New Training Ground.!!

Has there been any update on the new training ground at Immingham seems to have gone very quiet.

Quoted from Yoda

Has there been any update on the new training ground at Immingham seems to have gone very quiet.

Who said it was Immingham ? ?

Its just a pipe dream. Like the new ground is  

Quoted from Yoda

Has there been any update on the new training ground at Immingham seems to have gone very quiet.

My bet is that they are awaiting the council to get out of bed to grant  permission to build 20 houses on half the land to fund the facility

Quoted from denni266

Its just a pipe dream. Like the new ground is  

Maybe they're just lowering our expectations ?
Instead of waiting another 25 years for a new ground they'll just keep us waiting 20 for a new training ground ?
At least this will stop us worrying about a new stadium

Way Town passed it Saturday think they trained in a pub lounge

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Way Town passed it Saturday think they trained in a pub lounge

Do we even need a training ground? Our best display of the season was after one Artell training session when he first came in.

Let's try that strategy from now on and have one training session at BP the day before a game and save ourselves a fortune.

I don't get the need to pay £6m for a training ground, even with a large building to train inside when the weather is bad.

Quoted from JK47

I don't get the need to pay £6m for a training ground, even with a large buyilding to train inside when the weather is bad.

Nor me. Rather the money be spent on extending and upgrading the main stand and we have sunk quite a sum of cash upgrading Cheapside which will become a bit of a waste if we move elsewhere.

In an ideal world where cash wasn’t a problem then yes great go for it but unless there is money to be had from external investment it does seem an awful lot of money to outlay.

Quoted from JK47

I don't get the need to pay £6m for a training ground, even with a large building to train inside when the weather is bad.

Me neither. If we're staying at BP then we need to invest in it. Moving the training ground to Immingham doesn't make the club any more attractive to better players.

We absolutely should focus on a better training ground as a higher priority than improving BP.  They’re obviously focussing to some degree on both, but for the:
“Do nice scotch eggs get you 3 points on a Saturday?” Brigade, better training facilities absolutely do improve your chances of a better points tally.  It makes us more attractive to prospective players and helps us get more out of the players we have.

I’d love to see an improved view in the Main stand, but it’ll take time & the impact will probably only be more moaning as the Main Stand will be able to see what’s actually happening!

Quoted from Yoda

Has there been any update on the new training ground at Immingham seems to have gone very quiet.

Yeah a bit like you over the last month. Not had anything to say apart from predicting us to lose since the win against FGR, but managing about 5 posts a day since Saturday afternoon.

Funny that.

Quoted from Brummie Codfather

We absolutely should focus on a better training ground as a higher priority than improving BP.  They’re obviously focussing to some degree on both, but for the:
“Do nice scotch eggs get you 3 points on a Saturday?” Brigade, better training facilities absolutely do improve your chances of a better points tally.  It makes us more attractive to prospective players and helps us get more out of the players we have.

I’d love to see an improved view in the Main stand, but it’ll take time & the impact will probably only be more moaning as the Main Stand will be able to see what’s actually happening!

not forgetting the increased income streams from renting out pitches, facilities etc.

I think a new training ground is a must if we want better quality players. Cheapside is past its best and is exactly what the name is, CHEAP.

If a potential new play asked where do I change whats the dressing room is like, converted portacabin, where do I shower, converted portacabin, where is the gym, converted portacabin etc, etc.

Converted portacabins have there use but not any more at CHEAPside.

The £6 million figure has come about mainly because of building materials going up, if we want top class players then that's what we have to pay.

Having a professional level training centre will only encourage the better local young prospects to join town and attract kids who are released from higher grade academies.
My son has been invited down to a few training sessions at Brighton’s centre which is just on another level . We were both walking in with our eyes like this 😳😳 . If town could have have something 25% on that level it would be incredible for the club and have financial benefits down the line .

Quoted from JK47

I don't get the need to pay £6m for a training ground, even with a large building to train inside when the weather is bad.

