Should Shamima Begum be allowed back into the UK?

Isn't the new UK sovereign government policy that immigrants who commit crimes should be sent back to their own country to be dealt with?

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

Isn't the new UK sovereign government policy that immigrants who commit crimes should be sent back to their own country to be dealt with?

Exactly. If the government and its supporters believe that criminals should be deported to their home countries they have to realise that works both ways. I imagine if the UK starts trying to deport foreign criminals, countries are going to reject it by pointing to thie whole affair. I don't want her back in the UK particularly but you can't be inconsistent with international relations otherwise you become a laughing stock.

Quoted from Bawmariner

Exactly. If the government and its supporters believe that criminals should be deported to their home countries they have to realise that works both ways. I imagine if the UK starts trying to deport foreign criminals, countries are going to reject it by pointing to thie whole affair. I don't want her back in the UK particularly but you can't be inconsistent with international relations otherwise you become a laughing stock.

Correct, and I believe that ship has already sailed. It may even have been the Royal Navy ship that brought Salman Abedi back to Manchester...

Quoted from barralad

I dare say your last paragraph will form the basis of the case for not allowing her back.
The current Government and it's immediate predecessor have quietly been expelling people from the Windrush generation for over two years. A lot more besides who have been found not to be worthy of asylum following the due process of law. It is stretching the boundaries of credibility that if Begum is found to be guilty of all the things people say she is that this Government will not move heaven and earth to be rid of her.
If I thought even the current Labour Party was only half an inch to the left of the Tories I'd cut up my membership card.

Your lucky to have a membership card I am still waiting for my trust card over 2 years after I bought a lifetime membership.

She should absolutely be allowed back into the UK. British citizen, born in Britain and needs to see the be dealt with by the British courts.

She should’ve been allowed in and immediately arrested when she initially tried, maybe her baby would’ve survived.

Just to be clear as well, when she left the country she was a 15 year old child. Groomed and radicalised by evil terrorists. There is much to be learned from her situation to stop these things happening again.

Quoted from barralad

Of course she should. As a British citizen she has the right of appeal against the decision which was made against her and the right to a chance to defend herself via her legal team. It is a fundamental tenet of British law.
Hopefully some clarity will be forthcoming on the background to the whole business which will end the allegations that the British secret service knew about her and her mates but then lost control of the situation.

It interests me greatly that the people who say she knew exactly what she was doing are quite often the people that say that Gretna Thunberg a girl of a similar age was too young and was manipulated by dark forces.

Interesting viewpoint. For me I have a small amount of sympathy for her as she was probably manipulated by ISIS recruiters being only 14-15 when they targeted her and her brain not being developed fully. I read that in a lot of cases brain development is not completed till 30 -31.

Having said that her crime of joing ISIS is to severe and she shouldnt be allowed back to the UK.

I would only allow her in en route to Holloway for say, 5 years?

Quoted from Ipswin

I would only allow her in en route to Holloway for say, 5 years?

Valid point what LewChaterlysLover said earlier in the thread. Hence had your son or daughter been killed by ISIS your views would most likely be revenge to those who think it's right on here and elsewhere that she should be allowed to return the UK.

Iam reading a book at the  moment of the army's time in Afghanistan over the last 15 years and its heart wrenching what our British military and normal Afghan civilians faced against the Taliban. Beheadings, innocent civilians being used as human shields ,IEDs blowing up military personal etc

Likewise as you maybe  aware I saw a recent documentary on ISIS and it was shocking what they did . Put women and children into cages and burnt them alive.  

Quoted from Rick12

Interesting viewpoint. For me I have a small amount of sympathy for her as she was probably manipulated by ISIS recruiters being only 14-15 when they targeted her and her brain not being developed fully. I read that in a lot of cases brain development is not completed till 30 -31.

Having said that her crime of joing ISIS is to severe and she shouldnt be allowed back to the UK.

Another one who hasn't read the question. Nowhere have I expressed sympathy or condemnation. The question limited itself to the question of justice.
I'd like to thank Lew Chatterley's Lover for his timely and accurate correction of my point about the Government allowing it. I should have known better.
However repugnant we find ISIS to be and I hate them as much as anyone  Begum's crime unless there is so far unreleased evidence may well rest with the law relating to membership of proscribed organisations which for those looking for her to get life imprisonment may come as a bit of a shock.

Quoted from barralad

Another one who hasn't read the question. Nowhere have I expressed sympathy or condemnation. The question limited itself to the question of justice.
I'd like to thank Lew Chatterley's Lover for his timely and accurate correction of my point about the Government allowing it. I should have known better.
However repugnant we find ISIS to be and I hate them as much as anyone  Begum's crime unless there is so far unreleased evidence may well rest with the law relating to membership of proscribed organisations which for those looking for her to get life imprisonment may come as a bit of a shock.

The law is created by man though and often changes.

Some things should be set in stone though. Hence going out to the middle east to join ISIS where their agenda is one of  killing western alliances and local people who are in tandem with British and other military forces should be a automatic bar to receiving a fair trial. Hence the locals who work with the British military are often beheaded by the Taliban and ISIS.