions as to who we get,why we want them, and what they can bring. Need a change of mentality. Whether DA is the man ti help with that I don’t know..but he’s here for the foreseeable so have to back him. Same with the owners..seen some shite on here ..threads starting ‘where are you’ etc.. take a minute before posting..fgs. If you think pouring money into a club like Grimsby is beneficial ti those doing it - think again. They’re probably equally as gutted as us lot..probably more. They’ll make mistakes..they’ll do questionable things..they’ll say things..but they’re trying. It’s easy to knock from the outside in.

The best scenario is we cling to safety by hook or by crook and start again. Literally. Sure that process/thought is already in situ.. but the one thing we can all agree on - is we all want the club to perform better.

Unless we get serious investment or go heavy handed down the player sale route I see more of the same tbh with the odd anomaly season as a football league club . It's become (however much people , and me actually don't like it ) clear capital has become king, even lower down .

Recruitment was dreadfully poor in the summer either because it was the best we could  get , or really bad choices were made ; possibly a combination of both .

Any recruitment process which led to us signing Rekeil Pyke as a No. 9 is ludicrously flawed.

Actually, I'm surprised we've not tried playing him as a wing-back, as he's got more experience in that position than most of our squad. Yes, I know he's another who has rarely been fit.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Understand that when things aren’t going well no one is above criticism but what would people have liked our owners to have done differently? No one knows how our budget compares to other clubs in the league and it’s very easy to spend someone else’s money. Managerial dismissals and appointments have been generally met with approval at the time and improvements in infrastructure have been pretty unavoidable. What would people have done differently without referring to the irrelevant  scotch eggs or Guardian articles?

Hers a few things
1 Not said we don’t know anything about running the football side of the club then recruited a new manager and told him what style of football we should be playing .
2 Not said our model is to sign players on long term contracts for continuity and wish to develop and sell on  only to sell on the only player that was any good and fitted the bill after 5 months.
3 Not said we don’t need more investors when we are crying out for new investment.
4 Not said all the stats say we’re are good when it’s obvious we are crap.
5 Not said we don’t need more ground capacity when people are being turned away from watching a team that’s  third bottom of League 2 or watching from seats that have terrible views
6 Not promised a new training ground and then not delivered anything even vaguely convincing that anything is happening after  3 years plus.
7 Not  have used the club to raise there profile in circles nothing to do with football.
8 Not have frequent digs at fans who are intelligent enough to recognise BS when they see it .
I  am sure I can come up with more but as one of the few sceptics from day 1  in respect of the alpha of the two owners  I will just get more pelters.

Artell's living in cuckoo land. He doesn't want to talk about the National League but that's exactly where we're heading.

He won't be sacked, we just have to hope.

If we go down, the 'project' is over anyway. Artell will leave because in his clueless mind he's better than the National League. We're then left with no manager, another honking set of players (baring Rose who will deservedly leave), and we'll miss out on the improved TV deal.

In hindsight, Hurst's decision about Crocombe is the biggest mistake IMO. We've missed a dependable leader, a shithouse, and a solid enough keeper. Why on earth did he think it was a good decision to sign Eastwood??

I'm praying for a win on Monday.

People are waking up to realise we have been conned on a massive scale. I sincerely believe this was a vanity project by  Stockwood from the outset,it has badly misfired on him .I realise it's not a comfortable feeling to realise that you have been conned ,but there you have it.

Quoted from BulkyMariner

Artell's living in cuckoo land. He doesn't want to talk about the National League but that's exactly where we're heading.

He won't be sacked, we just have to hope.

If we go down, the 'project' is over anyway. Artell will leave because in his clueless mind he's better than the National League. We're then left with no manager, another honking set of players (baring Rose who will deservedly leave), and we'll miss out on the improved TV deal.

In hindsight, Hurst's decision about Crocombe is the biggest mistake IMO. We've missed a dependable leader, a shithouse, and a solid enough keeper. Why on earth did he think it was a good decision to sign Eastwood??

I'm praying for a win on Monday.

I think I said on another post if we go down I suspect they’ll not sack Artell as relegation would be reframed as a setback for the “project”.

