Foreign players

What are the rules regarding signing players from abroad in the lower leagues?

Do the players have to have international experience for their respective countries to give them clearance?

Are signings from Europe more difficult than from the rest of the world?

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

What are the rules regarding signing players from abroad in the lower leagues?

Do the players have to have international experience for their respective countries to give them clearance?

Are signings from Europe more difficult than from the rest of the world?

Messi has already gone to America, mate!

It's a points system based on who you play for, higher level, top football country international appearances generally needed with the aim of gaining you enough points for a visa.,
No doubt if you are a top prem club most of the rules can be bipassed to get a 16 yr old to sign from a foreign academy

It's a points system based on who you play for, higher level, top football country international appearances generally needed with the aim of gaining you enough points for a visa.,
No doubt if you are a top prem club most of the rules can be bipassed to get a 16 yr old to sign from a foreign academy

Brexit bonus again…

Brexit ,...... the gift that just keeps on giving🤔

Like when Allardyce supported Brexit but then blamed it when he couldn't bring foreign players to West Brom....who went down

So basically we cant sign any wonderkids from abroad then, or in fact anyone unless they have played internationally.

So we wont be able to sign playersfrom the same sort of levels where we got the two clowns from Sweden or some of the Italians from years back?

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

What are the rules regarding signing players from abroad in the lower leagues?

Do the players have to have international experience for their respective countries to give them clearance?

Are signings from Europe more difficult than from the rest of the world?

https://worldfootballindex.com.....bs-efl-libertadores/

Every (none Brit) needs a work permit to work in UK. Footballers are "waved through" and South American players have it easier than before as EU rules don't apply anymore, and Permits are Equalised. The EU made it difficult for none EU players to get permits, so bit more paperwork for EU players, less paperwork for the rest of the world.

Basically Farage, Johnson and the pig shagger copulated it for us.

Quoted from gtfc98

Basically Farage, Johnson and the pig shagger copulated it for us.

Cameron asked the question, but 17m voters copulated it for us.

Like we raided the foreign academies anyway you remoaning fools

🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Here we go again!

Somebody is still using the term remoaner, despite the fact that Brexit has been the expected catastrophe? Remarkable.

No more Ivano Bonettis (or Enzo Gambaros), Ludwig Ohmans or Sebastian Rings. I suppose we might get another Chima Okorie if he pretends he's coming to pick fruit.

Conversely, of course, none of our young players will get the chance to play abroad in the EU, either. Would Danny North be able to forge a career in Ireland these days? Not so sure.

Quoted from Maringer

Conversely, of course, none of our young players will get the chance to play abroad in the EU, either. Would Danny North be able to forge a career in Ireland these days? Not so sure.

He’s way too old!

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

He’s way too old!

That aside, he could ply his trade in Ireland as the UK and Ireland have a common working arrangement, either citizen can work in either country without restriction. So, yes he could.

Quoted from SteffiMariner

That aside, he could ply his trade in Ireland as the UK and Ireland have a common working arrangement, either citizen can work in either country without restriction. So, yes he could.

Ah, right. I did wonder about that. The rest of the post stands, however.

I still find the term remoaner absolutely hilarious.

I laugh long and loud at the brilliant play on words. Oscar Wilde would be proud of that one.

Maybe we just need to get creative?  like - this is John Smith, he's only playing for us for the 90 days he's on holiday in the uk.....day 91 we unveil Johnny Smith, his identical twin! who will also only play for the 90 days his holiday visa lasts....before Jonino Smith, the third brother, rocks up for the next few months!  It could work.....

And maybe they could all volunteer their time to the club but get a donation separately of football for £3k a week from MyEnergi just to avoid any confusion for the FFP people....

In reality though you'd think a contract from GTFC would be a solid enough work sponsorship to get a foreign player in, Prem clubs have zero issues doing it

Quoted from gtfc98

Basically Farage, Johnson and the pig shagger copulated it for us.

This and many other things. Yet some people still seem to think it was all such a good idea, so pleased that they are very much in a minority now. Although I’m sure they are lapping up the dehumanising trope of “stop the boats”

I think we can end this debate now.we all agree that Brexit has  been a massive success, Britain is booming as a result ,the NHS has been transformed by not having to pay those bloody Europeans,and the sunny uplands promised are just a hop n a skip away

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

This and many other things. Yet some people still seem to think it was all such a good idea, so pleased that they are very much in a minority now. Although I’m sure they are lapping up the dehumanising trope of “stop the boats”

Absolutely and totally non fking football.  YET AGAIN.

