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Should of been out of sight . Sutton were there for the taking . Our subs seemed late to me but that’s not why we drew .
The ref and the linesman …….. The Lino had a stinker and he knew it . He let the ref get in his head and he lost it . The off side he didn’t give was embarrassing beyond belief. The free kick he wanted to give us in the first half was equally embarrassing.  The penalty spot ? I don’t know but the ref needs to spot the foul at the very least .
But we should of been 3-0 by this point .

It’s a f*cking disgrace and I’m fuming. This could be decisive. I’ve watched the highlights several times. Zoomed in. There is no offence anywhere. None. Apparently the linesman sees one and the ref lets him give a penalty! It’s either total and abject incompetence or f**king cheating, and either way, it’s a total debacle.

The best evidence Sutton seem to be able to produce for the penalty is this still image showing the ball brushing Rose's arm (in a natural position), which is irrelevant anyway because IFAB guidance stipulates officials should NOT blow for a foul if you head the ball onto your own arm:



So basically if you ignore the blatant rugby tackle by their no.9 on Tharme, and completely disregard the current guidance on what constitutes a handball, then yeah sure it's a penalty. That linesman, what a complete dipshit.

It's quite clearly a case of the lino's ego being bashed having been overruled by the ref earlier in the match. Shocking stuff in a relegation match. All the focus in Artell's interview is about whether or not it was a handball but without having seen the incident back in full...is the real question not about why the ref's decision has been overruled? Whether it is or isn't a handball is irrelevant if there's a foul on a Town player. So unless I'm missing something, the lino has called the ref over and said that a) there was no foul and that the decision the ref initially blew for was incorrect and b) it was a handball.

I feel for the players here, as plenty are gonna be saying we should have been out of sight. And while that's perhaps a valid point...they're in a L2 relegation scrap and they've just gone about 270 mins without conceding a goal and have ran their absolute arses into the ground for the third match on the bounce, with back to back aways down in London. Yes, they didn't show the clinical edge you'd expect from a side higher up the table but they were about to win that match and without a shocking decision we're sat here with 7 points out of the last 9. We all feel robbed as fans but the players must be feeling that right now too as they've shown over the last three matches that they're bang up for a scrap so in my opinion deserve a lot of credit.

Great following that for the second time in a week felt bigger than the numbers due to sheer noise.

Hard to make any comment on the game because I’m that seething about the decision.

We looked better than we have in the past 3 games and fully deserved to win, a couple of better finishes/decisions and we win that at a canter. The gap has closed but I still firmly believe we’ll be absolutely fine and in plenty of time before the end of the season.

If you’d offered 5 points from the last 3 games last week you’d have gladly taken it, but it so desperately should’ve been 7.

Quoted from pontoonlew

Hard to make any comment on the game because I’m that seething about the decision.

We looked better than we have in the past 3 games and fully deserved to win, a couple of better finishes/decisions and we win that at a canter. The gap has closed but I still firmly believe we’ll be absolutely fine and in plenty of time before the end of the season.

If you’d offered 5 points from the last 3 games last week you’d have gladly taken it, but it so desperately should’ve been 7.

Yeah I’d of taken 5 points gladly .

Quoted from Chrisblor

The best evidence Sutton seem to be able to produce for the penalty is this still image showing the ball brushing Rose's arm (in a natural position), which is irrelevant anyway because IFAB guidance stipulates officials should NOT blow for a foul if you head the ball onto your own arm:

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So basically if you ignore the blatant rugby tackle by their no.9 on Tharme, and completely disregard the current guidance on what constitutes a handball, then yeah sure it's a penalty. That linesman, what a complete dipshit.

https://www.skysports.com/foot.....eague-two-highlights

As I posted on the match thread, Tharme had his arms all around their no.9 so both were fouling.

