Just back......

A gutsy performance against a decent team.
Could of nicked it at the end.
They were the better side but we battled well and the team got a decent ovation at the end.
Lineman absolutely shocking all game.

I’ve been forcefully critical and vocal in castigating the manager and the appalling failure to address our inability to defend properly (especially at home), but I think a little credit is due for doing much better today. Sure, it’s basic stuff, and we’ve been right to expect better standards, but I felt it was a nailed on defeat if we didn’t do something about that today, but, despite losing half a dozen players to illness and injuries at the 11th hour, we’ve battled our way to a decent point with a hugely improved application and organisation performance . We could’ve won that game if the nailed on penalty for the foul on Rose had been given or Gav hadn’t missed the late sitter.

We started better, not only by not conceding pathetically, but by scoring and there was evidently a significant improvement in our application for 90 minutes, so I think it’s fair to say well done and be somewhat satisfied with the point.

Bigger picture - well the FGR result today has made things worse in terms of our prospects, so the imperative to beat them at home next week is even greater. I might feel Artell is wrong for us, but the staff and players deserve some credit today with several individuals raising their standards significantly. Decent result, much better performance, and the evident recalibration and renewal of the squad’s sense of competence and fight is a positive.

If one of our relegation rivals had drawn away at play off chasing Morecambe, we’d have said it was a decent point, and that’s what that is today. We’ve got to realise it’s not about how and when we get results now, or how many points clear we were last week compared to this, it’s all about after 46 games, and being that one point or even goal difference above 2 other teams that counts.

Credit where it’s due today, Artell has changed it about a bit and it got us a result. Although, I think he would say that was as far away from a David Artell style performance as you’ll get. Could’ve won it, should’ve lost it, huge game next week!

Listen I've been critical over the past few weeks and rightly so , But today they came away from a playoff chasing team with a point ( who by the way shows how excrement this league is ) because they ain't no way a promotion team  .

So we'll done the team the manager the fans who travelled but we have a long long way to go. Let's hope we can pick up some points now because we seriously need to but a good battling performance today from the lads.

Harry clifton looked really good in that wingback position

Today’s standards should’ve been on show long before now. If they had - we wouldn’t be in this mess. It’s taken weeks for us to show we can do basic things competently.
Now we’ve done it today, we need to hold this team and it’s manager to that. I’ve always said that Town fans will accept mixed results, and the odd stinking performance if they see spirit, organisation, competency etc, but I feel that sub par performances have become endemic, and, worse than that, there’ve been thousands of words obfuscating and denying and babbling to the opposite effect. If today represents a step forward and a raising of standards, then that must be solidified and shown as the default - principally at home- not a freak one off.

Waiting for the train back to civilisation.
A few things.
1. The fans will get behind the team given the slightest encouraging sign. The early goal absolutely transformed the atmosphere in the away end. It was a very good goal with a great cross in and clinical from Rose to finish.
2. Town were the better side throughout the first half BUT it was clear that some players were struggling before the hour mark. I think the subs came on about 70 minutes.
3. Cartwright got some of the blame for their goal but there was a lot of luck attached to it and our failing was almost certainly yet another failure to stop a cross coming in. He redeemed himself with a pair of very good saves to keep the score at 1-1.
4. The young lad from Coventry did well for his first start and grew in confidence as the game went on.
5. A chap behind me last week said Danny Rose shouldn't captain the side. Today he did everything (and more) you would expect from a captain- talking to the younger players, and leading by example all over the park. I dread to think where we'd be without his effort (and goals).
6. In my view the subs were a bit late. We had players dead on their feet after an hour.
A point is a point and it would have been three had Gav had the same amount of luck their lad did on their equaliser.

Quoted from barralad

Waiting for the train back to civilisation.
A few things.
1. The fans will get behind the team given the slightest encouraging sign. The early goal absolutely transformed the atmosphere in the away end. It was a very good goal with a great cross in and clinical from Rose to finish.
2. Town were the better side throughout the first half BUT it was clear that some players were struggling before the hour mark. I think the subs came on about 70 minutes.
3. Cartwright got some of the blame for their goal but there was a lot of luck attached to it and our failing was almost certainly yet another failure to stop a cross coming in. He redeemed himself with a pair of very good saves to keep the score at 1-1.
4. The young lad from Coventry did well for his first start and grew in confidence as the game went on.
5. A chap behind me last week said Danny Rose shouldn't captain the side. Today he did everything (and more) you would expect from a captain- talking to the younger players, and leading by example all over the park. I dread to think where we'd be without his effort (and goals).
6. In my view the subs were a bit late. We had players dead on their feet after an hour.
A point is a point and it would have been three had Gav had the same amount of luck their lad did on their equaliser.