We don’t have 6 million hence the need to build20 houses to fund it

The improvement of BP and a new training ground can co-exist together , and it's vital both happen imo .

It's whether they can raise the investment for either or both , I hope they can but it's just wait and see isn't it ; the one positive (in a way ) from Dear John was that regarding Town I never get too excited about any plans after all of his (empty) promises - I will get excited if  the golden spade  breaks ground .

Wasn't the 6 million figure bandied about when it was going to be somewhere in the centre of town? Maybe the ming ming solution is much cheaper?

If a better training facility translates into better quality and results on the pitch throughout the age groups and first team then perhaps this will aid receiving outside investment for a new ground or redevelopment of BP and the club as a whole in the community. Whatever the aim , it won’t be overnight but long term will benefit gtfc . As long as we can stay in the league.

Quoted from Yoda

Has there been any update on the new training ground at Immingham seems to have gone very quiet.

Poster gets a bit bored so starts a meaningless thread,

How big/expensive are these 20 houses going to be to fund a £6million project?

Just a pure guess but I reckon we are moving to the Bradley FDC when Clee Fields is complete. Or we are moving to Clee Fields as the operator however we don't own it then so probably us buying Bradley FDC.

An operator for the site is now being sought, with a view to taking on, and running, the site later this year. This opportunity is now available to view and submit bids by anyone interested on YORtender Public quote/tender – Operator for Clee Fields Pavilion & Pitches (eu-supply.com)- external site

https://www.nelincs.gov.uk/operator-sought-for-the-new-clee-fields-pavilion-and-pitches/

Just feels like it's probably something to do with these sites as it would explain the delays.

How much profit do you get by building 20 houses ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

How much profit do you get by building 20 houses ?

Depends on what you get for them and how much you spent building them!

Quoted from diehardmariner

How big/expensive are these 20 houses going to be to fund a £6million project?

There’s always one 20 luxury houses at 300000 would bring in the 6 million and 24 at250000 brings you in 6 million

Quoted from grimsby pete

How much profit do you get by building 20 houses ?

I would imagine the 6 million being branded about is the sum you need to buy the land build the houses and the training facility

Quoted from crusty ole pie

There’s always one 20 luxury houses at 300000 would bring in the 6 million and 24 at250000 brings you in 6 million

Yes, providing the land is free and they cost nothing to build.

Quoted from RonMariner

Yes, providing the land is free and they cost nothing to build.

Don’t understand that the cost of buying the land building the houses and the training facility total cost 6 million sale of the houses 6 million next cost to club nothing. I am no expert in this field but you get the gist of it

Its odd that we need a new training ground because Cheapside obviously isnt providing us with adequate training facilities, even though over the years it has had new pitches laid, new changing rooms, new dining area, physio rooms and gym.
Well, how come when Town were a much better team to watch, they also trained at Cheapside with much crappier facilities. Are you sure its not just the quality of the players, all along, that is causing the quality of football to do a massive downturn over the years? Surely it cant all be blamed on the training ground?
Why dont they start training at local schools again, like they used to. Nearly every school field has to be of a certain standard so it is not dangerous for the kids to play on.
Wouldn't the figure being banded around, 6 million?, be much better spent on new quality players instead?

I can’t remember now, but we’re JS and AP saying they would fund it? Or just seek finance for it?

Quoted from RonMariner

I can’t remember now, but we’re JS and AP saying they would fund it? Or just seek finance for it?

They said investors would pay for it. No idea what that means, because there's unlikely to be any return and why would anybody put millions in for somebody else to spend?

I was told the original plan was to crowd fund it, and the cost was more like 2 million. Who knows what the plans are now, I can't imagine crowd funding would touch the sides though.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Its odd that we need a new training ground because Cheapside obviously isnt providing us with adequate training facilities, even though over the years it has had new pitches laid, new changing rooms, new dining area, physio rooms and gym.
Well, how come when Town were a much better team to watch, they also trained at Cheapside with much crappier facilities. Are you sure its not just the quality of the players, all along, that is causing the quality of football to do a massive downturn over the years? Surely it cant all be blamed on the training ground?
Why dont they start training at local schools again, like they used to. Nearly every school field has to be of a certain standard so it is not dangerous for the kids to play on.
Wouldn't the figure being banded around, 6 million?, be much better spent on new quality players instead?