That said I think the owners have integrity and did/do things for the right reasons & the betterment of the club.

Quoted from friskneymariner

People are waking up to realise we have been conned on a massive scale. I sincerely believe this was a vanity project by  Stockwood from the outset,it has badly misfired on him .I realise it's not a comfortable feeling to realise that you have been conned ,but there you have it.

Are you feeling OK?

Quoted from Teestogreen

Vance - I would have liked our owners not to have sacked Paul Hurst and associates - that’s what I would have done differently.
The owners appointed them, and they paid them back with interest with promotion back to League 2
The owners ‘vision’ has led Town in to the current mess.

Their vision hasn't helped. But the bulk of the blame lies squarely with Hurst who put together an unbalanced, unathletic and incompetent squad. We weren't brilliant last season most of the time and after a reasonable start when on a run in the league of winning only 4 games from mid September until the end of January. Only the signings of Lloyd and to a lesser extent Emmanuel stopped the rot and if you look at points won after January there's only one game where our goals weren't either scored or assisted by players we lost in the summer notably Lloyd, McAtee, Orsi and Emmanuel.

The midfield was poor last season, there was an issue at left back where teams were targeting us, Waterfall's legs were starting to fail him, Smith would go back and we'd lose the bulk of our attacking threat in McAtee and Lloyd. The midfield wasn't improved other than Conteh but it's a sad situation if you're reliant on a 20 year old in his first full FL season. Clifton, Holohan and Green have no quality on the ball. Hunt is ineffective and something isn't right there. And we signed Andrews who is too green without some competent experienced help around him. The left back situation wasn't rectified and to make matters worse Hurst signed a left winger who may as well not be on the pitch when out of possession. Waterfall wasn't replaced and Rodgers being signed on a three year deal was an abysmal decision. To make matters worse at the back he also signed a first choice right back who is just about competent as a right sided centre back with two others alongside him but gets regularly rinsed at right back and  Hurst replaced a competent goalkeeper with two who are just nowhere near good enough. The only area of recruitment that wasn't completely wretched was up front where without Rose we'd have been relegated weeks ago but even then our number 9 can't play as a central striker, had been played as a wing back for the last two seasons and had managed a grand total of 8 FL goals when he signed for us at the age of 25. Even if you include his goals scored in the NL he'd managed 13 goals in the professional game which equals less than two a season since he started.

Ultimately the squad had severe limitations after the end of last season, existing issues weren't solved and new problems were created from poor recruitment. Why the recruitment was so bad I don't think we'll ever know for sure but if we go down it is more Hurst's fault than anyone else. The worst pre-season recruitment we've ever seen other than Holloway's Covid madness.

Quoted from Maringer

Are you feeling OK?

How can anyone feel o.k about our current position.

I'm not talking about the current situation. It's the bizarre theory that Stockwood and Pettit only bought the club as a vanity project. It's only 5 minutes since the new ownership was being praised as a breath of fresh air. Now they are somehow conning us?

Utter nonsense, I'm afraid.

Like everyone else, I’m hoping that a couple of decent results this week seals our EFL future but the season, as a whole, has been a fking shambles. Rumours that Shrewsbury tapped up Hurst in the summer, uncertainty over the signings, ownership input into playing style, it just looks muddled and disorganised. We were told, after promotion, that this wouldn’t happen again.

Let’s be honest, apart from a bit of painting and a new Ponny roof (both cosmetic), we’re not much better off than we were when they took over- a lot of talk but no substance.

Quoted from mariner91

Their vision hasn't helped. But the bulk of the blame lies squarely with Hurst who put together an unbalanced, unathletic and incompetent squad. We weren't brilliant last season most of the time and after a reasonable start when on a run in the league of winning only 4 games from mid September until the end of January. Only the signings of Lloyd and to a lesser extent Emmanuel stopped the rot and if you look at points won after January there's only one game where our goals weren't either scored or assisted by players we lost in the summer notably Lloyd, McAtee, Orsi and Emmanuel.

