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It's not just Hurst and Bignot who haven't played him regularly. At Wrexham he was on the bench prior to his departure and as a kid was bombed out by West Ham.
Always said that talent only gets you so far, it has to be combined with attitude and application to even stand a chance of making it.
No manager in his right mind would 'build a team around him' unless he was desperate for the sack
Vose is heading back to non league obscurity I'm afraid
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Surely you need to earn your chance on the training pitch. When I think of Vose, my mind seems to be drawn to Sestanovich.
Or, to some extent, Scott Neilson, who just wasn't that bothered about being a pro despite his considerable talent. I think Jonny makes a good point - I'd love to see him given a run of games (even if only as sub) in an advanced centre midfield position, but something is stopping Marcus from doing that. Mystery really.
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I love to watch Dominic play, he has some lovely skills, but I have to say he is not great off the ball which is why managers probably don't make him first choice.
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If he went tomorrow he would not be missed, a skillful bit player at the most and one that Scunny won't want to keep. we have better now.
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Some players are better in training than in matches and some are not so good in training but deliver (or are more effective) in games. I'm all for discipline and people having to earn places etc but when it comes down to it, I'm sure a manager would favour someone who is better on a Saturday. At the end of the day his job depends on what happens on a Saturday, not during the week behind closed doors.
I think when he's had a run of games he was one of our best players. When he was left-midfield under Hurst for 7/8 games he scored a couple and created a few goals, being an outlet that could receive the ball under pressure and make things happen. Only had the odd game under MB so far.
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Thinking back, he had the opportunity to come here last January and chose Scunny.
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I really can't see how he'd fit into the current system anyway.
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I'm a fan of what Vose brings technically but his work-rate/ethic wouldn't be of benefit to the side at present.
I still think he deserves, or deserved, a run playing in the No 10 role but I think that's gone. We've brought Osborne in who is far more industrious but also has creativity to his game.
The Neilson/Sestanovic comparisons are very fair, loads of natural talent but not the right application levels to achieve. Granted, I think too much is made of players who don't bleed on the shirt every game and fly into 50/50 tackles all the time but if you have an option of someone who can create and will work or someone who will only look to create, it's a no brainer.
I also suspect that we won't regret letting Vose slip away too much. Just like we didn't with Neilson 2 years ago.
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Sestanovich, Peter's Bore and Sweeney and Scott Neilson (even...Graham Hockless for a few short months) - differing degrees of over-talented for the level they played with us, but each only showed it whimsically. If they had put in the requisite effort throughout their careers, they'd have likely never pulled on black and white and played at our level. That effort would've meant they were playing with others of similar ability, and as such a relatively small fish in a bigger pond...rather than (certainly ability-wise...and ability to excite the fans) a big talented fish in a smaller GTFC-level pond.
A whole manner of things are required to knit a cohesive and successful team together and often, these personalities can and will be as disruptive in more subtle ways than their very obvious (though sporadic) gifts bring to boost the team.
It's a real shame, as they were each at times very exciting to watch, but perhaps we will add to the list Dominic Vose.
As others have said, it can be no coincidence that he's been perennially moved on/unplayed at previous clubs - at higher and lower levels - despite the undoubted technical gifts he possesses.
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Its exactly the same as when Vose was at Colchester on loan from W Ham. According to my mate a Colchester ST holder he made the rest of the team look very ordinary when he could be bothered which wasn't very often.
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