I get your point but I think there are several factors to consider here. I would guess in the late 80s/early 90s the training ground would not have been too different from other teams? Like you say they used to come to schools and train, or train on King George's so anything would have been an improvement. So if players are looking at the facility where they will spend most of their working time then if it was not too far behind others then we could persuade them to come. However, it "seems" that perhaps we are a long way behind now so if players are wavering then it may be a deciding factor. It is where they spend most of their working time, the ground is probably only going to be less than 10% of their working week so a state of the art training facility will have a big sway on whether people turn up or not.

Clearly it is the quality of the players who have caused a downturn in the quality of football, we can't blame the training pitches on what they do on the pitch. However, as I have said, we do need to entice good players to come and a good training ground will help with that, surely?

Answering your last question. It all depends where the money has come from doesn't it? I am sure that you can spend pretty much what you want on capital projects without it going against any fair funding protocols but to be able to spend £6m on players then we need to have that from income streams such as sponsorship or gate receipts (or selling shares, etc.) even if we amortise across several years. So yes, of course it would be better to spend it on players, but I am not entirely sure it is possible!

It does worry me that after 3 years the owners haven’t attracted a single penny of outside investment anywhere. Are they saying we can build a new training ground AND improve BP without external money?!

Quoted from RonMariner

I can’t remember now, but we’re JS and AP saying they would fund it? Or just seek finance for it?

Don’t see how we can afford better players, a better ground and better training facilities. Can’t see how it all stacks up.

Quoted from LN8Mariner

I get your point but I think there are several factors to consider here. I would guess in the late 80s/early 90s the training ground would not have been too different from other teams? Like you say they used to come to schools and train, or train on King George's so anything would have been an improvement. So if players are looking at the facility where they will spend most of their working time then if it was not too far behind others then we could persuade them to come. However, it "seems" that perhaps we are a long way behind now so if players are wavering then it may be a deciding factor. It is where they spend most of their working time, the ground is probably only going to be less than 10% of their working week so a state of the art training facility will have a big sway on whether people turn up or not.

Clearly it is the quality of the players who have caused a downturn in the quality of football, we can't blame the training pitches on what they do on the pitch. However, as I have said, we do need to entice good players to come and a good training ground will help with that, surely?

Answering your last question. It all depends where the money has come from doesn't it? I am sure that you can spend pretty much what you want on capital projects without it going against any fair funding protocols but to be able to spend £6m on players then we need to have that from income streams such as sponsorship or gate receipts (or selling shares, etc.) even if we amortise across several years. So yes, of course it would be better to spend it on players, but I am not entirely sure it is possible!

Investment in infrastructure doesn't count towards fair play rules, but any income we are able to receive from a training ground would. That is another reason to keep it local and make it a facility that the community can use.

Quoted from Heisenberg

It does worry me that after 3 years the owners haven’t attracted a single penny of outside investment anywhere. Are they saying we can build a new training ground AND improve BP without external money?!

Must admit it has surprised me that two multi millionaires who are both entrepreneurs have not been in a position to attract further investment from their wide circle of contacts. I seem to recall Jason saying in an interview, think it was during their first year in charge, that there were interested parties but it wasn’t the right time and they wanted people to be investing for the right reasons.

Obviously I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes and we certainly want to avoid any further dodgy characters trying to get involved but it would be nice, if we survive this season, if we could get some further income streams to give the fans a bit of a feel good factor which is much needed at present.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Don’t understand that the cost of buying the land building the houses and the training facility total cost 6 million sale of the houses 6 million next cost to club nothing. I am no expert in this field but you get the gist of it

20 houses sold at £300,000 a pop will just equal £6million in sales.  It's not profit.  The costs of building houses is through the roof at the minute (both labour and materials).