We can blame the ref and Lino all we want ( it was a disgrace of a decision to award the pen ) but that game should’ve been over way before that . We had pretty much all the game apart from a couple of scrambles in our box , and all the clear cut chances. Poor finishing cost us , end of .
Good performances from our back 3 , looked confident all game and a massive improvement on the last 15 games playing this formation.
Midfield.. not sure of any of them . We know what we get from green. Always 💯 effort. Holahan ,, ok game but some pretty poor set pieces. New man Thompson … jury’s out on him . Could be an asset with better players around him but with what we’ve got not really for me . Looked pretty average if I’m honest.
The big plus point for me was Obikwo who looked a player today and was a constant threat to the Sutton defence. Looked more confident in what he was doing , whether he was looking to get in behind or play a ball through. Would be happy for him to come on loan next season. We were less of a threat once he went off .
All in all 2 important points dropped which is a shame in our current plight . Think we’ll scrape safety but it’ll need a few more positive results and not losing to Colchester.
At least I’m not slagging DA off tonight. Not his fault today.

And have to add all the players ran their hearts out so massive credit to them today

Quoted from arryarryarry

https://www.skysports.com/foot.....eague-two-highlights

As I posted on the match thread, Tharme had his arms all around their no.9 so both were fouling.

Tharme has his hand on the Sutton number 9's back. He does not at any point grab him around the waist and attempt to maneuver him:



If both players have their hands on each other and then one of them throws the other to the ground it's the one who has thrown a player to the ground who has committed a foul.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

And have to add all the players ran their hearts out so massive credit to them today

Indeed game for me on par with Wimbledon game
They had 3/ 4 big players with their No9 should have been at Twickenham

Quoted from Chrisblor

Tharme has his hand on the Sutton number 9's back. He does not at any point grab him around the waist and attempt to maneuver him:



If both players have their hands on each other and then one of them throws the other to the ground it's the one who has thrown a player to the ground who has committed a foul.

We are the ones in red by the way. Tharme is in front of the no.9 but has his arm round his back so how did it get there if he didn't put his arm around him, it also looks like he is trying to get his other arm around his neck. This sort of fouling goes on in every game and refs rarely give a foul if both players are holding onto each other.

Ref and Lino. Should be banned for life bringing  the game in to disrepute absolutely shocking penalty award  

TBF to the ref I didn’t think he did too bad a job . It’s a difficult task reffing a game in L2 when two teams are scrapping for their lives and kicking / smashing each other . However when you think that he over ruled the Lino for a free kick decision and then allowed himself to be coerced into a penalty decision and then in the final minutes let a blatant smash into Clifton ( I think ) and then blew final whistle when both on the deck you can’t really defend him .

Tharme was thrown to the ground going over the No. 9's leg. Like something from a Jackie Chan movie, let alone a football pitch. A pathetic piece of refereeing to somehow miss that when he was less than 10 yards from the incident and absolutely nobody in his eyerline to block his view. Got to take your chances but a dodgy penalty when your player is blatantly fouled is even more galling. I hope there was a referee's assessor there taking notes on the performances of the officials.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

TBF to the ref I didn’t think he did too bad a job . It’s a difficult task reffing a game in L2 when two teams are scrapping for their lives and kicking / smashing each other . However when you think that he over ruled the Lino for a free kick decision and then allowed himself to be coerced into a penalty decision and then in the final minutes let a blatant smash into Clifton ( I think ) and then blew final whistle when both on the deck you can’t really defend him .

I qualified as a ref in egg chasing and the principal is the same, you give what you see. I’m not convinced the ref today knew enough about the pro game & rules & thus he failed to do that.

I am not normally a member of the tin-foil-hat brigade, but goodness me that linesman was genuinely awful.  I've never seen a ref and a lino be so "in each other's face".  Weird.

Have to say, was some top quality "sushhing" from their player after he scored -

But why why why do fans (grown men) lose their mind so much that they want to try and climb over the fence and act like 11 year olds in a playground fight?  That was embarrasing at the end -

Red tick all you like, but there are middle-aged men acting like total retards in the stands.  At what point do people think that is even remotely in the boundaries of adult behaviour?  Pathetic.  Got to call this out when it happens.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I qualified as a ref in egg chasing and the principal is the same, you give what you see. I’m not convinced the ref today knew enough about the pro game & rules & thus he failed to do that.