The midfield was poor last season, there was an issue at left back where teams were targeting us, Waterfall's legs were starting to fail him, Smith would go back and we'd lose the bulk of our attacking threat in McAtee and Lloyd. The midfield wasn't improved other than Conteh but it's a sad situation if you're reliant on a 20 year old in his first full FL season. Clifton, Holohan and Green have no quality on the ball. Hunt is ineffective and something isn't right there. And we signed Andrews who is too green without some competent experienced help around him. The left back situation wasn't rectified and to make matters worse Hurst signed a left winger who may as well not be on the pitch when out of possession. Waterfall wasn't replaced and Rodgers being signed on a three year deal was an abysmal decision. To make matters worse at the back he also signed a first choice right back who is just about competent as a right sided centre back with two others alongside him but gets regularly rinsed at right back and  Hurst replaced a competent goalkeeper with two who are just nowhere near good enough. The only area of recruitment that wasn't completely wretched was up front where without Rose we'd have been relegated weeks ago but even then our number 9 can't play as a central striker, had been played as a wing back for the last two seasons and had managed a grand total of 8 FL goals when he signed for us at the age of 25. Even if you include his goals scored in the NL he'd managed 13 goals in the professional game which equals less than two a season since he started.

Ultimately the squad had severe limitations after the end of last season, existing issues weren't solved and new problems were created from poor recruitment. Why the recruitment was so bad I don't think we'll ever know for sure but if we go down it is more Hurst's fault than anyone else. The worst pre-season recruitment we've ever seen other than Holloway's Covid madness.

It was a shocking recruitment process as you say, but I still think the desire to shift to a more data led recruitment process has brought more problems than its worth. Most of those signings go against common sense, and let's be honest Paul Hurst on his own would not have signed that imbalanced,  slow and unathletic squad.

Obviously he had some input, particularly the players he has previously worked with but if you have owners who have stuck by you who are obsessed with data led decisions it is difficult to say no.

The blend is what matters, and any experienced manager would put together a better squad than this without outside interference from a spread sheet.

Things may have been compounded by a lack of budget, but nobody knows what that was.

Quoted from Maringer

I'm not talking about the current situation. It's the bizarre theory that Stockwood and Pettit only bought the club as a vanity project. It's only 5 minutes since the new ownership was being praised as a breath of fresh air. Now they are somehow conning us?

Utter nonsense, I'm afraid.

Time will tell

Absolute rubbish.

I’ll reiterate.. what is there to gain from being ‘in power’ at a club like Grimsby??

Nothing.

You won’t get a return on your investment, in fact you’ll forever be paying out. And you’ll have thousands telling to what you should be doing.

Quoted from friskneymariner

People are waking up to realise we have been conned on a massive scale. I sincerely believe this was a vanity project by  Stockwood from the outset,it has badly misfired on him .I realise it's not a comfortable feeling to realise that you have been conned ,but there you have it.

I've no idea whether you will be proved right, but I haven't warmed to Stockwood at all. He always sound condescending to me, and always talks in such general terms it's not worth listening to.

We know his philosophy; we don't need it repeating ad infinitum but being a practical sort of chap I am interested how his philosophy actually works in practice. You might be right, perhaps it is a vanity project in the sense that he is trying to prove a football club can be run and be successful in using his values as a template but I suppose any owner wants his methods enacted.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It was a shocking recruitment process as you say, but I still think the desire to shift to a more data led recruitment process has brought more problems than its worth. Most of those signings go against common sense, and let's be honest Paul Hurst on his own would not have signed that imbalanced,  slow and unathletic squad.

Obviously he had some input, particularly the players he has previously worked with but if you have owners who have stuck by you who are obsessed with data led decisions it is difficult to say no.

The blend is what matters, and any experienced manager would put together a better squad than this without outside interference from a spread sheet.

Things may have been compounded by a lack of budget, but nobody knows what that was.

The only player we know for sure that had a large or almost entire input from the Head of Recruitment was Conteh. Who is one of the two good signings we made and who without, we'd have struggled signficantly more this season. And every man and his dog knows that Danny Rose is a good striker for L2.