Always enjoy and agree with your judgements Ian. Safe journey home mate.

Quoted from barralad

Waiting for the train back to civilisation.
A few things.
1. The fans will get behind the team given the slightest encouraging sign. The early goal absolutely transformed the atmosphere in the away end. It was a very good goal with a great cross in and clinical from Rose to finish.
2. Town were the better side throughout the first half BUT it was clear that some players were struggling before the hour mark. I think the subs came on about 70 minutes.
3. Cartwright got some of the blame for their goal but there was a lot of luck attached to it and our failing was almost certainly yet another failure to stop a cross coming in. He redeemed himself with a pair of very good saves to keep the score at 1-1.
4. The young lad from Coventry did well for his first start and grew in confidence as the game went on.
5. A chap behind me last week said Danny Rose shouldn't captain the side. Today he did everything (and more) you would expect from a captain- talking to the younger players, and leading by example all over the park. I dread to think where we'd be without his effort (and goals).
6. In my view the subs were a bit late. We had players dead on their feet after an hour.
A point is a point and it would have been three had Gav had the same amount of luck their lad did on their equaliser.

Therein lies the problem with idiots at football matches. Rose is probably the best example of a professional footballer we’ve had in 20 years .

Quoted from barralad

Waiting for the train back to civilisation.
A few things.
1. The fans will get behind the team given the slightest encouraging sign. The early goal absolutely transformed the atmosphere in the away end. It was a very good goal with a great cross in and clinical from Rose to finish.
2. Town were the better side throughout the first half BUT it was clear that some players were struggling before the hour mark. I think the subs came on about 70 minutes.
3. Cartwright got some of the blame for their goal but there was a lot of luck attached to it and our failing was almost certainly yet another failure to stop a cross coming in. He redeemed himself with a pair of very good saves to keep the score at 1-1.
4. The young lad from Coventry did well for his first start and grew in confidence as the game went on.
5. A chap behind me last week said Danny Rose shouldn't captain the side. Today he did everything (and more) you would expect from a captain- talking to the younger players, and leading by example all over the park. I dread to think where we'd be without his effort (and goals).
6. In my view the subs were a bit late. We had players dead on their feet after an hour.
A point is a point and it would have been three had Gav had the same amount of luck their lad did on their equaliser.

Spot on !!

Quoted from chaos33

I’ve been forcefully critical and vocal in castigating the manager and the appalling failure to address our inability to defend properly (especially at home), but I think a little credit is due for doing much better today. Sure, it’s basic stuff, and we’ve been right to expect better standards, but I felt it was a nailed on defeat if we didn’t do something about that today, but, despite losing half a dozen players to illness and injuries at the 11th hour, we’ve battled our way to a decent point with a hugely improved application and organisation performance . We could’ve won that game if the nailed on penalty for the foul on Rose had been given or Gav hadn’t missed the late sitter.

We started better, not only by not conceding pathetically, but by scoring and there was evidently a significant improvement in our application for 90 minutes, so I think it’s fair to say well done and be somewhat satisfied with the point.

Bigger picture - well the FGR result today has made things worse in terms of our prospects, so the imperative to beat them at home next week is even greater. I might feel Artell is wrong for us, but the staff and players deserve some credit today with several individuals raising their standards significantly. Decent result, much better performance, and the evident recalibration and renewal of the squad’s sense of competence and fight is a positive.

Agreed. Some decent players in the Morecambe team. Hope can pinch some of them for ourselves

Fair play to Artell, the rest of the management team and the players.

Decent performance at a good side. One point more than most of us expected.

Huge game on Sat.

ps. this is a very bland post. I might as well have just AI’d it. Very bland, very boring. I’ve got nothing else to say on the matter though. Yep.

Quoted from It Bites

Therein lies the problem with idiots at football matches. Rose is probably the best example of a professional footballer we’ve had in 20 years .

Bloody hell thats a bit far. I like rosey but come on….. Craig Disley for one

Quoted from Hagrid

Bloody hell thats a bit far. I like rosey but come on….. Craig Disley for one

I love Dis but almost all of his time with us was in non league.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I love Dis but almost all of his time with us was in non league.