Not totally disagreeing with you but if he’s got onto the league list he must have been assessed through the levels to gained the standard required to have become an EFL ref. He had a lot to deal with today in terms of physicality from both sides . I think he started to lose control after the penalty decision which he probably knew he’d messed up and just decided not to give another difficult decision and blew the final whistle.
He’s probably sitting at home mulling over his afternoon’s work with a glass of red thinking I’m going to be doing non league next season

If he hadn't blown for offside it could have been even worse

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Not totally disagreeing with you but if he’s got onto the league list he must have been assessed through the levels to gained the standard required to have become an EFL ref. He had a lot to deal with today in terms of physicality from both sides . I think he started to lose control after the penalty decision which he probably knew he’d messed up and just decided not to give another difficult decision and blew the final whistle.
He’s probably sitting at home mulling over his afternoon’s work with a glass of red thinking I’m going to be doing non league next season

I think that’s a dead balanced view, good post 👍

Maybe he was a bit to focused on the “needs of his team” rather than officiating the game.

Tough job for the ref.....   and I have to say despite Town being the best team that was some really dire football.  

Sutton really are one of the worst teams I've seen in years.

apparently the lineo refused to shake the ref's hand at half time, having been overruled in the 1st half. Knowing that, there's no way the ref was going to overrule him for a second time when he flags for (?) handball.

Apart from that I thought they were poor and after missing those chances in the second half our group agree that it could well come back and bite us on the bum as it was obvious they would pile forward and create at least 1 good chance.
Thought the whole team put in a real shift, and unlike Tuesday didn't tire and were much better with their passing. 3 in defence were no nonsense solid and I thought the midfield were excellent. Clifton was all effort and his passing was much improved. green did Green what Green does (and did it well) , plus he actually made some decent passes. Holohan had 1 of his (too rare) good days, his crosses were superb, whipped in with pace and bend. I like the look of Hume - suspect he's this season's Emmanuel and will be gracing League 1 next season
I really don't unerstand the criticism of Thompson; he's a lesser version of Stacey Coldicott , and exactly what we need. He's got a lot of fight, bundles of nous and a fair amount of skill. He plugs the gaps and anticipates where problems are coming. Rose was his usual 9 out of 10 an Obikwu started to shine once he'd flicked in his goal.Shame he got injured, especially as Wilson was surprisingly ineffective as his replacement.

Those 2 points dropped could be very costly in 3-4 weeks time with our run of v. difficult games and FGR hitting a bit of form.

An battling, awful 0-0 on Tuesday would not be unwelcome!

PS Wonder if Tharme might end up being skipper next season - he's another of the type of player we've been missing

Just got back myself. Anyone else stuffed by the trains out of King’s Cross?

I thought we were much the.better team. Their keeper was clearly motm for them which says it all. Truly dire decision that cost us two points. At best it's a complete guess that it's a penalty. A really bizarre officiating performance all round.

Two difficult games to come but I fancy us to pick up points in them. Amazing what a difference a week makes as at 2pm last Saturday I was struggling to see us winning a game ever again.

Very good post match interview by Artell (Radio humberside one). Obviously fuming with the decision but measured as well and makes the very sensible point regarding amateur ref's in the football league. Plus my favourite Artell quote so far: 'the linesman must have the genetics of an owl'.

Quoted from HarrogateMariner

Very good post match interview by Artell (Radio humberside one). Obviously fuming with the decision but measured as well and makes the very sensible point regarding amateur ref's in the football league. Plus my favourite Artell quote so far: 'the linesman must have the genetics of an owl'.

I liked the club interview where he said that the linesman would go back to being a milkman or a teacher on Monday and then return next Saturday to pretend to be a linesman again.

The interview was good, but I think he will get charged for his comments and potentially serve a touchline ban.

Yeah I didn;t like his comments about milkmen and teacher.  Lacked class.  I understand his frustration but that was out of order... I hope he apologizes for that at some point.

The ref / lino situation is a tough one because the game needs them and needs good ones, but then I was looking at the amount of bile and pure hatred from the fans 3 yards away from them thinking "who the hell would put up with this each weekend?"

The greater the frothing hate, the least likely to get decent refs.

No idea what the answer is, apart from not being a frothing, rabid fan.

A missed opportunity today. Given the remaining fixtures, especially over the next three weeks, it's difficult to see where wins will come from.
Hopefully we'll continue to be draw specialists and that will be enough

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Yeah I didn;t like his comments about milkmen and teacher.  Lacked class.  I understand his frustration but that was out of order... I hope he apologizes for that at some point.

