Ivan Toney

Quoted from aldi_01

I’m glad he admitted his addiction and I’m glad that was taken into consideration but all those that suggested it was harsh and that he hadn’t bet on his moan team now look a bit silly…

The really sad thing in all this is that a bloke who clearly has a talent will now be remembered for this, for the rest of his life probably…

This in flipping spades!!!!

I wonder if any of these players who have gambling problems have topped out Peter Swanns 20 million quid loss at the bookies? .
Bonkers , and it's actively encouraged - gambling is like any addiction for me, although not physical I can see how you could 'get a taste ' for it - not my thing as i'm tight and would rather put a few quid in a jar than chase the dream .

it's all most the worse addiction because it's essentially the easiest one to hide , drug addicts alcholics are usually easily picked out , the thing is the online & betting shop bookies will never stop a problem gambler chasing his losses no matter what they say , for me it needs to be spoke about in schools , it opens old wounds for me my old man was a gambling addict back in the day when i was a child

Quoted from fishcake63

it's all most the worse addiction because it's essentially the easiest one to hide , drug addicts alcholics are usually easily picked out , the thing is the online & betting shop bookies will never stop a problem gambler chasing his losses no matter what they say , for me it needs to be spoke about in schools , it opens old wounds for me my old man was a gambling addict back in the day when i was a child

So I used to work with a lad, I recruited him he came across well n two interviews & had good references.

He worked hard but I always felt he was a bit difficult to get to know, not shy or reserved but just something.

I found out what it was when his Mrs turned up at work one Saturday morning to say he’s been sent to prison for knocking telly’s out of the back door at Tesco

Why? He had a gambling addiction that meant he’d lost his previous wife, house, kids and what I later got to understand his self esteem.

Addictions are not diseases they are conditions so difficult to cure, in fact they truly can’t be cured & have to be managed daily forever.

I’m not a spiteful person but the disregard I have for betting and betting in sport puts me in that space not towards the people who punt but the people who make millions from the misery of the whole scenario.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So I used to work with a lad, I recruited him he came across well n two interviews & had good references.

He worked hard but I always felt he was a bit difficult to get to know, not shy or reserved but just something.

I found out what it was when his Mrs turned up at work one Saturday morning to say he’s been sent to prison for knocking telly’s out of the back door at Tesco

Why? He had a gambling addiction that meant he’d lost his previous wife, house, kids and what I later got to understand his self esteem.

Addictions are not diseases they are conditions so difficult to cure, in fact they truly can’t be cured & have to be managed daily forever.

I’m not a spiteful person but the disregard I have for betting and betting in sport puts me in that space not towards the people who punt but the people who make millions from the misery of the whole scenario.

Great post and I bet many have either been in that position ,or know of someone similiar. Let's face it we all have our vices and I bet if a good few started to have a dabble they would end up in Toneys position , probably worse ; he can make another 50k next week or whatever .

The best thing that could come out of it would be Toney getting rehab and actively going against gambling.

But mainstream media will still promote the fu*k out of the apps etc while then putting a small 'gamble aware ' at the end .

It's the equivalent of when they promoted cigs back in the day all over the place , with the small warning at the end that you could barely see.

Quoted from Mappers

I wonder if any of these players who have gambling problems have topped out Peter Swanns 20 million quid loss at the bookies? .
Bonkers , and it's actively encouraged - gambling is like any addiction for me, although not physical I can see how you could 'get a taste ' for it - not my thing as i'm tight and would rather put a few quid in a jar than chase the dream .

The actual amount of money doesn't really mean anything mate.
What is important is how much the individual needs that money or how much of a problem the debt will be.

Gambling addiction has many forms and I agree with fishcake that is different to drugs or alcohol because it is much easier to hide, though not forever.

The statistics for the number of addicts in this country, and I guess everywhere else, are an absolute joke. It is incredible how it has been allowed to become so mainstream. Saying that we can have a decent punt at why it has been allowed to do so but I don't think it will be that long until things have to change socially.

As for Toney I'm not really sure where I stand. I hope he isn't an addict but if he is I hope that he manages to get the help that he needs to move on with his career/life.
The news today about betting against his contracted employer looks pretty awful and does present many questions though.

It’s not helped by the language used…

I hear ‘that goal cost me 3 grand’ or whatever countless times in a pub or at the match in the season…

It didn’t cost them 3 grand though, not unless that’s how much they bet, it cost them the price of then stake but it’s not seen as that.

Gambling has never appealed to me but I do see why people do it, but as you say, it’s the silent, almost invisible addiction. Ya never see a bookie throw anyone out and all those nonsense ‘bet responsibly’ and ‘set betting limits’ is just guff…asking an addict to set a limit is like asking a dog to excrement in a toilet…it’s not happening…

I once stood with 4 lads in the boozer one Sunday, tail end of the season, they calculated between them that they’d some about £30-35k over the season…they were buzzing, like patting themselves on the back etc…I lent in and asked them how much they’d all staked across the season…they worked it out…£28500 there are there abouts…they weren’t patting each other on the back so much after that, but they still couldn’t see that they’d made very little in comparison to the money laid out…

I hate gambling id ban all the apps on the phone and limit bets in person at the bookies to say a fiver tops. That Coates woman CEO of bet 365 is the highest paid boss in the uk, that tells you everything. I worked with a bloke who would spin a casino wheel on his break at work I might add not a real casino a digital one and lose a days pay before 10am. It’s not the complete answer but make it harder to place bets would help

It’s all about the person, like the ones that smoke . They can’t or won’t stop even though they know it’s killing them .
I like a bet (on golf) it makes it more interesting to watch, I spend about £20 a week which is well within my budget and when I win it obviously costs me nothing , but if I win a couple of hundred I will then spend a bit more . Imagine that with a few more 0s on the end for these high earners .
My gambling is not an addiction it’s a form of entertainment, people who bet on the toss of a coin etc have a gambling addiction and need help

Quoted from CSLM

The actual amount of money doesn't really mean anything mate.
What is important is how much the individual needs that money or how much of a problem the debt will be.

Gambling addiction has many forms and I agree with fishcake that is different to drugs or alcohol because it is much easier to hide, though not forever.

The statistics for the number of addicts in this country, and I guess everywhere else, are an absolute joke. It is incredible how it has been allowed to become so mainstream. Saying that we can have a decent punt at why it has been allowed to do so but I don't think it will be that long until things have to change socially.

As for Toney I'm not really sure where I stand. I hope he isn't an addict but if he is I hope that he manages to get the help that he needs to move on with his career/life.
The news today about betting against his contracted employer looks pretty awful and does present many questions though.

I agree mate the amount does not matter it's more how it can effect people and those around them's lives .

I think another issue is that cash you don't have is so readily available -I am always getting mail through begging me to get a credit card , so I could see people 'having a go' with no cash in the bank .

If you win you chase more , if you lose you try and recoup I guess if you are an addict + maybe the buzz?

Whether Toney is an addict or not is irrelevant really i guess , if it highlights the problem more and makes positive change .

Can anyone actually see that though?