Vernam and Mullarkey were previous targets of Hurst's before the head of recruitment came in, only one of them is FL standard and he's regularly out injured. Eisa and Eastwood had both worked with Hurst before. Hurst is also one of the most stubborn feckers you'll ever come across and I highly doubt he'd allow a player to be signed that he didn't want. And it's a total nonsense to suggest he wouldn't have put together a squad that was so poor on his own, he'd done exactly that the season before. Left to his own devices he'd done things as daft as paying a transfer fee for Kieran Green and giving him a three year contract. And in the 2016/17 season had signed players like James Berrett, Sean McAllister, Andrew Boyce, Ashley Chambers, Tom Bolarinwa and Rhys Browne who were all utterly dreadful. He replaced Padraig Amond with Scott Vernon! I know you have an irrational hatred of data but the fact is that virtually every time Paul Hurst had a transfer window in the FL with Town, his recruitment was beyond woeful. The odd actually quality player like Danny Andrews, Danny Collins and Jay Matete but in the main mostly shite.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I've no idea whether you will be proved right, but I haven't warmed to Stockwood at all. He always sound condescending to me, and always talks in such general terms it's not worth listening to.

We know his philosophy; we don't need it repeating ad infinitum but being a practical sort of chap I am interested how his philosophy actually works in practice. You might be right, perhaps it is a vanity project in the sense that he is trying to prove a football club can be run and be successful in using his values as a template but I suppose any owner wants his methods enacted.

He’s doubtless a very talented businessman within his field but he’s made his money from businesses that have had few variables. He very quickly, as a result of his interviews, earned the nickname Billy Bulls**t in our house. He talks a very good game but, in truth, he’s out of his comfort zone.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It was a shocking recruitment process as you say, but I still think the desire to shift to a more data led recruitment process has brought more problems than its worth. Most of those signings go against common sense, and let's be honest Paul Hurst on his own would not have signed that imbalanced,  slow and unathletic squad.

Obviously he had some input, particularly the players he has previously worked with but if you have owners who have stuck by you who are obsessed with data led decisions it is difficult to say no.

The blend is what matters, and any experienced manager would put together a better squad than this without outside interference from a spread sheet.

Things may have been compounded by a lack of budget, but nobody knows what that was.

Do you actually know how the data is actually utilised? You consistently seem very dismissive of that approach so clearly you have an informed view?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Do you actually know how the data is actually utilised? You consistently seem very dismissive of that approach so clearly you have an informed view?

All data is flawed. You can  interpret it any way you like, and the parameters for collecting it are either too narrow or too broad. I learned that aged 16 at College and have never forgotten it!

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

All data is flawed. You can  interpret it any way you like, and the parameters for collecting it are either too narrow or too broad. I learned that aged 16 at College and have never forgotten it!

So you don’t actually know about what you’re denying has value.

Not sure what you did at college but all data isn’t flawed, I work with data most days & it’s essential to the sector I work in.

Four years ago data arguably saved a lot lives.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Do you actually know how the data is actually utilised? You consistently seem very dismissive of that approach so clearly you have an informed view?

Perhaps the football league table,just saying.

On a minor recruitment point, I am sure that Hurst said that he wanted Green as his number 1 target?

Yeah it seems the summer recruitment was a shambles, but I don’t remember many on here saying that in July/August last year. The opposite in fact. People had us down as play off contenders due to our signings. Hindsight and all that.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So you don’t actually know about what you’re denying has value.

Not sure what you did at college but I work with data most days & it’s incredibly useful to the sector I work in.

Four years ago data arguably saved a lot lives.

Four years ago data saved some lives  but because it didn’t take the wider picture into consideration (too narrow) it caused innumerable problems for the country the consequences of which will be with us for many years.

My anti data stance is just a personal quirk born out of experience but if other people feel differently that is no problem for me.

Not sure it’s a vanity project for JS. I just think at the time he took over he felt the club was on the brink of disaster. He and AP probably thought with their means and the will to go in a different direction they could turn it around. Initially they were successful but as someone (ska?) described on here: they let PH become the lottery winning bin man and it’s snowballed from there. No idea what they see Artell doing from here (or even from a month or so ago) though.

