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A football club isn't a business, not really. It is in that they have accounts and shareholders but normal businesses don't have fans. The closest thing is maybe a pop band, but even then people transfer their loyalty between bands and support many bands at once. Or cars, most people have just one at a time, but not many people swear allegiance to Mercedes for life!
The extraordinary thing is if you look at the league tables from 100 years ago it's largely the same names as you see today and even the big clubs then are largely biggish now. Nothing else is like it, even bands are usually soon forgotten when their founders either die or disband. Or sectors with long-standing firms like banks/car manufacturers/newpapers/fashion/luxury brands.
I think that was the point JS was trying to make. |
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Have GTFC (whose owners want to become a B Corp) tried to sell any players against their will? Nope.
The B Corp thing is partially about treating staff and customers fairly regardless of the industry. Why would one company behaving badly (as many do), mean that others in the same industry couldn't behave in a better manner? Just because we're trying to get B Corp status, doesn't mean that other football clubs have to do the same.
I wasnt necessarily talking about GTFC which was why I said the football industry. I dont know if we have ever sold a player against their will but we have certainly released a lot of players, whilst not illegal being the nature of the contracts and game it could be seen as somewhat unfair against the individuals concerned, hence my question. |
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Here we go with the Bash B Corps again, FFS, does it really matter?
Whos bashing? I was merely asking if it is relavent to the Football industry given that Jason states in his piece how unique it is compared to a "normal business". |
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I wasnt necessarily talking about GTFC which was why I said the football industry.
I dont know if we have ever sold a player against their will but we have certainly released a lot of players, whilst not illegal being the nature of the contracts and game it could be seen as somewhat unfair against the individuals concerned, hence my question.
What could potentially be deemed as unfair or unethical in settling on a pay-off which is less than what we contractually committed to. Football is a different industry though and ethical standards have to reflect those nuances. If word got around that we always settled in full, I dread to think how many tools would get downed each season. |
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Interesting to note that table from 100 years ago is mainly made up of Northern and Midlands teams with a sprinkling of London teams.
Compare that with today's Premier League table which is mainly Midlands and Southern team with the odd sprinkling of Northern teams.
Most likely down to the heavy industry in the North 100 years ago, now most of the money is all congregated in and around London.
Still, at least we have Boris's 'levelling up' campaign to even that out somewhat... oh wait!
There are 9 from the North & Midlands and 11 from London and the South now, not a bad split until you look at the map of clubs (see link below). They are concentrated in a line running from the South East to the North West. Bournemouth and Newcastle are literally the only outliers. Bournemouth are likely to get relegated within a year or two as well and probably replaced by an "axis" team. https://www.thefishy.co.uk/football-grounds.php?table=1The other English professional leagues cover a much wider area. |
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Bournemouth are likely to get relegated within a year or two as well and probably replaced by an "axis" team.
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Germany or Italy do you think? |
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There are 9 from the North & Midlands and 11 from London and the South now, not a bad split until you look at the map of clubs (see link below). They are concentrated in a line running from the South East to the North West. Bournemouth and Newcastle are literally the only outliers. Bournemouth are likely to get relegated within a year or two as well and probably replaced by an "axis" team. https://www.thefishy.co.uk/football-grounds.php?table=1The other English professional leagues cover a much wider area.
Follows the population density map very faithfully. Big clubs are based where lots of people live it seems. https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:2600/1*7PuOErZ1mOwPRURYEqkhOg.png |
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I wasnt necessarily talking about GTFC which was why I said the football industry.
I dont know if we have ever sold a player against their will but we have certainly released a lot of players, whilst not illegal being the nature of the contracts and game it could be seen as somewhat unfair against the individuals concerned, hence my question.
Yeah, but the thing is that you can only 'release' a player from their contract if they agree to it (and they only usually do this if they have a move lined up). If a player is under contract, you owe them the money stated in the contract and have to pay it by hook or by crook unless a settlement is agreed between both parties. Unethical behaviour could (and probably does) occur when unscrupulous agents are involved in alliance with unscrupulous owners, but footballers are generally well taken care of with the PFA helping out when required. |
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Does this mean that B Corp isnt particularly relevent or useful in the Football "industry"?
I ask because Jason talks about the practice of selling players against their will, and the transfer of contracts for fees, I would assume this goes against the grain of everything B Corp status stands for.
Probably because you don’t understand it. Or indeed anything. |
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