Matters not, he was the ultimate professional

Today felt like the penny had finally dropped that our predicament demands a different approach. I don’t know how much the player availability issues had to do with the formation and approach to the game, but let’s hope we can build on this and that it’s not too late to turn things around.

It wasn’t pretty to watch, but we ground out a decent point that might have been three. I thought Obikwu made a nuisance of himself and grew into the game. Harry had a decent game and Rose was his usual excellent self. But I also want to mention Toby Mullarkey, previously written off, but had a solid game with one superb first half tackle to prevent a clear run on goal.

Sad state of affairs, a point at Morecambe is something to celebrate.  They are average at best.  I’m sorry but there is no way we will stay up. I’m absolutely gutted what has happened to us this season. Can’t believe how bad we are. We are clueless, plain and simple. We have massively gone backwards under Artell.  Can’t believe what I’m reading on this thread….

Here is a debating point. How much credit can Artell take for the improved performance, given it seems pretty obvious that the change was forced upon him by the players n the powers that be ?

Quoted from wiggers

Sad state of affairs, a point at Morecambe is something to celebrate.  They are average at best.  I’m sorry but there is no way we will stay up. I’m absolutely gutted what has happened to us this season. Can’t believe how bad we are. We are clueless, plain and simple. We have massively gone backwards under Artell.  Can’t believe what I’m reading on this thread….

This is the 'Just Back' thread. Which stand were you in?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I love Dis but almost all of his time with us was in non league.

They both have beautiful teeth

Thrice a day brushers

Danny’s may be augmented (allegedly)

Quoted from Croxton

This is the 'Just Back' thread. Which stand were you in?

Watched it on ifollow pal, is that ok?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I love Dis but almost all of his time with us was in non league.

I believe he was 30 when he signed for us. With a successful and long career in the EFL behind him. An absolute great bloke, gave his absolute all for us absolutely all of the time. He scored lots of important goals for us, did the defensive stuff many don't recognise off the ball and led by example. Also, I serve fish to his mum and dad and they are good people ha.

Quoted from Hagrid

Bloody hell thats a bit far. I like rosey but come on….. Craig Disley for one

Read it again …..probably? That’s why social media is a cess pit because some people read what they want to see

Quoted from wiggers

Watched it on ifollow pal, is that ok?

And yet you think that 'no way' will we stay up even with 42 points to play for? In the context of illnesses and a car crash leaving two players with whiplash I thought the squad battled well. It will be a close run thing I grant you but you were wanting to express your despair even before reaching for your firestick or whatever. More fool me for driving to places like Accrington and Morecambe to add vital away support.

I am still unimpressed with Artell but I believe we can just survive if we keep supporting the players.

I'm sure you'll be at BP next week though.

Quoted from It Bites

Read it again …..probably? That’s why social media is a cess pit because some people read what they want to see

I read it. And I’m offering an alternative.

Quoted from Croxton

And yet you think that 'no way' will we stay up even with 42 points to play for? In the context of illnesses and a car crash leaving two players with whiplash I thought the squad battled well. It will be a close run thing I grant you but you were wanting to express your despair even before reaching for your firestick or whatever. More fool me for driving to places like Accrington and Morecambe to add vital away support.

I am still unimpressed with Artell but I believe we can just survive if we keep supporting the players.

I'm sure you'll be at BP next week though.

Some people can’t get to games.

I don’t believe we’ll stay up, those like yourself who go H&A away will end up short changed again.

Quoted from Hagrid

Matters not, he was the ultimate professional

Agree.

We’ve had some great pros that haven’t been great players, they’re two different things.

Very Hurst like performance.

Quoted from wiggers

Sad state of affairs, a point at Morecambe is something to celebrate. .

Well yeah, nice one, but the fact is they’ve been in league one the last few seasons and we’ve been in non league. Also, they’re doing loads better than us this season.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Some people can’t get to games.

I don’t believe we’ll stay up, those like yourself who go H&A away will end up short changed again.

I understand that very well. For many years I was too busy working, raising kids and paying a mortgage to have much disposable income. The very fact that being relegated could be terminal for Town as an EFL team means that every sinew must be strained by players, staff and supporters THIS season.

