Who is head of recruitement.?

Why are most managers trying to play the Pep way, its works for him as he has the best players in the world to play that way.

If you look back at every game played in the Premiershit and the EFL for the last five years to see how many goals have been conceded from playing out from the back, compared to five years before. I bet they is a massive % increase on the number of goals conceded.

It depends on how quickly you play out from the back as to how successful you are.

I am all for utilising all the tools available to the manager, but I would rather have Neil Warnock over a team of data analyst.

However its the way the modern game has gone, I am a dinosaur living in a modern era, trying to adapt.

Var is killing football, before to long the game will be so clincal robots will be refreeing the game.

Are we in danger of settling on an easy and convenient topic to blame, when in reality it isn’t?

Against Walsall I’m not sure any of the goals we conceded are as a result of ‘playing out from the back’. Perhaps we may have lost possession however that isn’t unique to us what does seem to be thought is our inability to defend certain situations. Like Waterfall for the first goal - his pace has nothing to do with our style or for the second us not been able to get back goal side quick enough (midfield second goal on Saturday and also at Mansfield) are bigger issues.

I very much remember Shaun Pearsons words at the fans forum where, and I’m summarising here, he said the times they went long against FGR resulted in more entries into our box than when we kept possession.

Most teams these days like to keep possession of the ball and that has worked well since Artell has come in in my opinion. We’ve created more and looked threatening further forwards.

The obvious issue we have is defenders that for large parts can’t defend. Against Walsall we conceded; a goal through waterfall getting beaten, not clearing properly then not getting back quick enough for the second ball, carved open straight through the middle, a penalty, a corner and a goal on the break. Most of those you look at defenders and don’t say “should have got rid of it” or “stop fannying around with it” I’d argue you say “just defend properly”

We can say what we like I suppose, this is the way we’re going as are a lot of teams and I’m not against it and with decentish defenders there’s no reason it can’t work. Players have to make the right decisions at the right times though and I wonder if we have enough ‘clever’ players - a point I think DA has made.

I’ve lost count of the times I’ve seen people moan about going long, or having no identity. I’ve a lot of criticisms of the team this season however one I dont have anymore is about identity and plan - you can see what they’re trying to do we are just a few short from been able to do it. This window and the summer has to be to get more players in that can do that, especially defenders. Put two decent centre halves in this team and I’d argue it improves massively overnight..

Quoted from The Yard Dog

Why are most managers trying to play the Pep way, its works for him as he has the best players in the world to play that way.

If you look back at every game played in the Premiershit and the EFL for the last five years to see how many goals have been conceded from playing out from the back, compared to five years before. I bet they is a massive % increase on the number of goals conceded.

It depends on how quickly you play out from the back as to how successful you are.

I am all for utilising all the tools available to the manager, but I would rather have Neil Warnock over a team of data analyst.

However its the way the modern game has gone, I am a dinosaur living in a modern era, trying to adapt.

Var is killing football, before to long the game will be so clincal robots will be refreeing the game.

Case in point, Newcastle second goal.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

The frankly stupid idea of playing out from the back is really our only option at the moment, no matter how bad we are at it, because in the good old days where the keeper would hoof it up the pitch at every given opportunity, there were one of two players who could actually jump higher than their ankles to get a flick on to a mobile player up front, are long gone. Yes we have the mobile frontman but the "important" players in the middle of the pitch are incapable.

Newcastles 2nd goal ( Saturday FA cup match)  came from Sunderlands poor attempt at playing from the back. Its as if the players are "following orders" whatever the situation is and cannot make a decision to play safe and kick it into touch if need be.

Quoted from GrimPol

Newcastles 2nd goal ( Saturday FA cup match)  came from Sunderlands poor attempt at playing from the back. Its as if the players are "following orders" whatever the situation is and cannot make a decision to play safe and kick it into touch if need be.

We all want to see passing football but I’m not sure I find two defenders nervously stood either side of the keeper when we get a goal kick funny or annoying.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

We all want to see passing football but I’m not sure I find two defenders nervously stood either side of the keeper when we get a goal kick funny or annoying.

Which team in League 2 is a "master" of this system?  Or do we need to look at the Premier League to see it working as it should?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

We all want to see passing football but I’m not sure I find two defenders nervously stood either side of the keeper when we get a goal kick funny or annoying.

I don't recall a Buckley team doing this regularly. Back then, the ball had to leave the box admittedly, but I'm sure goal kicks were more often than not long and then we looked to play from there. I would be much more comfortable with a more no nonsense approach in our defensive third, and then look to play it about a bit more.

I have no problem with a short goal kick when it's on, but when it is almost always the chosen option, you become very vulnerable. At this level, pitches aren't carpets so the ball isn't as predictable as it is in the higher leagues.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I don't recall a Buckley team doing this regularly. Back then, the ball had to leave the box admittedly, but I'm sure goal kicks were more often than not long and then we looked to play from there. I would be much more comfortable with a more no nonsense approach in our defensive third, and then look to play it about a bit more.

I have no problem with a short goal kick when it's on, but when it is almost always the chosen option, you become very vulnerable. At this level, pitches aren't carpets so the ball isn't as predictable as it is in the higher leagues.

Agree mate, mixing it up a bit would be interesting rather than every goal kick being like an American football play.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

We all want to see passing football but I’m not sure I find two defenders nervously stood either side of the keeper when we get a goal kick funny or annoying.

I agree with that. The bigger point for me is that if you don’t have players who are decent at:

Controlling the ball
Passing
Moving quickly into space
Anticipating
Positioning themselves correctly
Being physically and athletically competent

Then playing out from the back is likely to add to your problems. In my opinion we’re not good at any of the above; that’s why we are in a mess and why we need better players.

Quoted from chaos33

I agree with that. The bigger point for me is that if you don’t have players who are decent at:

Controlling the ball
Passing
Moving quickly into space
Anticipating
Positioning themselves correctly
Being physically and athletically competent

Then playing out from the back is likely to add to your problems. In my opinion we’re not good at any of the above; that’s why we are in a mess and why we need better players.

In fairness if you’re not good at any of those things you’ll be in trouble regardless of how you set up to play.