The ref / lino situation is a tough one because the game needs them and needs good ones, but then I was looking at the amount of bile and pure hatred from the fans 3 yards away from them thinking "who the hell would put up with this each weekend?"

The greater the frothing hate, the least likely to get decent refs.

No idea what the answer is, apart from not being a frothing, rabid fan.

That's all well and good but those fans paid money to be there, whereas that lino was paid money to be there and do a job, and yet he was the one spitting his dummy and refusing to shake the hands of a work colleague just because he spotted an error of his. Something he is also paid to do. And because of that he has made something up in order to be a 'intercourse you' at said colleague.

Can't really complain when he gets complaints from said customers then can he

Quoted from toontown

That's all well and good but those fans paid money to be there, whereas that lino was paid money to be there and do a job, and yet he was the one spitting his dummy and refusing to shake the hands of a work colleague just because he spotted an error of his. Something he is also paid to do. And because of that he has made something up in order to be a 'intercourse you' at said colleague.

Can't really complain when he gets complaints from said customers then can he

You may pay money to go to a restaurant and eat a meal but it doesn't meal that if the waiter dropped a plate or the food was poor that you would stand on the table and start shouting at the person.

I believe today's referee is fairly new to the EFL referees list - up until December 2023 he was refereeing at a high level in the USA MLS League.

I thought he got most decisions right but agree with other posters that the incident where he put the lino in his place for flagging incorrectly for a foul was bizarre

Perhaps that is something of an American trait ? Certainly the lino appeared to lose confidence when flagging decisions. He appeared to just follow the referees decisions, until the penalty incident.

The officials should work as a team and I think the ref lost this.

Quoted from Yossarian

Yeah I didn;t like his comments about milkmen and teacher.  Lacked class.  I understand his frustration but that was out of order... I hope he apologizes for that at some point.

The ref / lino situation is a tough one because the game needs them and needs good ones, but then I was looking at the amount of bile and pure hatred from the fans 3 yards away from them thinking "who the hell would put up with this each weekend?"

The greater the frothing hate, the least likely to get decent refs.

No idea what the answer is, apart from not being a frothing, rabid fan.

I’m a teacher and i wish I was a milkman .. and don’t care ..

Quoted from Yossarian

You may pay money to go to a restaurant and eat a meal but it doesn't meal that if the waiter dropped a plate or the food was poor that you would stand on the table and start shouting at the person.

I don't think they have reached refereeing at EFL level and believe that the money they receive is in return for expecting to be treated like they work in a restaurant to be honest. I am sure they have been to football matches before today! Although perhaps not given the quality of officiating.

They are human, theyve made mistakes from errors of judgment but that has been compounded massively from a clash of egos.

Suddenly expecting a football crowd of a league 2 relegation battle to magically transform into a middle class tennis crowd that shushes when told by the officials is not realistic though I am afraid. If the officials had been physically hurt I'd totally support you in saying that was out of order and the perpetrators should be banned. But given the way the lino and ref have lost control of their emotions whilst being paid to officiate and have come up with that catastrofuck of a display they would have to be the last to complain of paying fans berating them when they in turn get emotional!

Quoted from Yossarian

Yeah I didn;t like his comments about milkmen and teacher.  Lacked class.  I understand his frustration but that was out of order... I hope he apologizes for that at some point.

He wasn't saying anything disrespectful, he even said it wasn't just milkmen. The point is that the officials aren't professional.

Mon-Fri they're exhausted, either or both mentally and physically and then taking charge of professional matches. It doesn't matter how good or bad you are, your limiting your ability to perform in those circumstances.

The professional officials don't go into their games with the worries of their day job on their mind and they're at optimum performance because they've spent all week training and preparing for the fixture.

Artell is absolutely spot on with his comments. The amount of money sloshing round in the game and we can't find a way to filter a tiny bit of it down so we get professional officials is embarrassing.

Quoted from Yossarian

You may pay money to go to a restaurant and eat a meal but it doesn't meal that if the waiter dropped a plate or the food was poor that you would stand on the table and start shouting at the person

Alrite Ghandi, you’ve made your point. Everyone in silence next week please.  

