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Quoted from Hagrid

and Stockwood flipping thanking her!!!!!!!!

makes me pig sick, intercourse of Nici

Can't stand the Tories, never have and never will. But to suggest the custodian of the area's most beloved institution shouldn't be courteous to the town's incumbent MP, is pretty petty stuff. He has to work with what is there. You only have to read a paragraph of his Guardian column to know which side of the political divide he sits on

What a flipping waste of a question for the area. Utterly useless and a total hanger on. Get in the bin.

You're absolutely right that he has to be cordial unfortunately. We can all tell her what we think though.

Some of you lot need to lighten up a bit.

I’m no Tory myself, but if you can tell me what the Labour Party did for the area for the decades they were in, I’m all ears. Get ready for a Life of Brian moment……

Politics is politics, Labour/conservate are all the same the both sold Grimsby out! I travel the country on a daily basis most of it doesn’t resemble the UK at all (in ideals and humility)

House of parliament air time is flipping amazing for GTFC tho (groupwave)

Quoted from DB

Sickening

What is "sickening" about the local MP teasing the PM about the Mighty Mariners beating his team? Good publicity for the club and the town.

If it is because she is not a dyed in the wool Town fan who went to Braintree to see us lose 5-0 then that is just daft.

The PM no less wished us well and hope we continue to cause a shock and whatever your politics that has to be a good thing.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

What is "sickening" about the local MP teasing the PM about the Mighty Mariners beating his team? Good publicity for the club and the town.

If it is because she is not a dyed in the wool Town fan who went to Braintree to see us lose 5-0 then that is just daft.

The PM no less wished us well and hope we continue to cause a shock and whatever your politics that has to be a good thing.

Delusional

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

What is "sickening" about the local MP teasing the PM about the Mighty Mariners beating his team? Good publicity for the club and the town.

If it is because she is not a dyed in the wool Town fan who went to Braintree to see us lose 5-0 then that is just daft.

The PM no less wished us well and hope we continue to cause a shock and whatever your politics that has to be a good thing.

Probably more to do with the fact that a junkie dropping a come down turd in a back alley off Tunnard Street has delivered more for the town that the scarf wearing, Boris noshing girl private…

No doubt this thread will become just political as usual and end up in Non Football.

In two minds...but overall.....it stopped the P.M lying and avoiding any real questions for a minute which p!sses me off even more than this cringe from our hopefully soon to be ex M.P

Oh and post edit...talking of bandwagons....still waiting to see Vickers zip lining down the death slide at the long ago promised Youth Hub that was supposed to be being built at Garth Lane as part of the multi million town deal.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Some of you lot need to lighten up a bit.

I’m no Tory myself, but if you can tell me what the Labour Party did for the area for the decades they were in, I’m all ears. Get ready for a Life of Brian moment……

It would be nice to see the local MP actually representing the Town and using her position as an MP to raise and improve issues.

Since 2019 she's submitted 3 written questions and made 77 spoken contributions in parliament, most of which are nodding in agreement at something someone else has said.

For a bit of comparison the last Labour MP submitted 330 written questions and made 359 spoken contributions in that time.

For a bit of balance Martin Vickers who's politics I completely disagree with has made over 900 spoken contributions and submitted over 100 written questions since 2010.

I'm not sure Nici is really doing a lot for anyone. Happy to be corrected if she's a stunning constituency MP

Is that really the best result you can get for having Boris Johnson hanging out the back of you? At least Petronella Wyatt got a column at The Times & Jennifer Arcuri for a big wad of cash

Quoted from ska face

Is that really the best result you can get for having Boris Johnson hanging out the back of you? At least Petronella Wyatt got a column at The Times & Jennifer Arcuri for a big wad of cash

😂😂

Any publicity we get should be good publicity, Wrexham have really milked it through their American owners and seems to have worked for them, so the PM wishing us luck for the Brighton game can only be good for us even if it wants to make you throw up!!

Don't like the woman that much, she's just a typical politician but all the faux outrage on here is laughable.

Enjoyed that. There's plenty of goodwill towards the town and club due to the FA Cup run so let's enjoy it while we can.

Quoted from Hagrid

and Stockwood flipping thanking her!!!!!!!!

makes me pig sick, intercourse of Nici

I'm not comfortable with how the board seem to be getting into bed with these useless MPs of ours recently. We even gave Lia £450 of corporate tickets for the play off final last year which she didn't even use for herself!

I think that this is the right to mention that I'm Grimsby till I die or until they get knocked out of the cup, whichever comes first

Quoted from Hagrid

and Stockwood flipping thanking her!!!!!!!!

makes me pig sick, intercourse of Nici

Get a life Hagrid - it was a bit of fun

Quoted from golfer

Get a life Hagrid - it was a bit of fun

They dont deserve a second of fun you buffoon. The mess they have put the country in, the disgrace of an MP the idiots in this town elected, she doesnt give 2 felicitations about Grimsby Town, and never will, self serving egotistical piece of excrement, no doubt you voted for her

Quoted from Hagrid

They dont deserve a second of fun you buffoon. The mess they have put the country in, the disgrace of an MP the idiots in this town elected, she doesnt give 2 felicitations about Grimsby Town, and never will, self serving egotistical piece of excrement, no doubt you voted for her

Politics has never been so black and white

What’s with all the vitriol? She took the p1ss out of the PM and managed to get some airtime for town during PMQ

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

What is "sickening" about the local MP teasing the PM about the Mighty Mariners beating his team? Good publicity for the club and the town.

If it is because she is not a dyed in the wool Town fan who went to Braintree to see us lose 5-0 then that is just daft.

