Well done GTFC and trust (again)

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Nope, they still want to put B Teams into the pyramid. Can't give them an inch and legitimise this competition.

They will put together a package that sways greedy owners

Who are “they”?

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Nope, they still want to put B Teams into the pyramid. Can't give them an inch and legitimise this competition.

They will put together a package that sways greedy owners

This, there are plenty of moronic owners like fenty around that will think they 'have' to do the bidding of those who want b teams in order to get more money. Failing to understand that if they all get more money nobody is any better off really, and if they all didn't have it nobody is really any worse off.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Who are “they”?

Well Greg Dyke obviously and the others on his group that put forward the proposal. Shaun Harvey said it wasn't the right time or something which kept his options open.

They may no longer be at the top of the game, I'm not sure, but even if not they will have been replaced with others who support the idea as they think only of the elite.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Isn’t this getting a bit boring now? B teams will never happen. Yes the EFL Trophy needs sorting but the PL have everyone by the short and curries.

If we all take their money in form of solidarity payments which in all 3 EFL divisions are worth more than the EFL TV money then you have to give something back. 1 game a season against an under 21 side. It could be a hell of lot worse.

Instead of crying over 2016’s fight maybe we should all focus our attentions on the next issue coming into view. i.e. The EFL Cup once all the European group stages expand and there’s no room in the calendar for the European qualifiers to enter their first team in the EFL Cup.

They are already able to take our best young players for what is pennies to them whenever they want. Is that not enough already?

I've never really held much of an opinion either side regards B teams being in this competition. I get those who do have fierce opposition to the idea and hence why fans have stayed away from the competition as a form of protest.

There will inevitably be lower attendances for those games regardless, but I'm wondering whether it's time to shelve the protest aspect of non-attendance and try to get numbers into these games, solely for the reason of putting the extra £££s into the Club.

This last year has been incredible and all to a person we've highlighted on here how well run the Club has been and how investment has been made to strengthen not just the team but the Club as a whole. Season tickets show how well the fanbase is rallying around those improvements and maintaining the feel-good factor ready to attack next season head on.

Planning on EFL Trophy games being reduced ticket prices, I doubt they'll bring in mega-bucks, but even if it offered in the region of £20k from a good turn out, that's £20k towards that continued improvement.

I have every trust in how 1878 manage the Clubs budget and I have faith they'll offer as much as is humanly possible to PH, but perhaps a hook from them to try get people in to the games is to suggest that every penny from gate/food sales is added to the playing budget for the January window. Unlikely to be season-altering sums but I'm sure he wouldn't begrudge an extra few quid if we can get him it, especially if that small sum is the difference between getting a 'good' L2 player and a stand-out L2 player.

It’s amazing how many people say they “get” the protests, yet clearly do not get it at all.

You either have your principles or you don’t, regardless of how much money is waved in front of your face.  

Anyone thinking that fatigue in the protests hasn’t been factored in by the money men clearly hasn’t been paying attention. “Oooh maybe we should just give up, it’s boring now”. Imagine telling your kids THAT was your stance when you had the chance to stand up for your club.

Quoted from ska face

It’s amazing how many people say they “get” the protests, yet clearly do not get it at all.

You either have your principles or you don’t, regardless of how much money is waved in front of your face.  

Anyone thinking that fatigue in the protests hasn’t been factored in by the money men clearly hasn’t been paying attention. “Oooh maybe we should just give up, it’s boring now”. Imagine telling your kids THAT was your stance when you had the chance to stand up for your club.

I think it's possible to 'get' a persons view without sharing it yourself.

I'm always willing to learn however so re-educate me on your reasoning as to why this is a critical issue in need of protest. That's not an aggressive request by the way, that's a genuine interest in peoples views as to why it's a concern.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Who are “they”?

The premier league, FA, big clubs and even people within the EFL.

The main reason solidarity payments are needed is because of the monster that the Premier League has created in our game.

intercourse 'em.  Sick and tired of the attitude that we should be grateful for what they give us.  The solidarity payments, the youth funding....it's absolute crumbs that they're brushing off the top table and the Football League are sitting there waiting for it like lapdogs.  

If anyone honestly believes that the Premier League still doesn't want to have Under 23/21's in the pyramid then ask yourself why are they still in this competition?  3 guaranteed games a season against under strength sides from well down the pyramid.   If they wanted games they would get more from trying to enter sides into the reserve leagues such as the Central League.  They've made no attempts to do so because it wouldn't suit the wider agenda.

People start creeping back into watch these games then it justifies the move.  All it takes is for attendances to be there or thereabouts what they were pre-2016.  That then sends the message that they can grind it out, they can wear us down and get what they want.  

Next step will be Under 23 teams in the League Cup, with some bizarre conditions that they can't play each other, so in the event that Spurs Under 23's draw Spurs then the first team get a bye. That'll go on with protests for a little while, until people get worn down and drawn back in with offers to see 'The Next Generation' for a fiver and they'll be justified that gates are returned....It's a long drawn out plan.  

Stay strong people.  Flinch now and they'll take advantage, refuse to budge and they'll eventually have to accept defeat.

Quoted from toontown

This, there are plenty of moronic owners like fenty around that will think they 'have' to do the bidding of those who want b teams in order to get more money. Failing to understand that if they all get more money nobody is any better off really, and if they all didn't have it nobody is really any worse off.

But the point is what?
The Board/Trust have said they have " opposition to the inclusion of any Under 21 or U23 teams joining the Football League, in any way."  The fans (most?) are happy with GTFC being on their side and now what?
Does PH send a team out made up of tea ladies, ball boys, and the kit man, being thrashed 22-0, and that will show "them", a poke in the eye, they'll never forget? Or do fans stay away, and starve the club of money that it requires for the next push.? In the meantime for and against buying tickets for these games can turn nasty like last time.
Playing to the gallery might get them instant gratification, but in the long run, will only show a poor decision which I thought we had turned a corner on.
The board should keep their politics and push at the EFL. Now what will they say when only 50 punters turn up to a game?