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Rick12
July 18, 2020, 2:23pm
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Some on here are as wet as the wettest of lettuces.


Nailed it.

It's often life experiences that changes people and those who have had a cushdy life have no realities of the hardships some have to go through in life.

I see it in  football as well. Those who have had to fight more due to poverty etc often have more hunger. Truth is truth at the end of the day regardless if it sometimes goes against  some peoples agenda or the popular vote eg valuing life and trying to create a fairer balanced  society for all .





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Another one who hasn't read the question. Nowhere have I expressed sympathy or condemnation. The question limited itself to the question of justice.
I'd like to thank Lew Chatterley's Lover for his timely and accurate correction of my point about the Government allowing it. I should have known better.
However repugnant we find ISIS to be and I hate them as much as anyone  Begum's crime unless there is so far unreleased evidence may well rest with the law relating to membership of proscribed organisations which for those looking for her to get life imprisonment may come as a bit of a shock.


We all know that she'll get a housing association or council house and nice fat benefits package while spending the rest of her days sneering at the British public as she passes the homeless on every street corner.
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Allocation of council housing is not, as far as I’m aware, Shamima Begum’s responsibility.
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My initial gut reaction is " she made her bed" but......she was young, groomed, radicalised before heading out there as a 15 yr old.  
There are plenty of other victims in the UK that age that are in the sex trade, drug trade, gang life...all targetted and groomed in much the same way....do we feel as relaxed saying " they made their bed" ?

If the official channels havnt been followed then they should be and she should be given that opportunity.


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I would only allow her in en route to Holloway for say, 5 years?


I think Ollie has enough on his hands finding players for our club without having to baby sit her.


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My initial gut reaction is " she made her bed" but......she was young, groomed, radicalised before heading out there as a 15 yr old.  
There are plenty of other victims in the UK that age that are in the sex trade, drug trade, gang life...all targetted and groomed in much the same way....do we feel as relaxed saying " they made their bed" ?

If the official channels havnt been followed then they should be and she should be given that opportunity.


Aye, just your normal run of the mill teenager setting off for a life of cutting peoples heads off who dont share the same barbaric religion.

If we let her back, whatever happens with a trial and prison sentence she will become another recruiter for the cause of Islamic fundamentalism, needless to say all paid for by the hard pressed UK taxpayer.

Her sole intentions has been to kill western people whose only crime is not to be Islamic so for terrorists I would say she made her bed now let her lie in it.
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Your collective concern for the British taxpayer is admirable.

How many of you complained about British taxes being used to train and support Syrian rebel militias, which have found a natural home in ISIS?  
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Aye, just your normal run of the mill teenager setting off for a life of cutting peoples heads off who dont share the same barbaric religion
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If we let her back, whatever happens with a trial and prison sentence she will become another recruiter for the cause of Islamic fundamentalism, needless to say all paid for by the hard pressed UK taxpayer.

Her sole intentions has been to kill western people whose only crime is not to be Islamic so for terrorists I would say she made her bed now let her lie in it.


Yes, because every teenage girl naturally grows up with those thoughts don't they ??  Her young mind must have been influenced by someone/something along the way....but you can't/don't want to see that.  The people preaching the religious and racial hatred should be the targets.

"A child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind"  someone poisoned that mind.


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Quoted from Rick12
The law is created by man though and often changes.

Some things should be set in stone though. Hence going out to the middle east to join ISIS where their agenda is one of  killing western alliances and local people who are in tandem with British and other military forces should be a automatic bar to receiving a fair trial. Hence the locals who work with the British military are often beheaded by the Taliban and ISIS.



The law does change but until it does (and let's remember that the law relating to proscribed organisations was drafted and voted in by a Tory government) I guess we are stuck with what we have.


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I see Boris Johnson has called the decision to allow legal aid for this terrorist "odd and perverse. "

That is one way of describing it, but I would say it is more of a kick in the guts for law abiding decent people who are sick to death of using taxpayers money like this. Is this what the legal aid system was designed to do - help fund the legal costs of terrorists who were deemed so dangerous their citizenship was revoked?

Boris says the government are considering a change in the law. I suggest he stops considering and starts to implement laws and actions that benefit the law abiding majority and let terrorists rot in Hell.

The Conservative government was given a huge mandate by the British people to sort out a lot of things including supporting the law abiding public and making life more difficult for terrorists, criminals, rapists and other assorted wrong doers so let's get on with it.
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