I just find mourning at the bedside and yelling for morphine when there is still a strong heartbeat somewhat defeatist. Wiggy has gone full Dignitas.

Quoted from Croxton

I understand that very well. For many years I was too busy working, raising kids and paying a mortgage to have much disposable income. The very fact that being relegated could be terminal for Town as an EFL team means that every sinew must be strained by players, staff and supporters THIS season.

I just find mourning at the bedside and yelling for morphine when there is still a strong heartbeat somewhat defeatist. Wiggy has gone full Dignitas.

Get it, let’s see 🤞

No need to make it a competition. Dis was a true Mariner and great pro - high standards and full commitment all the time. No dips, no exceptions, no excuses. Captain and leader.  Danny Rose is cut from the same cloth and I, for one, am extremely grateful to have him, especially as he sets the standard amongst inconsistent teammates. He leads by example and I’m extremely grateful for him this season. Lord knows we’d be bottom of the league and as good as gone without him. Love him.

Think the game shows how much a result can alter our perception, because I don't think it was too different from previous weeks, barring Morecambe' inability to finish. Before Holohan's chance, they missed two tap ins and we would have been 3-1 down, ruing another week were we'd shipped goals.

Not denying it was a gutsy performance and hopefully it gives them a bit of a confidence boost, but I can't help but feel that the football gods shone on us a little.

Quoted from Mariner93er

Think the game shows how much a result can alter our perception, because I don't think it was too different from previous weeks, barring Morecambe' inability to finish. Before Holohan's chance, they missed two tap ins and we would have been 3-1 down, ruing another week were we'd shipped goals.

Not denying it was a gutsy performance and hopefully it gives them a bit of a confidence boost, but I can't help but feel that the football gods shone on us a little.

Agree with that. Read a lot of people hoping this is the start of a turnaround (maybe even for Artell). To me it was only slightly better than the previous games. Sure, we had our chance to score another one. But Morecambe missed two sitters too. To me Morecambe played a really awful game, not any better than the 0-3 loss against walsall last weekend. That draw was hard fought but also gotta thank Morecambe for really playin down to our level. Next game needs to be better, much better.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

They both have beautiful teeth

Thrice a day brushers

Danny’s may be augmented (allegedly)

Don’t you mean augMINTed

Quoted from wiggers

Sad state of affairs, a point at Morecambe is something to celebrate.  They are average at best.  I’m sorry but there is no way we will stay up. I’m absolutely gutted what has happened to us this season. Can’t believe how bad we are. We are clueless, plain and simple. We have massively gone backwards under Artell.  Can’t believe what I’m reading on this thread….

Hang around pal, you might just get your wish.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

I believe he was 30 when he signed for us. With a successful and long career in the EFL behind him. An absolute great bloke, gave his absolute all for us absolutely all of the time. He scored lots of important goals for us, did the defensive stuff many don't recognise off the ball and led by example. Also, I serve fish to his mum and dad and they are good people ha.

Just to add another name into the pot...Danny Collins.

Sunday morning = Pot of tea run through the highlights, read match report  on Town website
Read comments / opinions on "Fishy" etc.
IMO an improved effort after last week .
I loved that back pass which would  have made a brilliant  goal but hey it shows  team awareness knowing where your "Oppo" is and having trust and  faith in him.
The "Goalie" improving slowly .
Looking forward to seeing them with my own eyes couple of games i can have a better realistic opinion plus watch a better performance to keep us up!
UTM

Quoted from The Caterham Mariner

Sunday morning = Pot of tea run through the highlights, read match report  on Town website
Read comments / opinions on "Fishy" etc.
IMO an improved effort after last week .
I loved that back pass which would  have made a brilliant  goal but hey it shows  team awareness knowing where your "Oppo" is and having trust and  faith in him.
The "Goalie" improving slowly .
Looking forward to seeing them with my own eyes couple of games i can have a better realistic opinion plus watch a better performance to keep us up!
UTM

Similar exercise for me this morning, I always feel a bit of a fraud posting on this thread if I’ve not actually been to the game & just benefited from use of a VPN (allegedly).

In no particular order

- Away support - excellent!!

- In previous weeks when it went to 1 - 1 we’d have gone on to concede more. So a bit more resilience.

- Really good Town goal

- Shape seemed to work would love to have seen Chas up there with Rose, fingers crossed it’s just a niggle. Artell needs to stick with it. Maybe a role for Arthur?