The PM no less wished us well and hope we continue to cause a shock and whatever your politics that has to be a good thing.

Which stand does she have a season ticket in? Was she at the game? Was she in the queue for a Brighton ticket or even one of the 4,851 fans who went to the Newport game? I doubt if she will at the Rochdale as well, as the Topic says 'band Wagon Jumper'. It appears to me that she used Town's victory to promote herself to the TV audience of parliament.

Quoted from DB

Which stand does she have a season ticket in? Was she at the game? It appears to me that she used Town's victory to promote herself GTFC to the TV audience of parliament.

Corrected for you DB.

Nici is the archetypal modern day MP. Cares nothing for the constituents or the community they’re elected to serve, but works tirelessly to promote themselves.

Nici is stealing a living, plain and simple. I know a couple of hard tory voters who can’t stand her and have said they’d consider voting for a labour candidate in the next election…these are people who’d vote Tory if a pig wore a blue rosette.

Sadly, I suspect this happens at other clubs, especially the small ones like us who suddenly get a bit of publicity or success. It’s sickening really, political allegiance is irrelevant, I’d not be happy if we had a labour MP doing the same.

You got more sincerity from Pol Pot than you get from the likes of Nici…

I don’t think a politician or in our case, now a PM (a lying shite one at that) ‘promoting them’ is particularly good for any football club…

Quoted from aldi_01

Nici is the archetypal modern day MP. Cares nothing for the constituents or the community they’re elected to serve, but works tirelessly to promote themselves.

Nici is stealing a living, plain and simple. I know a couple of hard tory voters who can’t stand her and have said they’d consider voting for a labour candidate in the next election…these are people who’d vote Tory if a pig wore a blue rosette.

Sadly, I suspect this happens at other clubs, especially the small ones like us who suddenly get a bit of publicity or success. It’s sickening really, political allegiance is irrelevant, I’d not be happy if we had a labour MP doing the same.

You got more sincerity from Pol Pot than you get from the likes of Nici…

I don’t think a politician or in our case, now a PM (a lying shite one at that) ‘promoting them’ is particularly good for any football club…

What a nasty little post. Please everyone lighten up. There isn’t a single MP of whatever party who wouldn’t have done the same. It’s a little bit of fun, particularly as the PM is a Southampton supporter, and it’s given us a bit of positive exposure and publicity. Why the hatred and anger that is on this forum over something so trivial completely baffles me. It was a bit of fun. End of. #UTM.

Nici does absolutely nothing for this area, we all know that and the sight of her brings up a little bit of sick in my mouth.

That clip is equally nauseating, all round. Nici waving a faux flag, Vickers nodding away like the Churchill dog and the fake guffaws from Sunak and his cronies on the front bench.

But, sadly, that's politics and especially PMQ's which is dominated by stupid statements like those and "Will the PM join me in congratulating the local scout group who raised 4p over the weekend with a jumble sale.". It's an opportunity for two-bit MP's to get themselves in their local rag and look like they're doing something.

I don't feel particularly comfortable with the recent Tory delegation to BP and photograph opps with 1878, which serves the politicians better than the club I think.

But I get it. Stockwood and co. are just playing the game. I hope to god we're not lumbered with this shower for too much longer, but you never know. Once you've cut your nose off it rarely grows back.

PMQ's is a media event and a bit of a circus to be honest, yes it raises questions but I'm not sure it drives any real policy change, I despise the Tories and Lia Nici is archetypal of many MP's across all parties in fairness who want a political career rather than doing the job for the betterment of constituents and overall society.

Do I like that she referenced GTFC in that session? No. Do I like that the PM who no doubt we'd have to explain to him a football is round came in on "the joke"? No, in fact I like it even less as he referenced supporting us to win the cup and he hasn't got the golden touch at the moment as he?

You have to take things in context and this is pretty insignificant. There are other media opportunities that we should worry more about like when the PM asked a homeless man what his "plans for the weekend" where prior to Christmas when he was serving him breakfast in a refuge.

Quite simply these people are divorced from reality!!

I can’t stand Nici and I’ve only every voted Labour, but reactions like this are a part of the reason Labour are struggling to get in IMO.

If somebody chooses to vote, or stand as a Tory, then that is their right in a democracy. Throwing your toys out the pram every time they speak because they have different views to you makes you just as bad as they are IMO.

She’s mentioned our name in parliament because we beat the PMs premier league team to make the FA Cup quarter bloody finals, Stockwood mentioned it because his team have been mentioned in parliament for such an historic achievement. It’s really not that deep.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Some of you lot need to lighten up a bit.

I’m no Tory myself, but if you can tell me what the Labour Party did for the area for the decades they were in, I’m all ears. Get ready for a Life of Brian moment……

Then your ears will be in for a long wait 🙃

Quoted from pontoonlew

I can’t stand Nici and I’ve only every voted Labour, but reactions like this are a part of the reason Labour are struggling to get in IMO.

If somebody chooses to vote, or stand as a Tory, then that is their right in a democracy. Throwing your toys out the pram every time they speak because they have different views to you makes you just as bad as they are IMO.

She’s mentioned our name in parliament because we beat the PMs premier league team to make the FA Cup quarter bloody finals, Stockwood mentioned it because his team have been mentioned in parliament for such an historic achievement. It’s really not that deep.

In what sense are Labour “struggling to get in”?
We haven’t had a GE for 4 years, in recent local elections they’ve trounced these depraved Tories and they’re streets ahead in the polls. They will have a huge majority at the next general election.