This article is a few years old but it gives a feel for the profit margins - https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2022/03/02/persimmon-makes-66000-profit-per-house/

£66,000 profit per house from a major national home builder.   Over 20 houses that's £1.32million profit, without even considering the reduced scales of economies that Persimmon will get from building housing estates in the 100's if not 1000's of houses.

We're not going to offset the cost of buying land and the cost of building the training ground by effectively sub-contracting the building and sale of 20 houses out to a builder. It'll need to be something on a much, much bigger scale.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Must admit it has surprised me that two multi millionaires who are both entrepreneurs have not been in a position to attract further investment from their wide circle of contacts. I seem to recall Jason saying in an interview, think it was during their first year in charge, that there were interested parties but it wasn’t the right time and they wanted people to be investing for the right reasons.

Obviously I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes and we certainly want to avoid any further dodgy characters trying to get involved but it would be nice, if we survive this season, if we could get some further income streams to give the fans a bit of a feel good factor which is much needed at present.

Government money.  So-called levelling up.

Interesting how Barrow have relocated their training ground 100 miles from ground are they attracting players on that they have based it in a central part where players can return and travel As GTFC rebuild talk of training grounds etc I wonder if that would help recruitment
On separate matter
Travelling on Friday from London to Barrow it feels the back of beyond 6hrs train 2 hrs bus replacement UTM

Quoted from Trevor Whymark

Interesting how Barrow have relocated their training ground 100 miles from ground are they attracting players on that they have based it in a central part where players can return and travel As GTFC rebuild talk of training grounds etc I wonder if that would help recruitment
On separate matter
Travelling on Friday from London to Barrow it feels the back of beyond 6hrs train 2 hrs bus replacement UTM

Surely you’ve seen that topic has been done to death. We won’t be getting an out of town training facility like barrows.

Quoted from jimgtfc

Surely you’ve seen that topic has been done to death. We won’t be getting an out of town training facility like barrows.

Exactly!! Our owners ethos is a club and it's infrastructure that benefits the community.

Pretty sure we will get some news in the very near future because this is a lot further on than people think 🤔

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Must admit it has surprised me that two multi millionaires who are both entrepreneurs have not been in a position to attract further investment from their wide circle of contacts. I seem to recall Jason saying in an interview, think it was during their first year in charge, that there were interested parties but it wasn’t the right time and they wanted people to be investing for the right reasons.

Obviously I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes and we certainly want to avoid any further dodgy characters trying to get involved but it would be nice, if we survive this season, if we could get some further income streams to give the fans a bit of a feel good factor which is much needed at present.

After reading his articles in the Guardian I wouldn't be surprised if potential investors regard his views as toxic and puts them off-it certainly would me.

On the discussion about training facilities I can't understand why our squad is always lacking in fitness compared to other teams and is so injury prone. The whole training regime needs looking at. Perhaps we need to go back to those long runs on the beach of the Buckley era

Quoted from realist

After reading his articles in the Guardian I wouldn't be surprised if potential investors regard his views as toxic and puts them off-it certainly would me.

On the discussion about training facilities I can't understand why our squad is always lacking in fitness compared to other teams and is so injury prone. The whole training regime needs looking at. Perhaps we need to go back to those long runs on the beach of the Buckley era

Dave Moore has been a wonderful servant, but he's also been a constant presence through our lowest ebb. Some of his medical advice has allegedly been questionable. Adrian Forbes was publicly very critical of him.

Quoted from realist

After reading his articles in the Guardian I wouldn't be surprised if potential investors regard his views as toxic and puts them off-it certainly would me.

On the discussion about training facilities I can't understand why our squad is always lacking in fitness compared to other teams and is so injury prone. The whole training regime needs looking at. Perhaps we need to go back to those long runs on the beach of the Buckley era

Well he is obviously fishing in a smaller pond with his views , as anybody would who keep pushing a particular viewpoint; it's the same with B Corp which is a vehicle for quite a narrow band of businesses and investors. I thought the ESG industry in general was coming under more and more scrutiny due to increased costs for the consumers who have to pay for it.