- All round we defended ok but just ok

- Clifton, never got the RWB idea but yesterday I was proved wrong, his energy made a lot of difference.

- Subs were 10 mins too late, at least.

- Young Harvey, feel for him a bit as he’s clearly got talent & made a couple of good saves, I just don’t think he’s ready.

- Confirmed what we know despite working hard Green is NL level and Jamie Andrews like Harvey just isn’t ready. Gav, great lad but I’d be disappointed if we stay up & he gets a new deal.

- Their goal, we turn an attacking position into an opposition goal, poor keeping but once again loads of town players in the box & no one alert enough to get close to the scorer.

- Ref and his “assistants” where sh1te but Artell needs to calm it on the touch line a bit.

- Would love to know what’s going on with Pyke & Wilson

My overall takeaway is that the players had a really good go but overall we lack so much quality & consistency that we have relegation written all over us.

If FGR has drawn or lost we’d have thought it was a good result yesterday, but like I say well done to the lads for having a go.

UTM!!

P.S. - Still think Artell will take us down as he inherited Hursts poor recruitment/squad and didn’t make his first job fixing the defence. Arrogance, self belief or just plain stupidity?

One of those games that could have gone either way, but we competed for every ball and had a number of counter attacks which were promising but turned to nothing. Thought the defensive performance and long throws of the new CB were good.

I had to smile at the shooting practice of Morecambe before the game . Inmost every shot was just inside the post and well struck. In the actual game they couldn’t hit a barn door.

The performance of the assistant referee on the main stand side was the most abysmal I have ever seen from a Lino.

A point gained and let’s hope we get some players back for FGR.

I’ve struggled to properly collect my thoughts on yesterday. Taken in isolation, it’s a decent point and an improved performance against a side with play-off hopes, and given the challenges going into the game, the manager and players deserve a modicum of credit.

But there’s no getting away from it, the broader situation and next week’s game became considerably more precarious. What was possibly a “must not lose” fixture is now unquestionably “must win”, and that’s not great given the shoddy state of our home form. The extremes of the next 6 days have the potential to see us 7 points clear of relegation with 2 games in hand, or 2 points adrift of safety and firmly in the relegation zone. The thought of the latter scenario makes me feel queasy.

I think you can actually make the argument that our forthcoming fixture is actually our biggest since the 2016 play-off final - against Forest Green no less. I’m not forgetting the 2022 play-off final or our previous relegation; I just don’t think we have the powers of recovery that we would have had / did have back then. It’s a huge, huge game, and not one I’m particularly looking forward to.

Played well and deserved a point against a side with some better players.
Where has Curtis gone?
Cup final on Saturday, cannot imagine Artell will survive defeat but he has learned some lessons and I respect this. That said had he done this 6 games ago we would have had more points.
Win and subject to midweek we could be 7 points clear with 2 games in hand, lose and we are in a terrible mess. utm

Played well and deserved a point against a side with some better players.
Where has Curtis gone?
Cup final on Saturday, cannot imagine Artell will survive defeat but he has learned some lessons and I respect this. That said had he done this 6 games ago we would have had more points.
Win and subject to midweek we could be 7 points clear with 2 games in hand, lose and we are in a terrible mess. utm

Quoted from Poojah

I’ve struggled to properly collect my thoughts on yesterday. Taken in isolation, it’s a decent point and an improved performance against a side with play-off hopes, and given the challenges going into the game, the manager and players deserve a modicum of credit.

But there’s no getting away from it, the broader situation and next week’s game became considerably more precarious. What was possibly a “must not lose” fixture is now unquestionably “must win”, and that’s not great given the shoddy state of our home form. The extremes of the next 6 days have the potential to see us 7 points clear of relegation with 2 games in hand, or 2 points adrift of safety and firmly in the relegation zone. The thought of the latter scenario makes me feel queasy.

I think you can actually make the argument that our forthcoming fixture is actually our biggest since the 2016 play-off final - against Forest Green no less. I’m not forgetting the 2022 play-off final or our previous relegation; I just don’t think we have the powers of recovery that we would have had / did have back then. It’s a huge, huge game, and not one I’m particularly looking forward to.

The reality is it may well fall somewhere in between , I can see FGR getting a draw on Tuesday and then it possibly being a draw on Saturday . Which would leave us 3 points clear , effectively 4 with the GD .