Quoted from friskneymariner

People are waking up to realise we have been conned on a massive scale. I sincerely believe this was a vanity project by  Stockwood from the outset,it has badly misfired on him .I realise it's not a comfortable feeling to realise that you have been conned ,but there you have it.

I think conned is harsh

They have the clubs best interests at heart , and won't put it into danger which is a minimum requirement really .

The only thing that's dissapointed me is their wilingness or ability to attract heavy inward  investment seeing as they are either unwilling/can't fund the club to anything above the level of sustainability/treading water in league 2 .

The club probably now looks an even less decent proposition to invest in than one that had a miracle run through the NL play-offs and a glorious run to an FA cup quarter final .

Quoted from Mappers

I think conned is harsh

They have the clubs best interests at heart , and won't put it into danger which is a minimum requirement really .

The only thing that's dissapointed me is their wilingness or ability to attract heavy inward  investment seeing as they are either unwilling/can't fund the club to anything above the level of sustainability/treading water in league 2 .

The club probably now looks an even less decent proposition to invest in than one that had a miracle run through the NL play-offs and a glorious run to an FA cup quarter final .

They deserve more respect than some people are giving them. They’re Town supporters who came in when it was looking pretty broken.

Vanity project? More like sympathy case as to be honest in reality the likelihood of them seeing any return on the money they’ve put in is remote. That is where the issue is as unless you’re an equally dedicated Town supporter with a few quid in the bank you wouldn’t look at investing I. Our club.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

They deserve more respect than some people are giving them. They’re Town supporters who came in when it was looking pretty broken.

Vanity project? More like sympathy case as to be honest in reality the likelihood of them seeing any return on the money they’ve put in is remote. That is where the issue is as unless you’re an equally dedicated Town supporter with a few quid in the bank you wouldn’t look at investing I. Our club.

I agree Herts

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Four years ago data saved some lives  but because it didn’t take the wider picture into consideration (too narrow) it caused innumerable problems for the country the consequences of which will be with us for many years.

Nope. The data regarding the need for lockdown was straightforward. Anything else was the failing of government. And let's face it, they failed a lot.

As for data, it is just information. What is relevant is how it is analysed and used. You don't apparently think that proper analysis is possible in some fields, but that's not what the pretty much all of the richest and most successful football clubs in the country believe.

Quoted from Maringer

Nope. The data regarding the need for lockdown was straightforward. Anything else was the failing of government. And let's face it, they failed a lot.

As for data, it is just information. What is relevant is how it is analysed and used. You don't apparently think that proper analysis is possible in some fields, but that's not what the pretty much all of the richest and most successful football clubs in the country believe.

So what about those clubs floundering at the bottom of their respective leagues, are they not analysing the data correctly?

And if now we are using data to sign the right players, decide how we play on the pitch why are we tiptoeing on the National League trap door?

Quoted from mariner91

The only player we know for sure that had a large or almost entire input from the Head of Recruitment was Conteh. Who is one of the two good signings we made and who without, we'd have struggled signficantly more this season. And every man and his dog knows that Danny Rose is a good striker for L2.

Vernam and Mullarkey were previous targets of Hurst's before the head of recruitment came in, only one of them is FL standard and he's regularly out injured. Eisa and Eastwood had both worked with Hurst before. Hurst is also one of the most stubborn feckers you'll ever come across and I highly doubt he'd allow a player to be signed that he didn't want. And it's a total nonsense to suggest he wouldn't have put together a squad that was so poor on his own, he'd done exactly that the season before. Left to his own devices he'd done things as daft as paying a transfer fee for Kieran Green and giving him a three year contract. And in the 2016/17 season had signed players like James Berrett, Sean McAllister, Andrew Boyce, Ashley Chambers, Tom Bolarinwa and Rhys Browne who were all utterly dreadful. He replaced Padraig Amond with Scott Vernon! I know you have an irrational hatred of data but the fact is that virtually every time Paul Hurst had a transfer window in the FL with Town, his recruitment was beyond woeful. The odd actually quality player like Danny Andrews, Danny Collins and Jay Matete but in the main mostly shite.