Didn't My Energy seem to tick all their boxes but I think they may have stalled a bit with their meteoric rise.

They need investors from somewhere so we will just have to see.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Pretty sure we will get some news in the very near future because this is a lot further on than people think 🤔

How much further on is it ?

I'm not sure there's hundreds and hundreds of investors just waiting to be found if I'm honest.

Certainly not ones who will be in it for the long haul and not to our detriment anyway.

The ideal investors will be those who are happy to put cash in, help us develop and then recoup their investment (and some) because of our significant improvement.  That'll take time and even if we progress to League One, intercourse it let's say we really achieve and reach the Championship, how profitable are we?  

What level of investment is needed to take us there and how much is an investor ever going to get back?  We've seen lots and lots of talk on this forum about the annual 'investment' that Lincoln's owners are having to put in, that's just to make them punchy and an outsider in League One.  Should they reach the Championship, how much is anyone going to be prepared to pay for the shareholding of the American investors?  I'll be honest and say it's not a lot.  

It's exactly the same here, minus the fact you can argue that Lincoln is a growing city with ongoing improvements to its infrastructure so are much more sellable.   We're a division down, a ground that needs more investment than Sincil Bank and minus a training ground (yet).

If you're an investor, are you putting money into us knowing it's a long road just to make us better and then there's limited chance of a return on your investment to start with?  I'm not.

For sure there will be countless investors who will want to come in and see what they can strip for a quick buck, thankfully 1878 will be keeping them away.  But there will generally just be a severe lack of legitimate investors who will help us, this is one we're going to have to be very, very patient on.

Why would anyone without a love for the club and a ton of cash to spare invest in us? It’s hardly likely to generate a rerun on investment.

It doesn’t usually end well when wealthy investors with no prior link to the club or the community start getting involved.

Quoted from realist

After reading his articles in the Guardian I wouldn't be surprised if potential investors regard his views as toxic and puts them off-it certainly would me.

On the discussion about training facilities I can't understand why our squad is always lacking in fitness compared to other teams and is so injury prone. The whole training regime needs looking at. Perhaps we need to go back to those long runs on the beach of the Buckley era

Go on...I'll bite. Which of his views particularly are toxic?

Quoted from realist

After reading his articles in the Guardian I wouldn't be surprised if potential investors regard his views as toxic and puts them off-it certainly would me.

On the discussion about training facilities I can't understand why our squad is always lacking in fitness compared to other teams and is so injury prone. The whole training regime needs looking at. Perhaps we need to go back to those long runs on the beach of the Buckley era

Sorry? What injury prone players have we had in recent years? and when have we ever been lacking in fitness? I'd probably say the complete opposite... the way we played under PH required us to be one of the fittest teams in the league. Stats also backed that up as in our seasons in the NL we covered the most distance. I think we're the complete opposite in terms of injury prone players, there's a number of players that have come here after suffering with constant injury setbacks to restart there careers. Denver Hume this season and Josh Emmanuel last, two players that have played a handful of games in years both played consistent football here but I can name so many players that played consistent football here after long term injuries elsewhere. The only player I can name that I think of injury prone is Liam Hearn and that was a horror injury that essentially ended his chances of a successful career.

Quoted from RonMariner

Why would anyone without a love for the club and a ton of cash to spare invest in us? It’s hardly likely to generate a rerun on investment.

It doesn’t usually end well when wealthy investors with no prior link to the club or the community start getting involved.

