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I mean, I’m mostly inclined to ignore this childish reactionary, over simplified guff….but, can you give us an example of where ‘the public sector’ (where to start…?) have ‘demanded a huge pay rise’?
The unions were demanding everyone in the NHS got a £2k pay rise last year. I would consider that a huge pay rise for those in the lower bands. |
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We were talking about going south to places like Barnet & Eastleigh using the commuter network serving London weren’t we? Well I was based on the remaining fixtures. If you were planning on using TPE to get to Barnet I’d check your ticket.
TPE don’t have any exclusive routes serving and between big cities do they? So striking on a Tuesday would just mean travellers using another operator depending on their journey such as Northern, LNER, Avanti, Cross Country etc… TPE staff don’t hold any real power to disrupt large numbers of commuters.
Even as far north as Grantham, Newark, Lincoln & Retford there are large numbers of commuters who travel down to London by train and the tactic by unions is always to target weekdays when those commuters are wanting to travel in and out of London. But unlike TPE, LNER have total exclusively on direct trains to and from London from all but one of the places I have mentioned.
If you have an interest in the all areas of the railway including industrial relations you should give Rail magazine a read. It’s very interesting. Their editor (Nigel Harris) tweets regularly and is always interesting. He can be found at @Rail
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The unions were demanding everyone in the NHS got a £2k pay rise last year. I would consider that a huge pay rise for those in the lower bands.
Well you'd be wrong about that, since most NHS staff have seen their pay fall in real terms over the last decade when you take inflation into account. A £2k pay rise is the least they should be offered when you look at the wider long-term context:  Just so you know, the bosses who negotiate with unions absolutely love it when employees undermine their own bargaining power by swallowing the 'pay rises are unaffordable' argument. |
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Well you'd be wrong about that, since most NHS staff have seen their pay fall in real terms over the last decade when you take inflation into account. A £2k pay rise is the least they should be offered when you look at the wider long-term context: Just so you know, the bosses who negotiate with unions absolutely love it when employees undermine their own bargaining power by swallowing the 'pay rises are unaffordable' argument.
You're talking like the private sector have inflation beating pay rises, they don't even have pay rises unless the job suddenly falls under NMW and that's my point. We were asked if we were happy with the pay rise on offer and the options we were given were: Yes. No and I will be happy to strike. Should there not have been another option such as "No but I wish to consider alternatives to strike action?" A significant number of staff only working their 37.5 hours per week and not going above and beyond is another measure that could be taken for example. |
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You’re the only person making any comparison with the private sector. You will note it is ONLY you doing so because it’s an utterly pointless and irrelevant comparison.
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NHS staff, who the government applauded on doorsteps every Thursday night during COVID were offered f@cking 1%!!! 1% as a ‘pay rise’! Another utter con and disgrace. A huge pay cut in a life and death job as a ‘reward’. The Tories got way with that one too. Inflation was what, in 2020/21? 3% maybe?
Workers/unions don’t demand anything. They ask. It’s a negotiation. Had it actually have even been true that unions demanded a 2k pay rise for staff in the NHS, it would have actually only meant a take home amount of about £20-£30 a week in their salary. What’s that…maybe 80p an hour?!?! And the price of everything has been rising way above that for some time. I do wish people would actually think more before posting utter twaddle.
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All the bull.excrement political crap spouted by all the usuals above confirms why I went self employed years ago .
Mods please move this to non footy ffs
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All the bull.excrement political crap spouted by all the usuals above confirms why I went self employed years ago .
Mods please move this to non footy ffs
I was just about to anyway, done. |
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So because I moderate on this board I’m not allowed an opinion?
And to answer your question I absolutely do think Labour or even my cat could do a better job than these lying, thieving gets. We are seeing the biggest transfer of wealth and subsequent inequality that we’ve seen for decades and it’s only the fault of the party of Government of the last 12 years and those that nod them through back into power.
FFS, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson are all bunch of proven lying girl privates. |
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nice to see the mods continue the non footy theme.
What are peoples opinions on Brexit and how do we feel COVID and the Ukrainian crisis have affected it.
Do you think Labour would have done better ?
Well, seen as Jeremy Corbyn has basically been an EU sceptic his whole career, and Boris Johnson decided to be one when he saw an opportunity to use it as a way of getting into power, yes i imagine Labour would have done a better job with Brexit. Corbyn's stance on Brexit divided a lot of Labour voters. Conservative does not equal Brexit and Labour does not equal remain. |
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