Yep.
Mullarkey - Hurst
Vernam - Hurst
Eastwood - Hurst
Eisa - Hurst
Pyke - hurst
Ainley - Hurst
Cartwright - croudson
Rose- probably both agreed
Wilson - recruitment person?
Rodgers - probably recruitment person
Conteh - recruitment person

Any I've missed from the summer?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So you don’t actually know about what you’re denying has value.

Not sure what you did at college but all data isn’t flawed, I work with data most days & it’s essential to the sector I work in.

Four years ago data arguably saved a lot lives.

Oh really, getting the scamdemic in at every opportunity

Quoted from Maringer

Nope. The data regarding the need for lockdown was straightforward. Anything else was the failing of government. And let's face it, they failed a lot.

As for data, it is just information. What is relevant is how it is analysed and used. You don't apparently think that proper analysis is possible in some fields, but that's not what the pretty much all of the richest and most successful football clubs in the country believe.

Yep! Interpretation of data is such a large part of the data industry. To interpret often flawed data leads to all sorts of wrong conclusions as we see all the time in all sorts of fields.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

They deserve more respect than some people are giving them. They’re Town supporters who came in when it was looking pretty broken.

Vanity project? More like sympathy case as to be honest in reality the likelihood of them seeing any return on the money they’ve put in is remote. That is where the issue is as unless you’re an equally dedicated Town supporter with a few quid in the bank you wouldn’t look at investing I. Our club.

You seem a good egg Herts a bit too nice.

How can we give them respect when they're overseeing this shambles it's no better than Fenty?
Unlike Fenty they've had great support with average home gates over 6k .Where the intercourse is the on field investment I'm not interested in all the other stuff at the moment ffs sort out the first team.I  don't want or expect anything much but 11 players who can pass and control a football would be a good start .The Manager comes across as an arrogant pr1ck harping on about how great he did at Crewe .News for you Dave your at Grimsby now and you have madd a poor team worse and I'm sat thinking you've blagged this job.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Yep! Interpretation of data is such a large part of the data industry. To interpret often flawed data leads to all sorts of wrong conclusions as we see all the time in all sorts of fields.

For what it's worth, I personally think that there is something in the football data which is useful, but it isn't the be all and end all of the situation. I suppose it depends on how much you trust the value of xG and the like. Of course, xG doesn't factor in that some players can stick the ball in the net from any sort of an angle and from any half-chance, whereas others couldn't hit a cow's bottom with a banjo when in a good scoring position. We've got more of the latter than the former.

Brighton and Brentford have gone big on data and it has worked for them. However, it has also been backed up by very wealthy owners (who apparently hate each other!) spending money to buy good players as well as getting themselves good managers.

A couple of months ago, a book came out about Liverpool's use of data which is claimed to help them compete against the really big PL spenders. Another came out the other week about Brentford and how data has been used as part of their rise to competitors in the PL. Due to the amount of money sloshing about up there, a lot of clever folk will be employed to try and eke out every tiny bit of improvement which can be worth tens of millions. I think there must be enough in the data to make it worthwhile.

Our predicament this season stems from terrible signings by Hurst and the inference is that not many of those were decided by any sort of data (Eastwood, for instance).

Honestly, the state of this thread a it has everything you get from Town fan bingo:

Lost a game - manager hasn’t a clue (from people that two games ago were saying “hands up I got it wrong about Artell”)
Scotch Eggs - seriously wtf is wrong with a scotch egg
One of the owners write in the Guardian - as if that effects anything
People saying season ticket sales will fall dramatically next season, while 2 games ago they were crying out for a bigger ground because we can’t get enough fans in

Oh and the crème turd on the top of the pile - everything being data’s fault because some flipping luddites can’t abide a different approach.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Yep! Interpretation of data is such a large part of the data industry. To interpret often flawed data leads to all sorts of wrong conclusions as we see all the time in all sorts of fields.

Interpretation of data invariably is politicised to suit the agenda of those with vested interests in the data.

When the new owners came in,they were given a significant amount of goodwill,perhaps for being anybody else rather then Fenty. The fans reciprocated by the increase in seasons tickets and purchasing merchandise,what were we given back,glass panels and a flag on the clubs badge.The honeymoon is well and truly over,now is the time to show leadership,which does not entail hiding away and not taking responsibility. What this club needs is someone who is not afraid to speak truth to power.

