Match Thread Oxford FA Cup

Quoted from Badger57

No need for that modern excrement. An old urine bucket from under the bed and aunty Doris's flange flannel was all we needed back then. Bloody bunch of nancy boys these days. Tsk.

Haha, fair play.

Quoted from RichMariner

I’m not against passing out from the back. But there’s a difference between building from the back, and fannying around with it at the back unnecessarily.

I think the phrase ‘passing out from the back’ has come to mean fannying around at the back unnecessarily.

So, would I like to see the keeper roll it out to a full back, and us knock it around until we find a way to play it forward and between the lines? Yes. Still takes care and skill, and good judgment, but anyone who calls themselves a pro footballer should be capable of this.

Would I like to see us pass the ball across the face of our goal with opposing players closing in from all directions, simply because we ‘play out from the back’? No.

At this level at least, there comes a point when, if there’s no reasonable pass on, we have to hit it long.

This is where there’s a grey area. We’ve all seen defenders lose the ball or make silly errors that cost goals because they’re passing it around in dangerous areas.

Maybe some managers believe this is still a risk worth taking, but unfortunately average football fans are t able to measure how successful this approach is because when a goal is scored it’s hard to credit it on a moment two minutes earlier when the team drew the opposition out. It doesn’t have the clarity of a set-piece.

It’s an interesting discussion but as with everything in life it’s all about balance. By all means, play out from the back… but have a cut-off point. When it gets tight, you have to lump it.

And just because you lump it, it doesn’t make you any less intelligent a player. If anything, knowing when to abandon the passing is demonstrating intelligence.

Yes, this is a more clearly expressed explanation of what I am getting at.

I think the issue with lower division players can be that, once they are in the 'We've got to play it out from the back' mode, they continue trying to do it, even if they've overplayed and got themselves into trouble and need to just whack it upfield. The top level players are good enough not to generally get themselves into these positions, the odd situation aside. 4th division footballers generally aren't.

Nothing wrong with wanting to pass it as much as possible, but you've got to make sure that what you're doing is still sensible.

Cancelled the Wembley Hotel, still booked for Play-off final though.  

Quoted from lukeo

For anyone who hasn't done the fa level 1 coaching course or know the rules for junior football, they encourage from an early age in England to play out from the back. Juniors have a retreat line when the opponents have a goal kick and this is 1 of a few reasons why they do that.

I have noticed playing out from the back the new thing to do and I have a different take on this, we read so much about players from years ago now suffering with problems associated with heading a football and usually when kicked out by the keeper the ball is usually propelled high into the sky and is usually then headed in one direction or another by whichever player gets to the ball first. Maybe the FA has decided to try and eliminate long lasting injuries to players by heading the ball from great heights by encouraging younger players to play the ball on the ground thus reducing the chances of developing problems in later life.

Just caught the last 5 minutes of Forest v Everton, Forest 1-0 down so really pushing for the equaliser. One time the Forest defender lumped up upfield and the ball finished with an Everton player, next time the Forest players passed it around and eventually got in a cross into the box. Granted these are premiership players and not division 4 players so they are more comfortable on the ball but have to agree with others that watching Man City at times although very skilful it can be very slow and boring, but by keeping possession it does mean the opposition have fewer chances to score. Also, I would say that Alan Buckley played possession style and it was quite successful.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Neither of the goals we conceded today were a result of "playing around at the back". One came on a counter from a town corner and the second involved Maher losing the ball practically in Oxford's half with plenty of opportunity for town to defend the resulting counter attack. We've looked very good generally in possession in the first two games of Artellball, and anyone already suggesting we revert to direct tactics has lost the plot

Agreed. , I was a staunch hurst fan but for a few months the football was so bad I found the home games a chore. I walked out of most games saying that the opposition looked a much better football team. Time to try something different, there has to be a mid ground between playing out and being more direct

I can remember er some conference teams playing it out from the back. Just practice practice and practice more.
It isn't about the player with the ball but other players around him giving him options

Quoted from hampshiremariner

I hear what you say, but you need confident players with composure and skill. We just cannot afford to be giving goals away. We have lost 20 points from winning positions this season. The first prioity for the new manage should be getting us up the table.. I don’t think that will happen if we ship goals 'playing out’.

But you must agree that DA has had little training done. Two away matches eat into your training as you have to travel.

He started Monday, probably had to do media rounds, and had an hour with the team. Tuesday was game day, so little time spent. Wednesday was off day as they had got home late. Thursday and Friday they trained. He's trying to undo the last regime system whilst imposing his own, whilst matches are being played. There must be a bit of "one lot are still playing the old way, and others are playing the new way in patches. But we are actually playing better.
I'm not disheartened as such, although the counterattack from the corner and free headers says a lot. DA now can see what he has to fix.
Onwards and upwards. UTM

Quoted from chaos33

Yes, this is a more clearly expressed explanation of what I am getting at.

Artell has had 3 training sessions with the team, probably one actual full session. He’s implemented his style on the team already and that’s how we’re going to play. Like Ange at Tottenham, he doesn’t see any other way of playing football. Sometimes it’ll win us games, sometimes it’ll lose us games but we’re going to have a good time along the way. Like he said himself it’s going to take time. Sometimes he’ll come off the pitch and have no explanation for what he’s just seen, but when it clicks we’ll be a success and we’ve already seen after 2 games in charge, 2 of the worst games you could of probably asked for by the way that we’re going to be fine. We aren’t fannying about with it at the back for no reason, the players will be drilled and learn to spot triggers. Triggers is a coaching term for when someone does something then you progress the ball forward. Man City have a trigger that when someone goes into press Rodri then Foden tucks in off the right and Walker creates an overload on the right hand side or vice versa dependant on what side of the play the ball is on. It’s quite obvious we’re going to look to create overloads in the wide areas and use Conteh as our ‘ Rodri ‘ so to speak. David will know full well what he needs in January already. You learn most about a player when he’s thrown into the deep end and I think DA will be quite pleased with what he’s seen, but he’s a perfectionist and listening to his past interviews he’s a coach. He likes to coach players and improve them so I don’t think we’ll see a lot of movement in January, maybe a couple additions for depth purposes but his bread and butter is improving players he already has and there’s a high ceiling with a lot of the players within this team. Centre half is a problem position for me though and I think the quicker we can get Charles back the better.