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I am not normally a member of the tin-foil-hat brigade, but goodness me that linesman was genuinely awful.  I've never seen a ref and a lino be so "in each other's face".  Weird.

Have to say, was some top quality "sushhing" from their player after he scored -

But why why why do fans (grown men) lose their mind so much that they want to try and climb over the fence and act like 11 year olds in a playground fight?  That was embarrasing at the end -

Red tick all you like, but there are middle-aged men acting like total retards in the stands.  At what point do people think that is even remotely in the boundaries of adult behaviour?  Pathetic.  Got to call this out when it happens.

What an absolute belter you are, enjoy your beetroot this morning

I have to say before he let his linesman make a game changing decision I thought the ref did well overall. The fact he’s missed the foul on Tharne then allowed himself to be influenced by an already bizarrely behaved linesman undoes all of that though.

Quoted from pontoonlew

I have to say before he let his linesman make a game changing decision I thought the ref did well overall. The fact he’s missed the foul on Tharne then allowed himself to be influenced by an already bizarrely behaved linesman undoes all of that though.

I have to say and I'm by no means a member of the PC brigade that imo the best linespeople over the last 2 or 3 seasons that I have seen have been the female one's they actually seem more competent than their male counterparts.

Christ, imagine being on his milk round and not tipping him at Xmas, you'd never get your milk delivered again.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Not totally disagreeing with you but if he’s got onto the league list he must have been assessed through the levels to gained the standard required to have become an EFL ref. He had a lot to deal with today in terms of physicality from both sides . I think he started to lose control after the penalty decision which he probably knew he’d messed up and just decided not to give another difficult decision and blew the final whistle.
He’s probably sitting at home mulling over his afternoon’s work with a glass of red thinking I’m going to be doing non league next season

He was reffing in the USA before Christmas.  Hardly been "assessed through the levels" and doubtful he's up to EFL standrad (as low as that is!)  A couple of seasons reffing at Scunny's standard before inflicting him on the rough and tumble of L2.  Clearly the lino felt something similar!

I wasn’t aware of this ^^ . Does seem that experience in the man management of reffing does need some work. Overruling a Lino’s decision when the Lino was in a better position is something he most likely wouldn’t do again. I can understand the Lino’s frustration but that shouldn’t culminate in a personal disagreement leading to a really poor decision being made . I’d hope the assessor in the ground will be submitting a highly critical report of this .

Rather than be negative about 2 points dropped I personally thought the performance was superb. Even more so given that they’d allowed stampeding wildebeest have a holiday on the pitch. Still baffled by the decision to award the penalty but, I don’t want that to detract from what was a good all round performance by players, management and fans.

The back 3 seemed to have more confidence. But,  can’t think of one player that had a bad game and I’d imagine they feel as gutted as everyone else this morning. 5 points in a week am sure many would’ve been pleased with and the confidence starting to emerge is great to see.

Lastly, how great was it to see obikwu grab his first professional goal of his career.

Bring on the Franchise Bast@rds on Tuesday

Quoted from Yossarian

Yeah I didn;t like his comments about milkmen and teacher.  Lacked class.  I understand his frustration but that was out of order... I hope he apologizes for that at some point.

The ref / lino situation is a tough one because the game needs them and needs good ones, but then I was looking at the amount of bile and pure hatred from the fans 3 yards away from them thinking "who the hell would put up with this each weekend?"

The greater the frothing hate, the least likely to get decent refs.

No idea what the answer is, apart from not being a frothing, rabid fan.

To be fair, and I say this as not a huge Artell fan, I think he was just making the point about them not being professional when it comes to the footballing world. It wasn’t meant as a slight on the other professions.

Equally, if you’re a professional referee you can’t just turn up on a random morning to deliver milk and expect to do as good a job at doing it as a milkman of 30 years.