FGR will have played 35 games at this point next week , us 33 - 2 games in hand
I am citing the top end of 47 points for survival over the last 8 full season again .
FGR could have 28 points with 11 games remaining which would require them to hit 1.75PPG for those 11 to reach the magical 47 points ; top end play-off form .

We draw on Saturday ,we will have 31 points  with 13 games remaining . We would only require 1.25PPG to hit the magic 47 points ; lower mid table numbers over a season .

If we manage to beat FGR the landscape changes somewhat , we would have 33 points only 14 off that magic 47 points - and effectively would need a touch over 1PPG to hit that number from the last 13 games .

I still think it's 'must not lose ' against FGR  but that would be taking into account our PPG throughout the whole season and not this mad spell at home were we have been tanked so often since Xmas .

I have decided to revert to type and look at it more numerically and with rationale because let's face it we need some hope from somewhere .


We really need FGR to not win either of the next two games (stating the obvious ) . I see Sutton as gone , I can't see them picking up 2PPG from now until season end , title winning form to hit that 47 points .

Its been covered before, however, did the change in style come about due to injuries, or a DA change?
If the former, then we could go back to old ways and lose next Saturday. If DA has had a change of heart and we play same as yesterday, then we have a good chance as the players are comfortable with it. But pretty it will not be.
When we play FGR we can Stick or Twist which is dangerous as it splits the thinking, unlike FGR team who know 100% what they need to do, and that is to win at all costs. No split thing for them, and they have chalked up 2 wins and a draw out of 5 games, so have got some confidence back. Steve Cotterill, has managed 9 other teams so has some knowledge.
So I do hope that the changes are because DA changed his ideas, and Wrexham get some form back on Tuesday and give FGR a hard game and a thrashing.  UTM

Quoted from GrimPol

Its been covered before, however, did the change in style come about due to injuries, or a DA change?
If the former, then we could go back to old ways and lose next Saturday. If DA has had a change of heart and we play same as yesterday, then we have a good chance as the players are comfortable with it. But pretty it will not be.
When we play FGR we can Stick or Twist which is dangerous as it splits the thinking, unlike FGR team who know 100% what they need to do, and that is to win at all costs. No split thing for them, and they have chalked up 2 wins and a draw out of 5 games, so have got some confidence back. Steve Cotterill, has managed 9 other teams so has some knowledge.
So I do hope that the changes are because DA changed his ideas, and Wrexham get some form back on Tuesday and give FGR a hard game and a thrashing.  UTM

He said on RH the shape thing was a “bit of both”. Which I assume meant game plan & availability.

Quoted from Mappers

The reality is it may well fall somewhere in between , I can see FGR getting a draw on Tuesday and then it possibly being a draw on Saturday . Which would leave us 3 points clear , effectively 4 with the GD .

FGR will have played 35 games at this point next week , us 33 - 2 games in hand
I am citing the top end of 47 points for survival over the last 8 full season again .
FGR could have 28 points with 11 games remaining which would require them to hit 1.75PPG for those 11 to reach the magical 47 points ; top end play-off form .

We draw on Saturday ,we will have 31 points  with 13 games remaining . We would only require 1.25PPG to hit the magic 47 points ; lower mid table numbers over a season .

If we manage to beat FGR the landscape changes somewhat , we would have 33 points only 14 off that magic 47 points - and effectively would need a touch over 1PPG to hit that number from the last 13 games .

I still think it's 'must not lose ' against FGR  but that would be taking into account our PPG throughout the whole season and not this mad spell at home were we have been tanked so often since Xmas .

I have decided to revert to type and look at it more numerically and with rationale because let's face it we need some hope from somewhere .


We really need FGR to not win either of the next two games (stating the obvious ) . I see Sutton as gone , I can't see them picking up 2PPG from now until season end , title winning form to hit that 47 points .

Thing is though 47 points isn’t going to be needed to stay up this season. It could even be as low as 38/40..daft as that sounds. Agree re Sutton..they’re gone. It’s basically a 3 way fight for the other relegation spot. Us, FGR and Colchester.

Quoted from marinerjase

Thing is though 47 points isn’t going to be needed to stay up this season. It could even be as low as 38/40..daft as that sounds. Agree re Sutton..they’re gone. It’s basically a 3 way fight for the other relegation spot. Us, FGR and Colchester.