Exactly! I never see it as an "investment" , where lower league teams are concerned, because that implies that they will get a return on their " investment" which is highly unlikely. Wasn't it Alan Sugar who said that he had a large fortune when he bought Spurs and after her sold the club he had a smaller fortune - and that's one of the " big six" clubs playing at the highest English level!
The community aspect is the path that JS and AP want to pursue but it also needs incoming funds from wealthy individuals or consortiums to cover any unforeseen hiccups. Ideally we need a very wealthy local businessman ( or consortium of such) with a love for the club and a willingness to leave a lasting legacy e.g a new stand (s) at BP , a new up to date training facility or even a new ground. Wether such an individual or group of individuals exists remains to be seen.

Quoted from rancido

Ideally we need a very wealthy local businessman ( or consortium of such) with a love for the club and a willingness to leave a lasting legacy e.g a new stand (s) at BP , a new up to date training facility or even a new ground. Wether such an individual or group of individuals exists remains to be seen.

I know a local millionaire with links to the building trade and council, who’d love to leave a legacy and a new stadium. Ladies and gentleman I give you John Fen…..…. Oh

Quoted from rancido

Exactly! I never see it as an "investment" , where lower league teams are concerned, because that implies that they will get a return on their " investment" which is highly unlikely. Wasn't it Alan Sugar who said that he had a large fortune when he bought Spurs and after her sold the club he had a smaller fortune - and that's one of the " big six" clubs playing at the highest English level!

Alan Sugar’s investment in Spurs got him a seat at the table when Sky and ITV were battling it out for the Premier League tv rights.

Spurs were the only “big 5” club to vote for Sky ahead of ITV and Sugar subsequently convinced Sky to submit a much improved bid which was then accepted and led us to where we are today with Sky’s shaping of the game.

Guess which firm were manufacturing Sky’s satellite dishes at the time? That’s right, Amstrad owned by Alan Sugar!

A deeply corrupt and vile individual.

Quoted from ska face

Alan Sugar’s investment in Spurs got him a seat at the table when Sky and ITV were battling it out for the Premier League tv rights.

Spurs were the only “big 5” club to vote for Sky ahead of ITV and Sugar subsequently convinced Sky to submit a much improved bid which was then accepted and led us to where we are today with Sky’s shaping of the game.

Guess which firm were manufacturing Sky’s satellite dishes at the time? That’s right, Amstrad owned by Alan Sugar!

A deeply corrupt and vile individual.

As if.

Quoted from DB

As if.

“ ITV thought they were in the driving seat. Trevor East, then Dyke’s deputy and later to become head of Sky Sports, believed he and Parry had come to an understanding while watching Nigel Benn fight Hector Abel Lescano in December 1991. But Parry denied this had happened. By 18 May 1992, however, at the meeting where the Premier League were to select a TV partner, only one bid was up for voting on and that was Sky’s. What happened that day slipped into Premier League folklore almost immediately. East had arrived early at the Royal Lancaster Hotel with envelopes under his arm. A deadline for bids had been set for the previous midnight, but East chose to ignore it. He presented the clubs with a proposal that would yield £262m over five years for 30 live games a season. When Parry found out he immediately called Chisholm, who woke up Murdoch in New York, who authorised another bid.

Less effective, but certainly as dramatic, was the performance of Alan Sugar. Along with Terry Venables, Sugar had recently acquired control of Spurs. He also had a deal to manufacture Sky’s satellite dishes. With Venables suddenly called from the meeting, Sugar held Spurs’ once solid ITV vote in his hands. After seeing East’s revised bid he tore into the lobby of the hotel, got Chisholm on the phone and demanded he “get your fúcking ǎrse round here and blow them out of the water”. Dyke says: “We said: ‘Who are you speaking to?’ and he said: ‘I’m talking to my girlfriend!’” Parry recalls: “Sam was saying to him: ‘Get off the bloody phone, I’m trying to get this thing sorted!’”

Sky came back with a vastly improved deal worth £42m more over the five years than ITV were willing to pay. They would show 60 games a season and promised a return for Match of the Day, with the BBC paying for highlights. This was the deal that was put to Premier League clubs. It was passed 14 to 6.”

https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....mier-league-was-born

Amstrad was bankrupt until the sky deal was done.

The Amstrad CPC464 was a good computer though