Just a note on the subject of refs.
At our level we really are in a excrement sandwich, this is mainly driven by the madness of VAR. That they have decided to have 3 additional active refs sat looking at monitors in a studio mean the pull upwards on the chain has been that bit harder. Refs have to be pushed up to fill the gap they leave and as such it’s clear that some aren’t ready, some might never be ready, but they miss much of the learning they get at lower level pro games such as Scunny and are expected to slot into a volatile EFL battle. It’s gonna fail on occasion as it did yesterday, where even if the ball did hit Rose’s arm, it was not handball under current ruling as it rolled off his head first.
So once again VAR is making footy that bit shitter.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

I wasn’t aware of this ^^ . Does seem that experience in the man management of reffing does need some work. Overruling a Lino’s decision when the Lino was in a better position is something he most likely wouldn’t do again. I can understand the Lino’s frustration but that shouldn’t culminate in a personal disagreement leading to a really poor decision being made . I’d hope the assessor in the ground will be submitting a highly critical report of this .

The ref was correct to overrule him. It wasnt a foul. Linos got the hump and behaved like a petulant little twit.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Just a note on the subject of refs.
At our level we really are in a excrement sandwich, this is mainly driven by the madness of VAR. That they have decided to have 3 additional active refs sat looking at monitors in a studio mean the pull upwards on the chain has been that bit harder. Refs have to be pushed up to fill the gap they leave and as such it’s clear that some aren’t ready, some might never be ready, but they miss much of the learning they get at lower level pro games such as Scunny and are expected to slot into a volatile EFL battle. It’s gonna fail on occasion as it did yesterday, where even if the ball did hit Rose’s arm, it was not handball under current ruling as it rolled off his head first.
So once again VAR is making footy that bit shitter.

They also insist on having a top level ref as the 4th official, a job that in reality could be done by someone less qualified .

Five pages of bleating about the ref and the linesman .Yes it was a crap decision but hardly on a par with Marylin Monroes paid for hit on JFK in the conspiracy theory stakes.
Refs can’t get it right sat in a Var studio with endless replays.
It all balances out over the season
What I saw was two poor teams of which we were marginally the better slugging it out in something that rarely reflected the beautiful game .
We are a team which has tightened up considerably but has lost the ability to take chances and without Roses goals we would be stuffed particularly as Eisa doesn’t fit into this new style of play
Just get to the end of the season do enough to stay up and start again.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Five pages of bleating about the ref and the li seaman . Yes it was a crap decision by hardly on a par with Marlynn Monroes paid for hit on JFK in the conspiracy theory stakes.

I think that VA R might say that she died a year before him.  

Quoted from HerveJosse

Five pages of bleating about the ref and the li seaman . Yes it was a crap decision by hardly on a par with Marlynn Monroes paid for hit on JFK in the conspiracy theory stakes.
Refs can’t get it right sat in a Var studio with endless replays.
It all balances out over the season
What I saw was two poor teams of which we were marginally the better slugging it out in something that rarely reflects the beautiful game .
We are team which has tightened up considerably but has  lost the ability to take chances and without Roses goals we would be stuffed particularly as Eisa doesn’t fit into this new style of play
Just get to the end of the season do enough to stay up and start again.

Such a breath of fresh air on a Sunday morning

Yes, it was a dreadful decision and yes, refereeing at this level is, being polite, inconsistent. But so many decisions over the years are debatable with or without television replays or VAR. Depending on your opinion, Havertz shouldn't have been on the pitch to score the winner last night, Liverpool shouldn't have had possession last weekend and so on..

Point is that we should have put the game to bed, didn't, and these are the consequences. 5 points this week was a good return - 2 more than FGR got and 4 more than Colchester. By the way, Sutton are rank and are heading back where they belong.

Quoted from arryarryarry

https://www.skysports.com/foot.....eague-two-highlights

As I posted on the match thread, Tharme had his arms all around their no.9 so both were fouling.

So you are saying, that it was a foul one way or another which clearly occurred before the (not) handball and the referee therefore had a decision to make - a penalty to them or a FK to us, and as Tondeur always says "In those situations the ref always awards the free kick."

It doesn't matter who fouled whom, your version of events erases the penalty decison of the lino.

Quoted from Yossarian

You may pay money to go to a restaurant and eat a meal but it doesn't meal that if the waiter dropped a plate or the food was poor that you would stand on the table and start shouting at the person.

If a waiter makes an innocent mistake and drops a customer’s food, then you’re right, he doesn’t deserve to be shouted at. If on the other hand he deliberately throws your food on the floor because of an earlier complaint that your starter was cold, then maybe he gets what he deserves.