FWIW….I saw Nici in PMQ’s. Happy to get a mention/exposure, even though it’s from an incompetent sycophant supposedly representing the Town. PMQ’s generally are a sickening indicator of how dreadful our current parliamentary system is, but hey….UTM.

The problem with PMQs is the lack of PMAs. It's an utterly worthless circus which the media laps up rather than actually doing some proper journalism. I don't really care which party leader's pre-prepared scripted line went down best in the chamber. I'm more interested in what they do (or generally don't do).

PMQs is about as worthwhile as Question Time.

Nici represents everything bad about modern day politics. She's in it for herself and doesn't give a monkeys about her constituency - everyone knows it.

Vickers obviously has more interest in looking after the constituents of his home town, but, on a national level, is too spineless to have an opinion of his own and will vote for any ghastly policy he's told to by his bosses. At least, I assume this is the case. I can't imagine an otherwise reasonable person for so many obviously appalling bills off their own bat.

Certainly not a Tory (Labour member) and absolutely detest their politics and all they stand for.

However for some to be outraged at a simple retweet and comment or the recent engagement from Jason and the club (regulator launch) is utterly bizarre. Anyone running our football club needs to proactively engage and work professionally with all local leaders; MP's, councillors, head teachers, Police etc etc. To not do so would just be bat sh*t crazy to be honest with you.

We will need community support for a whole rage of things; safeguarding, policing, fan safety, new ground, new training ground, planning permissions, public investment the list goes on.

She's crap, her party is crap, but we got a mention on TV in Parliament for a good reason, which is a good thing despite peoples thoughts on her, her abilities and the Conservatives more generally. She was elected to the position. Some of us need to be a little less partisan on absolutely everything, all the time.

(Don't know if I forgot to mention, she really is crap btw!!)

Stockwood is obviously left-wing, but knows how to play the game. Say nice things about those with power/influence and the potential to help out your business(es), and you'll generally not go too far wrong.

Jason Stockwood said on Twitter he would take a break from social media after getting "pelters" for daring to say thank you to the elected member of Parliament for Great Grimsby for highlighting the clubs success at PMQ's.

We all know Stockwood is not a Tory but he seems blessed with common courtesy, which seems beyond some of the Twitter mob, and sadly some on here.

All politicians of all parties, good ones, bad ones and indifferent ones will comment or get a photo opportunity when their local team hits the headlines. It would be ridiculous if they didn't.

I have photos of George Best and Nici over my bed and have photos of Hagrid and Angela Rayner in the Bathroom ;D

I gave up on politics about 5 years ago and feel calmer for it. They're all the same, pigs in the trough with little interest in their local communities.
My tory MP represented a constituency that voted massively remain, then spent three years running round Westminster leading the brexit lot. Nici is anonymous and everyone knows she'll be unemployed shortly after 22:00 on the day of the next election. She only got in because nobody wanted Jeremy Corbyn for goodness sake.
Have a day off boys and girls, celebrate the fact that we're in the FA Cup quarter final and finally our team is in the national spotlight. Every TV company in the land will be circling Blundell Park next week looking to fill 5 minutes, having not been near for 20 years. What should we do, chuck 'em out because they're hypocrites?
Jason may be looking for support for GTFC in other ways at some point. If you really think he should tell the local MP to clear off you're really naive. I believe its called "influencing skills", although some of us may know it by another term.
Stop watching the news, stop watching PMQ's and relax!!

Quoted from buckstown

I gave up on politics about 5 years ago and feel calmer for it. They're all the same, pigs in the trough with little interest in their local communities.
My tory MP represented a constituency that voted massively remain, then spent three years running round Westminster leading the brexit lot. Nici is anonymous and everyone knows she'll be unemployed shortly after 22:00 on the day of the next election. She only got in because nobody wanted Jeremy Corbyn for goodness sake.
Have a day off boys and girls, celebrate the fact that we're in the FA Cup quarter final and finally our team is in the national spotlight. Every TV company in the land will be circling Blundell Park next week looking to fill 5 minutes, having not been near for 20 years. What should we do, chuck 'em out because they're hypocrites?
Jason may be looking for support for GTFC in other ways at some point. If you really think he should tell the local MP to clear off you're really naive. I believe its called "influencing skills", although some of us may know it by another term.
Stop watching the news, stop watching PMQ's and relax!!

How right, have a day off indeed. I rarely watch TV News channels. Can't stand the rudeness and self promotion of so called 'journalists' with obvious agendas and career plans. TV generally is a cess pit in a race to the bottom as it competes with baleful social media and addiction to binary formats.

Supporting your local team and associated forums should be a safe haven from worldly concerns and politics.

Quoted from Hagrid

They dont deserve a second of fun you buffoon. The mess they have put the country in, the disgrace of an MP the idiots in this town elected, she doesnt give 2 felicitations about Grimsby Town, and never will, self serving egotistical piece of excrement, no doubt you voted for her

100%

Quoted from Hagrid

They dont deserve a second of fun you buffoon. The mess they have put the country in, the disgrace of an MP the idiots in this town elected, she doesnt give 2 felicitations about Grimsby Town, and never will, self serving egotistical piece of excrement, no doubt you voted for her

Two points: -
1/ Why drag politics into football , especially nationwide politics?
2/ Why call somebody a ' buffoon' , just because they have a different political view to yours?
Just as a point of interest, you couldn't have got a more self serving , egotistical politician as the last Labour leader who was voted in to run the country. Made his name in politics, jumped ship and has since acquired a very large property portfolio and thinks he has the answers to all the world's problems.

