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monkeyboy
July 24, 2020, 9:17am
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Just purely on the Begum issue - she should swing on the end of a rope for treason! no prison sentence that we have to pay for. just a nice strong piece of rope costing no more than a few quid.

Sorry but what she did is treason and the only way to stamp out this sort of thing is by being tough, if people dont like our country and its values then feck off. its gone far too soft bending to looney left wing idiots.
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Sorry but what she did is treason and the only way to stamp out this sort of thing is by being tough, if people dont like our country and its values then feck off. its gone far too soft bending to looney left wing idiots.


errrr...that’s exactly what she did, galaxy brain.
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Of course she should. As a British citizen she has the right of appeal against the decision which was made against her and the right to a chance to defend herself via her legal team. It is a fundamental tenet of British law.
Hopefully some clarity will be forthcoming on the background to the whole business which will end the allegations that the British secret service knew about her and her mates but then lost control of the situation.

It interests me greatly that the people who say she knew exactly what she was doing are quite often the people that say that Gretna Thunberg a girl of a similar age was too young and was manipulated by dark forces.


I dont think the families of the Manchester Bombings will agree with you.
Nor the familiesof those Blown up by a Jihadi on a London bus or any of the other terror attacks.
The renounced her own British Citizenship when she left!
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I dont think the families of the Manchester Bombings will agree with you.
Nor the familiesof those Blown up by a Jihadi on a London bus or any of the other terror attacks.
The renounced her own British Citizenship when she left!


For the last time the question referred to her coming back for her legal team to present her case for keeping her British citizenship. I have no great desire to see her win her case but there is something fundamentally unfair in not allowing her to be heard. If it will save you the trouble of typing it I know that ISIS have no regard for fairness and the rights of their victims but I happen to believe that in a country with one of the best legal systems in the wored we shouldn't sink to their level.


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She is entitled to her day in court as much as the rest of folk. Nobody is saying she should be winning it nor given her citizenship back but she is entitled to that day in court.

All the xenophobes who claim so much to love dear old Blighty should remember that the country they love so much does indeed provide opportunity to have that day in court. If that right is removed then surely your anger is at the country and the state for removing one of the basic entitlements.

She isn’t the first and won’t be the last.

Using the families of terror attack victims is also on the crass side.

People really need to understand that saying she is entitled to her day in court is it saying she should be entitled to her citizenship back.


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She is entitled to her day in court as much as the rest of folk. Nobody is saying she should be winning it nor given her citizenship back but she is entitled to that day in court.

All the xenophobes who claim so much to love dear old Blighty should remember that the country they love so much does indeed provide opportunity to have that day in court. If that right is removed then surely your anger is at the country and the state for removing one of the basic entitlements.

She isn’t the first and won’t be the last.

Using the families of terror attack victims is also on the crass side.

People really need to understand that saying she is entitled to her day in court is it saying she should be entitled to her citizenship back.


We understand that perfectly well, but some of us believe her crime is so heinous, and by going over there to join ISIS she removed her rights enjoyed by the rest of society.

We would prefer her to be made an example of in order not to set a precedent for similar cases, and to show others thinking of joining a terrorist organisation that the UK will take a hardline approach.

As ever there are two distinct viewpoints both of which deserve a fair hearing.

As it happens I am sure your approach will win out and she will indeed see her day in court with expensive legal actions paid for by the very people she would like to kill. The sign of a civilised society most certainly, but of course terrorist organisations feed off this perception of weakness and have no respect for it.
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errrr...that’s exactly what she did, galaxy brain.


Soon changed her flipping mind though didn't she?

My main concern about allowing her 'a day in court' to appeal against the loss of her citizenship is that, with the ridiculous unpredictable rulings of the Court of Appeal judges and after that the Law Lords, the female dog is likely to win!

Still at least we won't end up paying for her kids



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Soon changed her flipping mind though didn't she?

My main concern about allowing her 'a day in court' to appeal against the loss of her citizenship is that, with the ridiculous unpredictable rulings of the Court of Appeal judges and after that the Law Lords, the female dog is likely to win!

Still at least we won't end up paying for her kids



You embarrass yourself with your lack of common humanity, to celebrate the death of any child in such a way is disgrace
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You embarrass yourself with your lack of common humanity, to celebrate the death of any child in such a way is disgrace



On a par really with the many hundreds if not thousands of children slaughtered by the regime she both supported and assisted


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On a par really with the many hundreds if not thousands of children slaughtered by the regime she both supported and assisted
Any child that dies though Ipswin is a tragedy.All are born pure.Sadly its a combination of genetics/environment and free will that in almost all cases creates a criminal.



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