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Quoted from Tommy
Think he just needs a manager to believe in him, give him confidence and allow him to be attack-minded to get the best out of him.

We've seen what he CAN do in the past. Say what you like about Holloway but he was getting a tune out of Vernam with how he set us up to play pre-covid and how he man-managed CV.


Agree Tommy 100%

I was not the biggest fan of him re-signing in truth , but to effectively write him off after a handful of games (potentially carrying an injury?) Seems a bit premature and maybe even a tad unfair .

My wider issue (pardon the pun) is that we have ended up with what 4 players (Eisa , Khan, Clifton , Vernam ) who's best position is from the left ; with Eisa playing so well that means 3 have to either play (when fit) somewhere else ,where they are not as effective or not play at all - it's left us with a fairly unbalanced look imo .
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Don’t get me wrong, this was a very good goal, but every time I watch it back the defending and goalkeeping get worse and worse.



Ryan giggs goal in the semi final against arsenal was massively overrated in a similar way imo. He picks the ball up midway in his own half and no one tries to gets near him until 2 defenders fall over at the edge of the box and he hits it straight at seaman who almost bends over backwards trying to save it and makes it easy for the ball to over him. Lauded as one of the greatest ever goals in the cup but nothing like as good as Ricky villa in the final all those years ago. Now that was a great goal.
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Still think Vernam will turn into a good player for us, he was obviously carrying this injury at the start of the season and now he’s paying the price for playing through it. Not his fault and I can’t understand the stick he’s had for it either.


Absolutely agree. Charles is a quality footballer, clearly was carrying an injury. I suspect he had a problem when he signed, which raises the question of his medical. Hope to see him before the end of the season playing without the Hurst brakes on, we saw how good he can be when Holloway let him run at defences at this level. He was unplayable.
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Someone said he is a striker, I thought he was a winger, slightly evidenced by his 'supergoal' which started with him picking the ball up somewhere near to our penalty area, not a place I would expect to see a striker.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  Having watched a video of the goal, he was actually on the 18 yard line when he set off to receive the ball then proceeded up the field to score.


For me, he's a wide left player in a three. Can do a job centrally, or even wide right, but nowhere near as effective as wide left.
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Vernam is a very talented player. However, he has struggled with injury. Will he ever be able to achieve his potential? Piece of string question. The raw talent is there, but will he ever be able to put the rubber to the ground. Mmmm...time will be the judge of that.
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I preferred Luke Waterfall’s ET goal at Wrexham…

I guess it has to be up there as an individual goal, but also I agree the defending was appalling.

The best team goal for Town I can recall has to be John Cockerill’s in the 4-0 “just like watching Brazil” win v Huddersfield.


That was 30 years ago lol
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Ryan giggs goal in the semi final against arsenal was massively overrated in a similar way imo. He picks the ball up midway in his own half and no one tries to gets near him until 2 defenders fall over at the edge of the box and he hits it straight at seaman who almost bends over backwards trying to save it and makes it easy for the ball to over him. Lauded as one of the greatest ever goals in the cup but nothing like as good as Ricky villa in the final all those years ago. Now that was a great goal.


It looks staged as in a film.
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Wasn't happy when he signed to be honest. over rated and imo been very fortunate to get longish contracts at various clubs. Seemed to make his name on that one solo goal away from  home  for us ..before that was really just mediocre. Not seen anything since to change my mind.
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While since we've had a go-in on Vernam.  Thought he might get a bit of a break whilst injured.

Slade and Jolley both used Vernam down the middle, a position he clearly isn't going to excel in.  Limbrick identified that he could have far more impact on the left of a front three/midfield five.  Holloway then worked further on that and the lad really flourished.  

That's the only spell we should be referencing from his previous time here as for the previous 18 months he was played out of position.  He was excellent in his true position, a genuine threat with goals to his name.  

He goes to League One with Burton and scores two, assists two from 14 starts in a poor side.  Not setting the world alight but hardly a horrific record, especially as we're not at that level.

Drops back down to Bradford and from 34 starts he scores 10 and makes a further 6.  Bradford are desperate to keep him, their fans are gutted when he goes back up to League One with Lincoln.

6 starts in the league at Lincoln but quite simply it didn't work out, again not at our level so I won't judge his ability to perform at League Two on that.

So to sum up.

Striker at L2 Town - Not great
Winger at L2 Town - Very good.
Winger at L1 Burton - Ok
Winger at L2 Bradford - Very good.
Winger at L1 Lincoln - Disappointing.

Dunno if anyone's noticed but we're at League Two level and we've signed Vernam as a winger.  His previous two spells in this division whilst playing as a winger have been very productive.  

He was written off as soon as he re-signed here by many.  More wrote him off after just 3 league starts for us, even harsher now we know he was carrying an injury.

Genuinely can't get my head round the fact that we've signed a winger who has proved to be effective at this level when used correctly, yet before he had even made an appearance people were determined to tell us he isn't very good.  
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