Quoted from rancido

Two points: -
1/ Why drag politics into football , especially nationwide politics?
2/ Why call somebody a ' buffoon' , just because they have a different political view to yours?
Just as a point of interest, you couldn't have got a more self serving , egotistical politician as the last Labour leader who was voted in to run the country. Made his name in politics, jumped ship and has since acquired a very large property portfolio and thinks he has the answers to all the world's problems.

This whole thread is about Politics into football, i didnt start it....

ah yes the last labour leader, 13 years ago, but of course, still all there fault

Quoted from golfer

I have photos of George Best and Nici over my bed and have photos of Hagrid and Angela Rayner in the Bathroom ;D

And one of last Tuesday's referee at the bottom of your toilet I hope ?

Quoted from pontoonlew

I can’t stand Nici and I’ve only every voted Labour, but reactions like this are a part of the reason Labour are struggling to get in IMO.

If somebody chooses to vote, or stand as a Tory, then that is their right in a democracy. Throwing your toys out the pram every time they speak because they have different views to you makes you just as bad as they are IMO.

This is not the first time you’ve said this and I’m starting to become concerned that you actually believe it. As if the last two election results have come about from people not being asked politely enough, rather than a concerted effort by the powers of capital to put down the prospect of greater wealth distribution.

I long for the good old days when Austin Mitchell was a season ticket holder in the Ponny, and every half time we'd gather round as he read aloud from Marx and Engels while we all cheered.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

I long for the good old days when Austin Mitchell was a season ticket holder in the Ponny, and every half time we'd gather round as he read aloud from Marx and Engels while we all cheered.

"fancy scotch eggs are the opiate of the masses" he used to preach to me

Quoted from pontoonlew

I can’t stand Nici and I’ve only every voted Labour, but reactions like this are a part of the reason Labour are struggling to get in IMO.

If somebody chooses to vote, or stand as a Tory, then that is their right in a democracy. Throwing your toys out the pram every time they speak because they have different views to you makes you just as bad as they are IMO.

She’s mentioned our name in parliament because we beat the PMs premier league team to make the FA Cup quarter bloody finals, Stockwood mentioned it because his team have been mentioned in parliament for such an historic achievement. It’s really not that deep.

Excellent post. Well said. 👏👏👏

Quoted from buckstown

I gave up on politics about 5 years ago and feel calmer for it. They're all the same, pigs in the trough with little interest in their local communities.
My tory MP represented a constituency that voted massively remain, then spent three years running round Westminster leading the brexit lot. Nici is anonymous and everyone knows she'll be unemployed shortly after 22:00 on the day of the next election. She only got in because nobody wanted Jeremy Corbyn for goodness sake.
Have a day off boys and girls, celebrate the fact that we're in the FA Cup quarter final and finally our team is in the national spotlight. Every TV company in the land will be circling Blundell Park next week looking to fill 5 minutes, having not been near for 20 years. What should we do, chuck 'em out because they're hypocrites?
Jason may be looking for support for GTFC in other ways at some point. If you really think he should tell the local MP to clear off you're really naive. I believe its called "influencing skills", although some of us may know it by another term.
Stop watching the news, stop watching PMQ's and relax!!

Bit in bold is 100% right, what do the Mafia say? "Keep your friends close and enemies even closer" well there you go!

is she actually Fenty? i've never seen the two Tories together did he re emerge as Nici Fenty?

The thing that concerns me most, is the sort of stuff that gets airtime at PMQ's, while people are sat in their homes in overcoats, wondering if they should have 30p beans or tomatoes for tea. If she wants to rib Sunak about his pretend support of Southampton, do it in the subsidised bar in the House of Commons.

All this backslapping jocularity sickens me when there are really important concerns that need addressing.

And that should be the concern of every voter , whichever way you lean.

Quoted from Caveman

And one of last Tuesday's referee at the bottom of your toilet I hope ?

He's on the toilet paper.

Concerning that at the next game you might be sat near to somebody that voted for her. Worst still you might have been sat next to them all season.
Terrible. Perhaps BP could be segregated

Quoted from pontoonlew

I can’t stand Nici and I’ve only every voted Labour, but reactions like this are a part of the reason Labour are struggling to get in IMO.

If somebody chooses to vote, or stand as a Tory, then that is their right in a democracy. Throwing your toys out the pram every time they speak because they have different views to you makes you just as bad as they are IMO.

She’s mentioned our name in parliament because we beat the PMs premier league team to make the FA Cup quarter bloody finals, Stockwood mentioned it because his team have been mentioned in parliament for such an historic achievement. It’s really not that deep.

Yeah the old angry activist types get a bit boring after a while , let’s be honest if you want to talk about last useless MPs then we had Austin Mitchill for nearly 40 years tossing it off around the House of Commons.
He was taking photos of birds during the period of this Towns total economic collapse yet he was first to turn up for the freebie Wembley trips despite being a Yorkie and never having supported the club .

MPs love a photo op and in a few years time when we might need their help for a new ground or a Blundell Park renovation our clubs owners will be able to remind the MPs and the Prime Minister about the times they draped themselves in a Town scarf

Quoted from ginnywings

The thing that concerns me most, is the sort of stuff that gets airtime at PMQ's, while people are sat in their homes in overcoats, wondering if they should have 30p beans or tomatoes for tea. If she wants to rib Sunak about his pretend support of Southampton, do it in the subsidised bar in the House of Commons.

All this backslapping jocularity sickens me when there are really important concerns that need addressing.

And that should be the concern of every voter , whichever way you lean.

Why is it pretend support he is from Southampton . Why wouldn’t he support his home Town team?

Quoted from HerveJosse

Why is it pretend support he is from Southampton . Why wouldn’t he support his home Town team?

