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June 26, 2017, 2:08pm

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People who hold that inflated view of Britain's importance in the world are in for a shock over the coming years


Look at the numbers.
It's a fact.
I work 4 very large RoRo vessels a day from Europe. I know what comes in and what goes out and believe me they need us more than we need them.
Apart from that you do know there is a world beyond the boarders of the EU??


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Look at the numbers.
It's a fact.
I work 4 very large RoRo vessels a day from Europe. I know what comes in and what goes out and believe me they need us more than we need them.
Apart from that you do know there is a world beyond the boarders of the EU??


Exports from the UK to the EU made up 12% of our GDP in 2015. Exports from the EU to the UK made up 4% of the remainder of the EU's economy in the same year. Are these the numbers you mean?

And yes there is a big wide world but it makes economic sense to do the bulk of your trade with your nearest neighbours.
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Not to mention the fact that we simply won't be able to deal with all the new customs declarations:

https://www.theguardian.com/po.....hmrc-mps-declaration

Pretty much no chance of them sorting out the software and systems in time for the actual exit, so what happens then?

In fact, even with the software working, I wonder how we could possibly make the checks? Here's a quote from the linked article:

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In a letter published on Friday to the committee, HMRC said 96% of customs declarations made in the UK are cleared electronically within 20 seconds.

About 3% of these are subject to checks for paperwork because the lorries are from outside the EU. HMRC’s national clearance hub clears 96% of these within two hours.


Once we're outside the customs union, how is this going to work? I'd imagine some sort of IT will be required but will this still be able to deal with the 96% of declarations normally cleared within 20 seconds? Don't fancy the chances of the IT bods trying to synchronise their systems with others all around Europe, that's for sure. Does the 3% subject to paperwork checks suddenly rise to near 100%?

If so, we might need to employ hundreds of thousands of customs officers which would at least be good for employment!  

It's one of the many issues which are going to be incredibly difficult to deal with and I don't envy those who will attempt to find a resolution.

Bear in mind that under the current system, we're failing to do the job properly and face a massive fine from the EU for allowing widespread fraud:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....it-goods-move-risks/

With this in mind, how are we possibly going to cope once we leave? Despite my earlier joke about employment, little doubt we're going to need to invest massively in manpower and technology to even have a hope - billions of pounds, I'd imagine.
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June 26, 2017, 3:13pm

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Shut the fcuk up you boring bast@rds.
Take your whining and moaning onto a political site.
Or at the very least ' non footy'.


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I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
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She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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June 26, 2017, 4:13pm

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Twits of the week? People who don't believe in Britain.


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Yes brilliant, a big world beyond the borders with whom we have 0 trade agreements and who are much further away than the EU meaning that transaction costs are trebled at the very least. The US have told us categorically it will take YEARS to organise a trade deal with them, and if Mr Trump remains in power he has been very clear about "America for the Americans" a clear message that trading with overseas countries is not welcome, what ever balderdash the daily mail might print.

The truth is, and take this from someone who has studied, practiced and taught EU law and economics for many years, we are sleep walking into a BIG BIG problem which will leave the UK so far behind the rest of the modern world we will regret this decision for at least a generation.

I think the saddest thing about the entirety of Brexit is the absolute crap from both sides that has come up. Those who voted for Brexit think that it should just magically happen because they voted for it and intercourse the rest of the country, those who voted against are furious too. We are all in this together and whatever you might think about "they need us more than we need them" it is completely not true. Think about it rationally, 27 other countries need 1 country that doesnt produce anything that they dont already. We all know that what keeps the UK afloat is the city of london and financial instituions, the majority of whom will be gone in a flash come 2019.

Also whilst i welcome the red crosses that come, these again are a sad indictment of the complete failure as a country to address this problem by having a proper conversation. Like I said both sides of this debate seem to pick the "facts" that they want to be right and no one is sitting down, looking and talking with the other side. You simply cannot understand a situation if you dont look at both sides of the coin. We now know that the majority of both sides campaigns last year were built on a misunderstanding of the reality of the situation at best. The promise to put 350 million back in to the NHS was almost fraudulent especially when one considers that Brexit will cost at least 58 billion pounds before we even leave.

What is more amazing, put simply, is the desire of the fervent leavers to push this one at a time that people are using foodbanks, the NHS is on its hands and knees, there are cuts to the police forces and the standard of living for many is dangerously low. The grenville disaster neatly demonstrates the massive gap between haves and have nots and yet we are all so heavily concentrated on leaving the EU what ever the cost, its insanely self serving.


If you want to blame someone then blame Tony Blair the twit OF THE CENTURY for opening the floodgates to EU migrants. The town I live in voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU as jobs and housing are being taken by migrants and the local people have had enough.
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Threasa May wasting a BILLION OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY (YES YOU AND ME'S MONEY) on sucking up to the DUP.
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I agree with civvy,.Fornicate off to a different site you boring masturbators
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Quoted from mariner91


Exports from the UK to the EU made up 12% of our GDP in 2015. Exports from the EU to the UK made up 4% of the remainder of the EU's economy in the same year. Are these the numbers you mean?

And yes there is a big wide world but it makes economic sense to do the bulk of your trade with your nearest neighbours.


Don't talk GDP look at what comes in and what goes out.
Onto the exports from UK to the EU you have to take about 2% off for cargo being forwarded onto other country's in the world.

Britain’s trade deficit with other European Union countries is running at a record high level.

The latest healthcheck from the Office for National Statistics on goods coming in and going out of the UK reveal that the gap between exports and imports in the first three months of 2016 widened by £0.7bn to £23.9bn.

Figures from the ONS showed that Europe is gradually becoming a less important destination for UK companies. In 2000, 60% of exports went to other EU countries, but the percentage fell to 58% in 2005, 54% in 2010 and 47% in 2015.

Over the same period, imports from the EU remained constant, accounting for 54% in both 2000 and 2015.


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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