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VinnyGTFC
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I can only use my eyes and 45 years of watching football. The keepers aren’t good enough and Eastwood is going backwards imo


I didn't say they were good enough, I said how do you know Croudson is a poor Goalkeeper Coach
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We’ll have to wait and see won’t we


Backtrack. Of course we will. But what you can ‘guarantee’ is the square root of nish, and would make no sense in any aspect.


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And you think you are right all the time, which is commonly known as having an opinion, same as with everyone.

My opinion doesn't match the prevailing one, so I'm an opinionated sap.

I stuck up for Hurst the last time the witch hunt started and he came through. Doesn't mean he will this time, or that I was right, but neither does getting a new manager in suddenly mean we will start flying up the league.

The owners said last time the knives were out, they didn't even contemplate terminating his employment because the performances and stats were pretty good, and I suspect they may be feeling the same now, but if they decide to make a change, then fine.

Until that point, I will carry on supporting him, and no amount of bleating by fans is going to change a thing, unless and until the board decide to act.

Time for a break methinks.


I don’t think I’m right at all, unlike Saint Ginny, I have an opinion that a manager has a shelf life and Paul Hurst has reached his time. I also think Doig is as Pete described him and casts a shadow on Hurst’s achievements, much as Scott did before him.
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I just think doig could have a managers type influence around the squad ..and you can't have 2 captains steering the same ship.


FFS


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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I don’t think I’m right at all, unlike Saint Ginny, I have an opinion that a manager has a shelf life and Paul Hurst has reached his time. I also think Doig is as Pete described him and casts a shadow on Hurst’s achievements, much as Scott did before him.


What's this shelf-life thing? Do they curdle after a while? Are we going to have to bring in more cleaners to get the rotten dairy stench out? Managers are human. They intercourse up, and learn. No one is perfect, and the things that people are drunk off about, Hurst probably is also. Unfortunately no decision is made in hindsight, and some mistakes cannot always be rectified immediately.

Hurst is the manager at present, and he picks the assistant. We do not know what he does in training. Sounds like he can be assertive with players, and I think if players are repeatedly making similar mistakes, I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing if it's done in a professional manager. I'm sure most players won't want to get excrement if they weren't giving their all in training, but it doesn't mean it doesn't warrant it.

Pep Guardiola when talking about Arteta said he often learnt off Arteta (rather than Arteta getting everything from Pep), and does with every assistant he brings in. We don't know what feedback Doig gives that has probably paid off, or he's spotted things that Hurst missed. We only know that Hurst feels he benefits from having him in his coaching team, and we have very little information to make an informed decision on this.
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I didn't say they were good enough, I said how do you know Croudson is a poor Goalkeeper Coach


Eastwood has gone backwards and crocombe did the same last season . That’s the only evidence I have
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Eastwood has gone backwards and crocombe did the same last season . That’s the only evidence I have


Eastwood has gone backwards from what?
Crocombe came to us as a keeper on the downward, possibly National League was his level. He left two years later and is a quality League 1 keeper. Are you suggesting we aren't responsible for that ?
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Eastwood has gone backwards from what?
Crocombe came to us as a keeper on the downward, possibly National League was his level. He left two years later and is a quality League 1 keeper. Are you suggesting we aren't responsible for that ?


Who’s we ?
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Eastwood has gone backwards from what?
Crocombe came to us as a keeper on the downward, possibly National League was his level. He left two years later and is a quality League 1 keeper. Are you suggesting we aren't responsible for that ?


I'm going to argue that for the most part the player is responsible for that. I coach goalkeepers and I'm half decent at it (at best). The nature of goalkeeping, being the isolated and specialist position it is means that goalkeepers will only get out of it what they put in. A good goalkeeper coach will help progress the development of the coach but if a 'keeper doesn't apply them-self to their own development then they'll go so far.

Crocombes form last season could have included many factors including (but not limited to) lack of confidence following an error or singular poor performance, over-confidence and the lack of competition allowing him to 'sack it off', personal issues away from football or a desire/aspiration to move on (doesn't seem logical to drop in form when looking to move higher but I'd suggest it can make you take your eye off the ball a little).

It's also possible that over-coaching led to mental fatigue or confusion, or under coaching led to a lack of sharpness. Ultimately a mix of things will no doubt have been at hand, but essentially his improvement over time would have been largely down to him and his subsequent drop in form would have been personal to him. Our involvement will have some impact but not so much as the player himself.
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I'm going to argue that for the most part the player is responsible for that. I coach goalkeepers and I'm half decent at it (at best)


Crocombe was a strange one because, towards the back end of last season, he handled the ball like a bar of soap. That Bradford match (in dry conditions), I think he gave up using his hands and just tried to block the ball with anything to keep it out. It was a bizarre performance. Almost the keeper equivalent of the yips.

I’d be interested on your take on Eastwood’s footwork. At times it looks like he’s waddling along in a three legged race by himself. I don’t know if he’s constipated but he has that air about him. I hope Doig’s Dulcolax does the trick sharpish.
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