Quoted from Yossarian

You may pay money to go to a restaurant and eat a meal but it doesn't meal that if the waiter dropped a plate or the food was poor that you would stand on the table and start shouting at the person.

Bizarre analogy - you must have been drinking to come up with that nonsense

Zmariner - indeed I was and you are probably right.

Fair enough
I am still sour about that decision

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Rather than be negative about 2 points dropped I personally thought the performance was superb. Even more so given that they’d allowed stampeding wildebeest have a holiday on the pitch. Still baffled by the decision to award the penalty but, I don’t want that to detract from what was a good all round performance by players, management and fans.

The back 3 seemed to have more confidence. But, can’t think of one player that had a bad game and I’d imagine they feel as gutted as everyone else this morning. 5 points in a week am sure many would’ve been pleased with and the confidence starting to emerge is great to see.

Lastly, how great was it to see obikwu grab his first professional goal of his career.

Bring on the Franchise Bast@rds on Tuesday

Broadly agree with this, especially regarding Obikwu who, apart from scoring, was a real handful for their defenders. What might not be appreciated by some is that looking at their league performances in 2024, they have not lost any game by more than one goal and in 2024 have also drawn 5 games including Mansfield, Barrow and Walsall and beaten Notts County.

To concede in the bizarre circumstances we did should not take away from our overall good performance and finally, I hope I don’t ever need to go back there again.

So .... the referee saw nothing from 5 yards away, whilst the lino saw something through a melee of players from 50 yards away, and he was so eagle-eyed that he missed a blatant offside 2 minutes later?  I hadn't realised it was in the melee until I saw one of our fans vlog where it became obvious that the bloke raised his flag immediately the ball ping-ponged around in the goalmouth.

Quoted from JK47

So .... the referee saw nothing from 5 yards away, whilst the lino saw something through a melee of players from 50 yards away, and he was so eagle-eyed that he missed a blatant offside 2 minutes later?  I hadn't realised it was in the melee until I saw one of our fans vlog where it became obvious that the bloke raised his flag immediately the ball ping-ponged around in the goalmouth.

The linesman flagged earlier for a foul, the ref verbally belated him for diong so, but had no option but to give it. The ref obviously didn't want the linesman to flag a foul again, but he did and the ref again had a go at him, and did not give the free kick. So this was the linesman getting his own back onthe ref by flagging a penalty. I was obvious that the ref did not want to give it, but the linesman stood firm giving the ref no option. The linesman refused to shake the refs hand at the end of the game.

Would love to read the assesors report.


P.S. we where sat right in the corner and saw everything.

The club need to submit a statement to the EFL and ask them to make some sort of judgement on the pair. It won’t change the outcome or the result so no real point getting our knickers in a twist any longer, but this kind of ludicrous, egotistical power struggle officiating is unprofessional, incompetent and could potentially be pivotal to outcomes for lots of people. It might mean jack in the end, but you can’t have this. Some ego trip back and forth tussle between officials. Pathetic and disgraceful and shouldn’t be allowed to recur.

Quoted from Yossarian

You may pay money to go to a restaurant and eat a meal but it doesn't meal that if the waiter dropped a plate or the food was poor that you would stand on the table and start shouting at the person.

You would get your meal replaced so what’s the point of kicking off . We won’t get our 2 points back that they stole

I'll bet the ref wishes he was back in the Yoo Ess reffing games at LA Galaxy and DC United again. Not as glamorous a tie as Sutton United vs GTFC, naturally, but closer to home.

Perhaps he got his sports mixed up and mistakenly thought that corner was a scrimmage?

Does anybody have a link to the DA interview post match?

It's ok , found it.
He's right in what he says about part-time officials who are officiating a professional sport. Certainly not insulting to milkmen, teachers or plumbers and he clarifies that in the interview. Apparently there is a post going around in which the ref or lino allegedly rang DA and apologised about the decision.

Quoted from rancido

It's ok , found it.
He's right in what he says about part-time officials who are officiating a professional sport. Certainly not insulting to milkmen, teachers or plumbers and he clarifies that in the interview. Apparently there is a post going around in which the ref or lino allegedly rang DA and apologised about the decision.

head of refs Assoc rang him on Monday and club got a similar apologetic email.




I' rather have the 2 points