Probably because he’s so shallow and vacuous, most of us don’t believe him when he says stuff like that.

Similar to when he boasts he’s a Northern MP and the only reason he spends time up there is to take his daughter shooting.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Probably because he’s so shallow and vacuous, most of us don’t believe him when he says stuff like that.

Similar to when he boasts he’s a Northern MP and the only reason he spends time up there is to take his daughter shooting.

I didn’t know there was a ban on shallow and vacuous people being football supporters.

I'd imagine that Sunak is as big a footy supporter as one of his erstwhile predecessors, Cameron, who was an avid West Ham fan. Erm, in mean Aston Villa. Sunak probably thinks Southampton's nickname is The Bees...

Anyone know what Lineker thinks?

Not going to be able to sleep until I've heard from him.

UTM

I agree with Ginny, totally.

Quoted from HerveJosse

I didn’t know there was a ban on shallow and vacuous people being football supporters.

Well, no. Otherwise Chelsea FC would cease to exist.

Quoted from ginnywings

The thing that concerns me most, is the sort of stuff that gets airtime at PMQ's, while people are sat in their homes in overcoats, wondering if they should have 30p beans or tomatoes for tea. If she wants to rib Sunak about his pretend support of Southampton, do it in the subsidised bar in the House of Commons.

All this backslapping jocularity sickens me when there are really important concerns that need addressing.

And that should be the concern of every voter , whichever way you lean.

Exactly this. Her constituency has many, many challenges and, given that she was given a question, she should have used it in a constructive manner.

I hate some of the cocky fornicators that have got tickets for Brighton and went to Southampton and have only started watching town full time this season. Dancing round the pontoon like children every game . They have long supported premier league teams and never given a toss about Town till last season. Some poor sod who has been a season ticket holder for 30 years will of missed out though . That boils my urine . By the way Im not or had no intention of going to the game . I'll watch on TV

If preachy Nici had to ask a question in the Commons and jump on the bandwagon…

I’d have more respect if she asked the Defence Secretary about our problems at corners…

Nici: ‘So Mr Speakers. I ask my friend, the Rights Honourables Members of Lancasters and Wyres…why…why…wyre…arf…chance would be a fine thing…WHY…are Grimsby Uniteds doing a man-two-man and zonal hybrid at floated corners…Mr Speakers…Mr Speakers…he knows, he knows…why…why…why…are Grimsby Albions leaving a man completely unmarked at the far post. Not for a bicycle kick. Not for a towering header. No Mr Speaker. A tap in. At the far post. Knee high. Unmarked. Grimsby Rovers. That. Is. A. Disgrace. STOP.THE.CORNERS’.

Quoted from It Bites

I hate some of the cocky fornicators that have got tickets for Brighton and went to Southampton and have only started watching town full time this season. Dancing round the pontoon like children every game . They have long supported premier league teams and never given a toss about Town till last season. Some poor sod who has been a season ticket holder for 30 years will of missed out though . That boils my urine . By the way Im not or had no intention of going to the game . I'll watch on TV

Are you just assuming that or have you done some research?

Quoted from HerveJosse

Why is it pretend support he is from Southampton . Why wouldn’t he support his home Town team?

Sunak was born in Southampton and his idol was/is Matt Le Tissier.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Probably because he’s so shallow and vacuous, most of us don’t believe him when he says stuff like that.

Similar to when he boasts he’s a Northern MP and the only reason he spends time up there is to take his daughter shooting.

Your Bile is burning and staining my screen. Give it a break.

Quoted from ska face

This is not the first time you’ve said this and I’m starting to become concerned that you actually believe it. As if the last two election results have come about from people not being asked politely enough, rather than a concerted effort by the powers of capital to put down the prospect of greater wealth distribution.

Labour only know how to cut the cake, but not how to finance it and make..
They think there is a Money Tree and a Goose Laying Golden eggs.
Truth is if there was such a Tree or fabled Goose, Labour would kill and cook said goose, using the Money Tree as firewood.

I imagine that sounded a lot smarter in your head.

Quoted from Hagrid

This whole thread is about Politics into football, i didnt start it....

ah yes the last labour leader, 13 years ago, but of course, still all there fault

It's been the Socialist fault for over a hundred years. You ever wondered why well-educated East Europeans came over to the UK to pick spuds. Its because they had to endure since WW2 the very Socialist system you seem to promote. All of Eastern Europe dumped Socialism as soon as they could. I wonder if they knew something you can't comprehend?

Quoted from ska face

I imagine that sounded a lot smarter in your head.

But you can't answer it.

Quoted from ska face

I imagine that sounded a lot smarter in your head.

I personally think it sums up the post war Labour Party when it is in opposition.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Exactly this. Her constituency has many, many challenges and, given that she was given a question, she should have used it in a constructive manner.

Well toe curling as it was if she had asked a question about the minutiae of life in Grimsby you and the rest of the country wouldn’t know she had asked it .Alternatively this question has the Town appearing across all media keeping the three weeks of everyone in the country hearing about this place called Grimsby going . Many of those will be hearing the name for the first time because there hasn’t been much reason to hear about it in the last 30 years. Politics is irrelevant here.

Quoted from GrimPol

Labour only know how to cut the cake, but not how to finance it and make..
They think there is a Money Tree and a Goose Laying Golden eggs.
Truth is if there was such a Tree or fabled Goose, Labour would kill and cook said goose, using the Money Tree as firewood.

Go and have a lie down. You’re babbling gibberish.

Quoted from GrimPol

But you can't answer it.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change.pdf

Christ knows what Savile’s mate Starmer’s proposing mind. He seems to think we’re living in 1997 still.