I suggested a few weeks back that it may end up a battle between us and Colchester. Forest Green have a better squad than the table suggests, and are starting to show that under Steve Cotterill.

Worryingly, both the veggies and Colchester have picked up 4 more points than us over the course of the last 6 games. As decent a point as yesterday’s was, we need to start regularly winning games if we’re to remain in the EFL. We’ve already completed 2 months of the 2024 League Two calendar without winning a single match.

Quoted from marinerjase

Thing is though 47 points isn’t going to be needed to stay up this season. It could even be as low as 38/40..daft as that sounds. Agree re Sutton..they’re gone. It’s basically a 3 way fight for the other relegation spot. Us, FGR and Colchester.

Yeah it won't ,i was just going by the  highest case scenario ,the average to survive over those 8 seasons was 42.5 points to.The lowest without deductions over those 8 seasons was 35 points , highest 47 .

I agree with Poojahs rather sombre summary.

I wouldn't be surprised if FGR are well clear of trouble before the end as they have the all important momentum, whereas we have suddenly realised we have got a fight on our hands and whether by accident or design have decided not to leave ourselves wide open, which will help a bit but all this could and should have been avoided. How a professional coaching team could come to the conclusion that we will continue to play the same way even though we were conceding goals for fun is a dereliction of duty. If we do go down I want all them all gone along with any data analyst who thought we were doing well cos we were unlucky to concede all those goals and equally unlucky that our shots never went in.

Football being football things might go for us this week, and it is not just us in the mire as Colchester are nearly as bad but I feel like I've been kicked in the guts that we have to go through this nightmare yet again. I thought it was really bad in the late 60's when we finished near the bottom of the 4th division once but now it seems such a regular occurrence.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

He said on RH the shape thing was a “bit of both”. Which I assume meant game plan & availability.

So his heart is not in it then. Doesn't bode well.

Our squad is so fragile mentally, I think dropping into the bottom 2 would be absolutely disastrous for us. My biggest fear about next week isn't about getting beat, it's about getting hammered as that would really erode that GD advantage we currently have over FGR.

Let's see how the table looks for Colchester, FGR and Sutton on Tuesday night. Hopefully results all go our way.

I can’t lie, I think we are in deep sh1t. I expect us to lose next Saturday, FGR to pick up and I have absolutely no confidence in Artell.

Quoted from chaos33

I can’t lie, I think we are in deep sh1t. I expect us to lose next Saturday, FGR to pick up and I have absolutely no confidence in Artell.

Yesterday, the approach and selection was "a bit of both" in terms of injuries and our situation. Next week we will have a better idea as to how much of that was due to our situation.

Quoted from GrimPol

So his heart is not in it then. Doesn't bode well.

I think there may have been a bit of player power in the change. Toby Mullarky pointedly referred to a clear the air meeting early last week. He was also very clear that playing on the right of back 3 is his preferred position.

We already know Harry is best wide or WB.

Players playing in their best positions - now there is a novelty.

Quoted from GrimPol

So his heart is not in it then. Doesn't bode well.

He’s possibly realised it’s a CV saver if it means we stay up. The blokes a tool.

Quoted from chaos33

I can’t lie, I think we are in deep sh1t. I expect us to lose next Saturday, FGR to pick up and I have absolutely no confidence in Artell.

Same, & generally I could be termed as a “happy clapper” but not this time.

As jamesgtfc says mentally we’re fragile, some of the players are fannies & also the recruitment (Rose & Conteh apart) has been poor.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Same, & generally I could be termed as a “happy clapper” but not this time.

As jamesgtfc says mentally we’re fragile, some of the players are fannies & also the recruitment (Rose & Conteh apart) has been poor.

But no way has it been league 2 relegation poor nor 21 conceded in 5 home games poor…

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

But no way has it been league 2 relegation poor nor 21 conceded in 5 home games poor…

The table might suggest otherwise….. but I think I get your meaning 🙂

As said, in isolation, it's a good point. But then so was the last away result, and what followed that was two home performances so bad it made me long for the return of Nicky Law. I am also not looking forward to Saturday.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I think there may have been a bit of player power in the change. Toby Mullarky pointedly referred to a clear the air meeting early last week. He was also very clear that playing on the right of back 3 is his preferred position.

We already know Harry is best wide or WB.

Players playing in their best positions - now there is a novelty.

More of a ‘speak your mind’ meeting. Home truths. Ironically.