Quoted from Brummie Codfather

Honestly, the state of this thread a it has everything you get from Town fan bingo:

Lost a game - manager hasn’t a clue (from people that two games ago were saying “hands up I got it wrong about Artell”)
Scotch Eggs - seriously wtf is wrong with a scotch egg
One of the owners write in the Guardian - as if that effects anything
People saying season ticket sales will fall dramatically next season, while 2 games ago they were crying out for a bigger ground because we can’t get enough fans in

Oh and the crème turd on the top of the pile - everything being data’s fault because some flipping luddites can’t abide a different approach.

My view on all :
Artell-seems a good person but  not sure as a manager - wasn't after the good run ,still not - deserves a shot at it if he keeps us up ; if we don't he will probably walk anyway .
Scotch Eggs - don't like them but a nice touch .
Guardian articles - each to their own , you can choose whether you need it or not can't you  .
Season tickets - should fall dramatically , I think they will but mugs like you and me will buy 1 even after a season consisting of a likely single figure win rate which is dire . We need a new ground /better facilities whether we are in nln or league 1 it's not fit for purpose but that's a seperate long term issue that we have done to death on here . Capacity is too low aswell but again another side issue .

Quoted from friskneymariner

When the new owners came in,they were given a significant amount of goodwill,perhaps for being anybody else rather then Fenty. The fans reciprocated by the increase in seasons tickets and purchasing merchandise,what were we given back,glass panels and a flag on the clubs badge.The honeymoon is well and truly over,now is the time to show leadership,which does not entail hiding away and not taking responsibility. What this club needs is someone who is not afraid to speak truth to power.

A lot of truth in this. They’ve promised a lot, got a lot of help from a pragmatist who’s teams were always capable of getting results against the odds, but , in reality, there’s very little to show for it.

Something wasn’t right from the offset this season. Was it that Hurst didn’t get the budget he was promised? Was it that Shrewsbury came calling? We’ll probably never know. But the baby has well and truly been thrown out with the bath water.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

You seem a good egg Herts a bit too nice.

How can we give them respect when they're overseeing this shambles it's no better than Fenty?
Unlike Fenty they've had great support with average home gates over 6k .Where the intercourse is the on field investment I'm not interested in all the other stuff at the moment ffs sort out the first team.I  don't want or expect anything much but 11 players who can pass and control a football would be a good start .The Manager comes across as an arrogant pr1ck harping on about how great he did at Crewe .News for you Dave your at Grimsby now and you have madd a poor team worse and I'm sat thinking you've blagged this job.

Nice? Yeah ok I’ll take that, I do try & see things with balance.

Our league position is horrendous & nobody wants us to be where we are, is that down to the owners? It could be argued yes as they should have binned Hurst earlier & they appointed Artell, but they don’t sign the players, take training, pick the team, give the ball away or miss chances that professional footballers should at least hit the target with.

They deserve respect as they put their money in to take the club off Fenty, some believe they should be putting more in and throwing it at players to come here for a couple of years before they chase another contract with another club, personally I don’t think that’s the way.,

The reason we’re getting good support is partly down to 1878 as they do something Feny would never understand and that’s engage people & made the club a better club to support.

Too many threads & posts have been wasted on the Fenty years, yes Fenty who penny pinched for years, repelled many supporters, stake holders & potential investors and in reality the man who’s approach to running the club we all love took us down to non league twice. Fenty wasn’t exactly throwing his fish merchant fortune at the playing side of things was he? John coughed up for a new portacabin while we all dug deep for operation promotion.

There’s a long list of Fentyism’s from p1ssing money up the wall trying to scope out a mythical stadium that we’d never fill to trying to attract a convicted fraudster to invest.

How many relegations was it under honest John? Do you think if Fenty was still here we’d have come straight up from the NL? We’ll never know but the data from the Fenty form guide indicates not.

To say that this is no better than under Fenty isn’t nice & is a pretty cheap shot. For different reasons Hurst & Artell are accountable for the mess on the field, one got fired and in the last few months the other unfortunately is doing his best to follow him.