Quoted from GrimPol

But you can't answer it.

I admit I can’t- I dont even understand it….

Quoted from GrimPol

Labour only know how to cut the cake, but not how to finance it and make..
They think there is a Money Tree and a Goose Laying Golden eggs.
Truth is if there was such a Tree or fabled Goose, Labour would kill and cook said goose, using the Money Tree as firewood.

I don't suppose you knew that national debt was falling under the last Labour government and that the 2008 global crash wasn't caused by having decent public libraries and Surestart centres? Depressing that anyone who thinks like you has any connection to Grimsby

Quoted from immariner

I don't suppose you knew that national debt was falling under the last Labour government and that the 2008 global crash wasn't caused by having decent public libraries and Surestart centres? Depressing that anyone who thinks like you has any connection to Grimsby

Guess that’s why Labour got 32% of the vote in last general election in Grimsby

Quoted from chaos33

Go and have a lie down. You’re babbling gibberish.

So I have a go at levity, your riposte is what exactly.?

Do you practice Ya boos, or does it come naturally to compensate for not having anything really to say?

Quoted from ska face

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change.pdf

Christ knows what Savile’s mate Starmer’s proposing mind. He seems to think we’re living in 1997 still.

What are you saying? Honestly, the sentence makes no sense.

Can't this be moved to non football?

Quoted from HerveJosse

Guess that’s why Labour got 32% of the vote in last general election in Grimsby

I don't see the connection. A lot of politically illiterate people were hoodwinked into thinking that Brexit was in their best interests. In blind surveys, Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's. But it wasn't an election about domestic policies, It was a Brexit general election, plain and simple. Anyone with any political nous knows that. So you either don't have any (political nous) or are being deliberately obtuse

Quoted from immariner

I don't see the connection. A lot of politically illiterate people were hoodwinked into thinking that Brexit was in their best interests. In blind surveys, Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's. But it wasn't an election about domestic policies, It was a Brexit general election, plain and simple. Anyone with any political nous knows that. So you either don't have any (political nous) or are being deliberately obtuse

"Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's." Your having a laugh. Where any of Leftie's thinking ever worked? Eastern Europe? N. Korea? China? Ah well China is doing better when they adopted Capitalism, whilst they were Totalitarian and Socialist 50 million died of hunger. Now that they are Totalitarian and Capitalist they can feed themselves.
Or shall we try your Lefty Socialist policies in Venezuela? Oh they a 1000% inflation and the population has lost 20% of their body weight due to malnutrition following the same policies Labour are proposing.
So where has your super duper policy worked?

Quoted from immariner

I don't see the connection. A lot of politically illiterate people were hoodwinked into thinking that Brexit was in their best interests. In blind surveys, Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's. But it wasn't an election about domestic policies, It was a Brexit general election, plain and simple. Anyone with any political nous knows that. So you either don't have any (political nous) or are being deliberately obtuse

So you regard 68% of the population of Grimsby as thick? By the way Brexit was in 2016 and the General Election was in 2019

Ah! The old chestnut that only Tories know how to handle the economy. They certainly know how to direct it toward them and theirs.

Doing really well with it at the moment I see.

Quoted from GrimPol

Labour only know how to cut the cake, but not how to finance it and make..
They think there is a Money Tree and a Goose Laying Golden eggs.
Truth is if there was such a Tree or fabled Goose, Labour would kill and cook said goose, using the Money Tree as firewood.

I'm not sure the tories have any credibility with money since they drunk all over our pension pots and doubled our mortgages. Your argument is pure nonsense.

Quoted from HerveJosse

So you regard 68% of the population of Grimsby as thick? By the way Brexit was in 2016 and the General Election was in 2019

It’s probably higher than 68%. That’s just the percentage of those who voted. ;)

Quoted from HerveJosse

So you regard 68% of the population of Grimsby as thick? By the way Brexit was in 2016 and the General Election was in 2019

He said "politically illiterate".

You said "thick".

No magic money tree…but managed to find £37bn for a track and trace system that never did work…hundreds of millions for dodgy PPE contracts for chums…just saying…

And being politically illiterate does not indicate that one may be thick…

Either way, Nici has been much more effective gobbling Johnson’s Johnson juice than she has at being an MP…

Quoted from ginnywings

He said "politically illiterate".

You said "thick".

Your right I should have said you just think you know better then the 68% who disagreed because you are intellectually superior in your political views..Is that semantically correct enough for you?

Quoted from HerveJosse

Your right I should have said you just think you know better then the 68% who disagreed because you are intellectually superior in your political views..Is that semantically correct enough for you?

You're, if we are talking semantics.

When you say "you just think you know better", are you aiming that at me, the original poster, or just Labour voters in general?

If it's me, then I don't think I know better than those I disagree with. I think I am right and they are wrong obviously, otherwise I would have the same views as they do. Just as they think they are right and I am wrong.

I always find it odd that when you challenge the views of others, they generally get shirty.

And for the record, research suggests that Socialists are generally more intelligent than right wingers. Don't shoot the messenger. ;)

Quoted from ginnywings

You're, if we are talking semantics.

When you say "you just think you know better", are you aiming that at me, the original poster, or just Labour voters in general?

If it's me, then I don't think I know better than those I disagree with. I think I am right and they are wrong obviously, otherwise I would have the same views as they do. Just as they think they are right and I am wrong.

I always find it odd that when you challenge the views of others, they generally get shirty.

