Talking of bandwagon jumpers

Quoted from HerveJosse

So you regard 68% of the population of Grimsby as thick? By the way Brexit was in 2016 and the General Election was in 2019

I tried to be delicate. Put it this way, as much as the place means to me, I wouldn't be particularly confident of Grimsby appearing high in a league table of average intelligence. That goes for all the other places that were persuaded to vote overwhelmingly for Brexit too. Brexit was principally a protest vote against the squeexing of living standards brought about by the economically ruinous Tory austerity politics. Poor feckers protested at the wrong polling booth, keeping the Tories in power for another 7 years

Quoted from immariner

I don't see the connection. A lot of politically illiterate people were hoodwinked into thinking that Brexit was in their best interests. In blind surveys, Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's. But it wasn't an election about domestic policies, It was a Brexit general election, plain and simple. Anyone with any political nous knows that. So you either don't have any (political nous) or are being deliberately obtuse

This.

Remember when this was a football forum, they are two cheeks of the same backside. If voting did matter, do you think they would let you do it? UTM

Quoted from HerveJosse

You don’t have to be a right winger not be a socialist . The Labour Party has only presented one socialist agenda in a general election since 1993 and got wiped out when it did.

And yet, during covid, if we ignore the billions syphoned off into the pockets of Tory cronies, the vast majority of systems in place to support you and I were pretty socialist, and even mirrored some of the Corbyn’s manifesto.

Always hilarious though when people make assumptions about the labour party, or any other party for that matter not being able to run a country when, in the last 100 or so years, they’ve ruled for no more than about 34% of the time. All it proves is masses of the voting public are politically unaware, politically illiterate and many believe anything tory spin doctors publish…

I guess another discussion here is, all those that bang on about keeping politics out of football (impossible but they still bang on), most will likely be non labour voters, how do they feel about this? How do they feel about a government white paper appearing to imply some controls over the game, which could potentially improve the governance of the sport? How do they feel about all this?

It’s alarming that people can’t see that yet again, Nici is a only there because Johnson’s Johnson needs a rest and it’s a photo opportunity and Sunak knows it’ll create a small bit of distraction from the fact his government are pushing though illegal policies…

I’ve said time and time again, there’s are merely photo opportunities and nothing more. They care nothing about th game or the club. I’d be annoyed if it was a labour MP, Green, Lib Dem or whatever…

Quoted from immariner

I don't see the connection. A lot of politically illiterate people were hoodwinked into thinking that Brexit was in their best interests. In blind surveys, Labour's proposed policies were seen much more favourably than the Tory's. But it wasn't an election about domestic policies, It was a Brexit general election, plain and simple. Anyone with any political nous knows that. So you either don't have any (political nous) or are being deliberately obtuse

Plainly put, the Tories have lost the economic argument for Brexit and their policies are now based on appeasing the electorate who think we can manage without migrant labour. Problem is most of them have either retired from work or have never worked.

Quoted from immariner

I tried to be delicate. Put it this way, as much as the place means to me, I wouldn't be particularly confident of Grimsby appearing high in a league table of average intelligence. That goes for all the other places that were persuaded to vote overwhelmingly for Brexit too. Brexit was principally a protest vote against the squeexing of living standards brought about by the economically ruinous Tory austerity politics. Poor feckers protested at the wrong polling booth, keeping the Tories in power for another 7 years

So you are now saying people in Grimsby are of below average intelligence. I thought that was National Socialism.

Quoted from HerveJosse

You don’t have to be a right winger not be a socialist . The Labour Party has only presented one socialist agenda in a general election since 1993 and got wiped out when it did.

This is a prime example of the problems we currently face. Corbyn's 2019 manifesto wasn't anything like a socialist agenda! It was simply moderate social democracy as you would find in the majority of our European neighbours. As I pointed out many a time back in 2019, most of the policies on offer wouldn't have been out of place in a Conservative Party manifesto from the early 70s, yet it was painted as socialism! It's an absolute nonsense.

The Overton window has been dragged so far to the right over the past 40 years that people have really become confused about what is extreme and what isn't. Decades of propaganda/outright bullshit from the right-wing dominated media (parroted by the BBC) and the way in which people move seamlessly in and out of government from the Tufton Street 'think tanks' (who don't reveal who funds them) means that we're now left with a government way to the right of anything that Thatcher imagined. And she was terrible enough. They are also way to the right of the majority of voters' political leanings which is why the Tories have degenerated into a Party with no ideas other than stoking a culture war and attempting to create a fake 'Us versus Them' narrative in a grubby attempt to hold onto power.

Unfortunately, the media and think tanks have done too good a job of shaping a false narrative, so we've ended up with a thoroughly unimpressive clique in charge of the Labour Party whose policies would still leave us well to the right of where Thatcher began. The only hope is that Starmer is lying about what he plans to do when he gets into power (as the Tories have done since time immemorial). All we need is moderate social democracy. And politicians with enough courage to stand up to the media barons and implement it.

How ironic that we have 2 sides of the political spectrum questioning each other’s intelligence, yet in the main they will still choose to vote for the same party’s of failure…. Insanity!

Quoted from Humbercod

How ironic that we have 2 sides of the political spectrum questioning each other’s intelligence, yet in the main they will still choose to vote for the same party’s of failure…. Insanity!

If you read carefully I think you will see that there is only one side of the arguement questioning the other sides intelligence here.

Quoted from Humbercod

How ironic that we have 2 sides of the political spectrum questioning each other’s intelligence, yet in the main they will still choose to vote for the same party’s of failure…. Insanity!

RE: voting the same way -Watch the film-doc Tory Boy to see this in action.  It's an eye opener how many people just accept the local MP is crap at his job, doesn't care about his constituents, doesn't even live in the area (3 weeks in london per month, 1 week in paris, only visits his seat on election night), employs his wife and son at an office that doesn't exist, hasn't even done a surgery in 15 years and yet when it comes to election time they all vote him back in instead of an alternative for a 7th term because that's what they've always done and he wears the right colour tie.