Talking of bandwagon jumpers

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

RE: voting the same way -Watch the film-doc Tory Boy to see this in action.  It's an eye opener how many people just accept the local MP is crap at his job, doesn't care about his constituents, doesn't even live in the area (3 weeks in london per month, 1 week in paris, only visits his seat on election night), employs his wife and son at an office that doesn't exist, hasn't even done a surgery in 15 years and yet when it comes to election time they all vote him back in instead of an alternative for a 7th term because that's what they've always done and he wears the right colour tie.

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

Watch it and find out for yourself I guess, it's difficult to encapsulate 90-odd minutes of documentary into a short paragraph on here but the thrust of what I was getting at was that people seem to be happy with failure as long as the correct colour tie is being worn rather than try a different candidate who might be a success, that in the main they'll happily complain about the poor service but still keep said person in the role because 'that's how I vote'.  I guess I'm saying identity/tribalism appears to be more important than facts or experience - no conspiracy theories to see here

Quoted from HerveJosse

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

That's fair enough and I'm glad you are happy with your lot, but it's about everyone for me.

I'm comfortable financially, but there are too many people struggling to get by, and it's them that I think of.

Quoted from HerveJosse

If you read carefully I think you will see that there is only one side of the arguement questioning the other sides intelligence here.

Fair point regarding this thread, but generally speaking opposition voters will always question, Again just taking Austin Mitchell for example, he basically stole a living for decades but people continued to vote him in.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

Another reason would be that people, especially the older generations are simply scared of change, indoctrination or even good old propaganda. With the advances of social media the new generations will be free (hopefully) to form their own opinions, and hopefully get a real change for the better, rather than the same old pigs in the trough as buckstown so rightly commented.

Quoted from ginnywings

Ah! The old chestnut that only Tories know how to handle the economy. They certainly know how to direct it toward them and theirs.

Doing really well with it at the moment I see.

You are fed, housed, heating (expensive on) Try Venezuela, they are the "richest" country (potentially) with the highest oil reserves in the world. But due to Socialism cannot feed themselves, and have to buy in (yes buy) oil to refine how stupid is that? Socialism=Misery
You point out a Socialist state that is doing fine. Go on then start Googling.
Your reply above is the same old stuff. BUT NO ACTUAL PROOF OF SOCIALISM WORKING ANYWHERE.  JUST WHINGES

Quoted from GrimPol

You are fed, housed, heating (expensive on) Try Venezuela, they are the "richest" country (potentially) with the highest oil reserves in the world. But due to Socialism cannot feed themselves, and have to buy in (yes buy) oil to refine how stupid is that? Socialism=Misery
You point out a Socialist state that is doing fine. Go on then start Googling.
Your reply above is the same old stuff. BUT NO ACTUAL PROOF OF SOCIALISM WORKING ANYWHERE.  JUST WHINGES

My post that you quoted does not contain the term socialism.

I want a more centrist socially democratic government, but like many other right wingers, you automatically jump on the red menace bullsh1t that has been drip fed into you all your adult life.

Fooking Venezuela. I have a mate who comes up with the same crap. Was there an article about it in the Daily Mail, or on GB News?

If socialism is such a failure on its own terms, why do countries like USA and GB feel the need to interfere with the internal politics of every single country even contemplating anything slightly to the left of unfettered free-market capitalism?

Quoted from GrimPol

You are fed, housed, heating (expensive on) Try Venezuela, they are the "richest" country (potentially) with the highest oil reserves in the world. But due to Socialism cannot feed themselves, and have to buy in (yes buy) oil to refine how stupid is that? Socialism=Misery
You point out a Socialist state that is doing fine. Go on then start Googling.
Your reply above is the same old stuff. BUT NO ACTUAL PROOF OF SOCIALISM WORKING ANYWHERE.  JUST WHINGES

You sound very cross. You’ve entirely missed the point. We’re describing the reality of how we’re governed in Britain, not ‘socialism’.

If socialism doesn’t work, why are the power mad, obscenely rich and the greedy so scared of it…it’s flipping gross that people are so so scared of something that helps the many…