And for the record, research suggests that Socialists are generally more intelligent than right wingers. Don't shoot the messenger. ;)

You don’t have to be a right winger not be a socialist . The Labour Party has only presented one socialist agenda in a general election since 1993 and got wiped out when it did.

Quoted from HerveJosse

You don’t have to be a right winger not be a socialist . The Labour Party has only presented one socialist agenda in a general election since 1993 and got wiped out when it did.

Then it's back to political illiteracy and a good proportion of the voters not understanding what socialism is, and having a jaundiced view of it because the establishment tells them it is to be feared.

The country is in a right old state and yet people fear the alternative. Baffles me.

Quoted from GrimPol

"Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's." Your having a laugh. Where any of Leftie's thinking ever worked? Eastern Europe? N. Korea? China? Ah well China is doing better when they adopted Capitalism, whilst they were Totalitarian and Socialist 50 million died of hunger. Now that they are Totalitarian and Capitalist they can feed themselves.
Or shall we try your Lefty Socialist policies in Venezuela? Oh they a 1000% inflation and the population has lost 20% of their body weight due to malnutrition following the same policies Labour are proposing.
So where has your super duper policy worked?

You've just analogised New Labour and North Korea hahaha intercourse me! I don't seek a battle of wits with unarmed people so I'll mercifully tap out here

Quoted from HerveJosse

So you regard 68% of the population of Grimsby as thick? By the way Brexit was in 2016 and the General Election was in 2019

I tried to be delicate. Put it this way, as much as the place means to me, I wouldn't be particularly confident of Grimsby appearing high in a league table of average intelligence. That goes for all the other places that were persuaded to vote overwhelmingly for Brexit too. Brexit was principally a protest vote against the squeexing of living standards brought about by the economically ruinous Tory austerity politics. Poor feckers protested at the wrong polling booth, keeping the Tories in power for another 7 years

Quoted from immariner

I don't see the connection. A lot of politically illiterate people were hoodwinked into thinking that Brexit was in their best interests. In blind surveys, Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's. But it wasn't an election about domestic policies, It was a Brexit general election, plain and simple. Anyone with any political nous knows that. So you either don't have any (political nous) or are being deliberately obtuse

This.

Remember when this was a football forum, they are two cheeks of the same backside. If voting did matter, do you think they would let you do it? UTM

Quoted from HerveJosse

You don’t have to be a right winger not be a socialist . The Labour Party has only presented one socialist agenda in a general election since 1993 and got wiped out when it did.

And yet, during covid, if we ignore the billions syphoned off into the pockets of Tory cronies, the vast majority of systems in place to support you and I were pretty socialist, and even mirrored some of the Corbyn’s manifesto.

Always hilarious though when people make assumptions about the labour party, or any other party for that matter not being able to run a country when, in the last 100 or so years, they’ve ruled for no more than about 34% of the time. All it proves is masses of the voting public are politically unaware, politically illiterate and many believe anything tory spin doctors publish…

I guess another discussion here is, all those that bang on about keeping politics out of football (impossible but they still bang on), most will likely be non labour voters, how do they feel about this? How do they feel about a government white paper appearing to imply some controls over the game, which could potentially improve the governance of the sport? How do they feel about all this?

It’s alarming that people can’t see that yet again, Nici is a only there because Johnson’s Johnson needs a rest and it’s a photo opportunity and Sunak knows it’ll create a small bit of distraction from the fact his government are pushing though illegal policies…

I’ve said time and time again, there’s are merely photo opportunities and nothing more. They care nothing about th game or the club. I’d be annoyed if it was a labour MP, Green, Lib Dem or whatever…

Quoted from immariner

I don't see the connection. A lot of politically illiterate people were hoodwinked into thinking that Brexit was in their best interests. In blind surveys, Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's. But it wasn't an election about domestic policies, It was a Brexit general election, plain and simple. Anyone with any political nous knows that. So you either don't have any (political nous) or are being deliberately obtuse

Plainly put, the Tories have lost the economic argument for Brexit and their policies are now based on appeasing the electorate who think we can manage without migrant labour. Problem is most of them have either retired from work or have never worked.

Quoted from immariner

I tried to be delicate. Put it this way, as much as the place means to me, I wouldn't be particularly confident of Grimsby appearing high in a league table of average intelligence. That goes for all the other places that were persuaded to vote overwhelmingly for Brexit too. Brexit was principally a protest vote against the squeexing of living standards brought about by the economically ruinous Tory austerity politics. Poor feckers protested at the wrong polling booth, keeping the Tories in power for another 7 years

So you are now saying people in Grimsby are of below average intelligence. I thought that was National Socialism.

Quoted from HerveJosse

You don’t have to be a right winger not be a socialist . The Labour Party has only presented one socialist agenda in a general election since 1993 and got wiped out when it did.

This is a prime example of the problems we currently face. Corbyn's 2019 manifesto wasn't anything like a socialist agenda! It was simply moderate social democracy as you would find in the majority of our European neighbours. As I pointed out many a time back in 2019, most of the policies on offer wouldn't have been out of place in a Conservative Party manifesto from the early 70s, yet it was painted as socialism! It's an absolute nonsense.

The Overton window has been dragged so far to the right over the past 40 years that people have really become confused about what is extreme and what isn't. Decades of propaganda/outright bullshit from the right-wing dominated media (parroted by the BBC) and the way in which people move seamlessly in and out of government from the Tufton Street 'think tanks' (who don't reveal who funds them) means that we're now left with a government way to the right of anything that Thatcher imagined. And she was terrible enough. They are also way to the right of the majority of voters' political leanings which is why the Tories have degenerated into a Party with no ideas other than stoking a culture war and attempting to create a fake 'Us versus Them' narrative in a grubby attempt to hold onto power.

