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i like vose, a lot, but unfortunately the managers we've had this season dont seem too, which means something isnt right, technically he is miles and miles above our midfield players, shame as he really does have talent, would hate for it to go to wate but what can you do?
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January 25, 2017, 10:37am |
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Perhaps it just boils down to 'hunger'. Even the technically gifted need to have the appetite for relentless application to become outstanding players. And 'practice, practice, practice', is what delivers the technical ability to begin with. I find it impossible to understand how young players (isn't Vose only 23?) can expect to develop their full potential without relentless practice on the training ground. The work ethic can only come from within. I'm not sure that anyone can really teach that, though perhaps psychotherapy can tweak a mental switch. Perhaps both Vose and Jackson would benefit from that.
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January 25, 2017, 10:49am |
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My gym has a sign saying 'Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard' - a bit trite, but sort of sums it up
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January 25, 2017, 11:05am |
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Vose clearly showed earlier in the season that he was the only player in the team who was a) comfortable on the ball b) unfazed when surrounded by opposition players as he had the skill to wriggle his way out of a situation and c) the only one capable of making an incisive pass.
He needs a manager who has the nous to understand him properly and not base their opinion solely on what he does in training. We've missed a great opportunity by not playing Vose regularly, particularly during the last few weeks when we had a midfield who probably all did well in training, but out on the pitch were utterly clueless and outclassed by the opposition.
I find these kinds of posts quite funny. If only they could see what you can see, if only they had the nous that you have, they would put Vose in every week in a number 10 role. So successive managers who have spent their whole lives in the professional game can't see that if only they would listen to the fans, they would realise the error of their ways? There is a reason Vose drifts from club to club and drifts in and out of teams. The utterly clueless midfield that have been outclassed by the opposition in the last few weeks have taken 13 points from the last 6 games. That is promotion form. Can we just trust the judgement of those whose job it is to actually pick the best team they think will win games?
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January 25, 2017, 11:16am |
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I'm glad Scunny bought him.
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January 25, 2017, 12:22pm |
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I think it's fairly obvious that those 2 are not in his plans. Neither of them are our players anyway. Vose divides opinion and i think we know which side MB comes down on.
Maybe he sees Vose as an attacking midfielder as opposed to a striker?
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January 25, 2017, 12:38pm |
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MB stated to the press a few weeks ago now that Vose had the best chance of his career to impress a manager who is there for the players and a manager who will support and develop his players....he did strongly hint that although Dom has the talent if he couldnt apply the other elements of the game then it would be hard for him to have a solid future in the game altogether as he was running out of chances.
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January 25, 2017, 12:39pm |
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I've only been able to make a handful of home matches this season. In three of them - Crewe, Hartlepool and Cheltenham - Vose started and was totally anonymous.
In fact, he was subbed off in the 76th minute on all three occasions.
I don't doubt that he has talent, and I accept that he's been much better in matches I haven't been able to get to, but clearly we're not seeing what the managers have been seeing.
I hope someone like Gavin Gunning has a word with him - someone who knows what it's like to waste talent, but who's working hard to turn it around.
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If Soccerbase is to be believed, Vose has made 12 starts and 4 sub appearances since he joined us. Just a couple of assists in this time isn't a great record for a supposedly creative player, though he did also bag a couple of goals early in the season.
It seems to be the case that he doesn't have a role in our team as it is set up at present.
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Or, to some extent, Scott Neilson, who just wasn't that bothered about being a pro despite his considerable talent.
I think Jonny makes a good point - I'd love to see him given a run of games (even if only as sub) in an advanced centre midfield position, but something is stopping Marcus from doing that. Mystery really.
Fans often suggest that this is where they want too see Vose played (myself included) BUT no manager seems to see him in that role. Even at Wrexham he was played wide left as he has primarily been here
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