Unfortunately, the media and think tanks have done too good a job of shaping a false narrative, so we've ended up with a thoroughly unimpressive clique in charge of the Labour Party whose policies would still leave us well to the right of where Thatcher began. The only hope is that Starmer is lying about what he plans to do when he gets into power (as the Tories have done since time immemorial). All we need is moderate social democracy. And politicians with enough courage to stand up to the media barons and implement it.

How ironic that we have 2 sides of the political spectrum questioning each other’s intelligence, yet in the main they will still choose to vote for the same party’s of failure…. Insanity!

Quoted from Humbercod

How ironic that we have 2 sides of the political spectrum questioning each other’s intelligence, yet in the main they will still choose to vote for the same party’s of failure…. Insanity!

If you read carefully I think you will see that there is only one side of the arguement questioning the other sides intelligence here.

Quoted from Humbercod

How ironic that we have 2 sides of the political spectrum questioning each other’s intelligence, yet in the main they will still choose to vote for the same party’s of failure…. Insanity!

RE: voting the same way -Watch the film-doc Tory Boy to see this in action. It's an eye opener how many people just accept the local MP is crap at his job, doesn't care about his constituents, doesn't even live in the area (3 weeks in london per month, 1 week in paris, only visits his seat on election night), employs his wife and son at an office that doesn't exist, hasn't even done a surgery in 15 years and yet when it comes to election time they all vote him back in instead of an alternative for a 7th term because that's what they've always done and he wears the right colour tie.

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

RE: voting the same way -Watch the film-doc Tory Boy to see this in action. It's an eye opener how many people just accept the local MP is crap at his job, doesn't care about his constituents, doesn't even live in the area (3 weeks in london per month, 1 week in paris, only visits his seat on election night), employs his wife and son at an office that doesn't exist, hasn't even done a surgery in 15 years and yet when it comes to election time they all vote him back in instead of an alternative for a 7th term because that's what they've always done and he wears the right colour tie.

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

Watch it and find out for yourself I guess, it's difficult to encapsulate 90-odd minutes of documentary into a short paragraph on here but the thrust of what I was getting at was that people seem to be happy with failure as long as the correct colour tie is being worn rather than try a different candidate who might be a success, that in the main they'll happily complain about the poor service but still keep said person in the role because 'that's how I vote'. I guess I'm saying identity/tribalism appears to be more important than facts or experience - no conspiracy theories to see here

Quoted from HerveJosse

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

That's fair enough and I'm glad you are happy with your lot, but it's about everyone for me.

I'm comfortable financially, but there are too many people struggling to get by, and it's them that I think of.

Quoted from HerveJosse

If you read carefully I think you will see that there is only one side of the arguement questioning the other sides intelligence here.

Fair point regarding this thread, but generally speaking opposition voters will always question, Again just taking Austin Mitchell for example, he basically stole a living for decades but people continued to vote him in.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Rather then a lack of intelligence or some dark conspiracy theory isn’t a simpler explaination that if people don’t vote for change it’s because they are happy with what they have got which appears to deeply annoy those who wish to think on their behalf that they know better.

Another reason would be that people, especially the older generations are simply scared of change, indoctrination or even good old propaganda. With the advances of social media the new generations will be free (hopefully) to form their own opinions, and hopefully get a real change for the better, rather than the same old pigs in the trough as buckstown so rightly commented.

Quoted from ginnywings

Ah! The old chestnut that only Tories know how to handle the economy. They certainly know how to direct it toward them and theirs.

Doing really well with it at the moment I see.

You are fed, housed, heating (expensive on) Try Venezuela, they are the "richest" country (potentially) with the highest oil reserves in the world. But due to Socialism cannot feed themselves, and have to buy in (yes buy) oil to refine how stupid is that? Socialism=Misery
You point out a Socialist state that is doing fine. Go on then start Googling.
Your reply above is the same old stuff. BUT NO ACTUAL PROOF OF SOCIALISM WORKING ANYWHERE. JUST WHINGES

Quoted from GrimPol

You are fed, housed, heating (expensive on) Try Venezuela, they are the "richest" country (potentially) with the highest oil reserves in the world. But due to Socialism cannot feed themselves, and have to buy in (yes buy) oil to refine how stupid is that? Socialism=Misery
You point out a Socialist state that is doing fine. Go on then start Googling.
Your reply above is the same old stuff. BUT NO ACTUAL PROOF OF SOCIALISM WORKING ANYWHERE. JUST WHINGES

My post that you quoted does not contain the term socialism.

I want a more centrist socially democratic government, but like many other right wingers, you automatically jump on the red menace bullsh1t that has been drip fed into you all your adult life.

Fooking Venezuela. I have a mate who comes up with the same crap. Was there an article about it in the Daily Mail, or on GB News?

If socialism is such a failure on its own terms, why do countries like USA and GB feel the need to interfere with the internal politics of every single country even contemplating anything slightly to the left of unfettered free-market capitalism?

Quoted from GrimPol

You are fed, housed, heating (expensive on) Try Venezuela, they are the "richest" country (potentially) with the highest oil reserves in the world. But due to Socialism cannot feed themselves, and have to buy in (yes buy) oil to refine how stupid is that? Socialism=Misery
You point out a Socialist state that is doing fine. Go on then start Googling.
Your reply above is the same old stuff. BUT NO ACTUAL PROOF OF SOCIALISM WORKING ANYWHERE. JUST WHINGES

You sound very cross. You’ve entirely missed the point. We’re describing the reality of how we’re governed in Britain, not ‘socialism’.