You do realise there is a ‘non footy’ section don’t you ??????

Quoted from forza ivano

I think we can end this debate now.we all agree that Brexit has  been a massive success, Britain is booming as a result ,the NHS has been transformed by not having to pay those bloody Europeans,and the sunny uplands promised are just a hop n a skip away

So true

Am looking forward to seeing the customs checkpoint halfway between the Isle of Man and Belfast when I get on the ferry in 3 weeks time.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Absolutely and totally non fking football.  YET AGAIN.

You do realise there is a ‘non footy’ section don’t you ??????

Is the truth starting to bite?

The trouble with Brexit is that affects everyone and everything including football hence is should be debated here. If you are not interested then don’t bother reading.
I will continue to be a proud remoaner until this tragic decision is revoked. The mood is changing as the public have worked out it was a massive con delivered by a proven liar.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Is the truth starting to bite?

The truth is that Brexit  coukd have worked.  But instead of pulling together, those that lost had a hissy fit and refused to play ball. Thus massively weakening our position.  
Those that voted remain seem somehow pleased that it has failed, which is undoubtedly true.  Quite happy to see the country fecked. But at least they can say I told you so. Even on a league 2 message board !!

Quoted from Civvy at last

The truth is that Brexit  coukd have worked.  But instead of pulling together, those that lost had a hissy fit and refused to play ball. Thus massively weakening our position.  
Those that voted remain seem somehow pleased that it has failed, which is undoubtedly true.  Quite happy to see the country fecked. But at least they can say I told you so. Even on a league 2 message board !!

Spot on! As soon as the people voted to leave, the powers that be and "The Blob" , who wanted us to stay in the EU, put every obstacle in the way to make success difficult. The EU themselves daren't let it seem that a country leaving the EU could still flourish and be successful.

Quoted from 99agrant

The trouble with Brexit is that affects everyone and everything including football hence is should be debated here. If you are not interested then don’t bother reading.
I will continue to be a proud remoaner until this tragic decision is revoked. The mood is changing as the public have worked out it was a massive con delivered by a proven liar.

It shouldn't be debated here, it has absolutely nothing to do with this board.  Soon people will be putting everything BUT football posts on here!

Quoted from Civvy at last

The truth is that Brexit  coukd have worked.  But instead of pulling together, those that lost had a hissy fit and refused to play ball. Thus massively weakening our position.

How could it have worked? How could leaving the world's wealthiest and most successful trading bloc (which happens to include all of our nearest neighbours) could only ever lead to failure. How did people who didn't agree with it have any impact on what the government negotiating the exit could agree with the EU? Do you think we could have achieved a better trading deal from the EU than was possible? The EU held all the cards in any negotiations as they had little to lose and we had lots - they knew it, we knew it, the world knew it. The experts were right and continue to be right and things are going to get worse still, once we eventually bring in the food checks on imports which we keep kicking down the road.

The fairytale cakeism pushed by the Brexiteers didn't make any sense, economically or otherwise, and they pretty clearly either didn't understand what they were talking about or were deliberately lying, which is why they are reduced to claiming those nasty people made us do Brexit wrong.

FFS!

You only have to scroll back through this post to see who the main culprits are in turning this and many other posts instantly into a debate about Brexit.

I asked a legitimate question on what the rules are on signing foreign players nowadays. Quite simple really. There is no reason whatsoever to turn it into a political debate.

So Brexit doesn't limit our ability to sign EU players?

Quoted from Civvy at last

The truth is that Brexit  coukd have worked.  But instead of pulling together, those that lost had a hissy fit and refused to play ball. Thus massively weakening our position.  
Those that voted remain seem somehow pleased that it has failed, which is undoubtedly true.  Quite happy to see the country fecked. But at least they can say I told you so. Even on a league 2 message board !!

Ah yes, it is everyone else's fault...

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

You only have to scroll back through this post to see who the main culprits are in turning this and many other posts instantly into a debate about Brexit.

I asked a legitimate question on what the rules are on signing foreign players nowadays. Quite simple really. There is no reason whatsoever to turn it into a political debate.

A question about people coming from abroad to work in the UK “nowadays” in post-Brexit Britain and you weren’t expecting a political discussion? Really?

A foreign player can play immediately if he is Albanian.

Sport and politics are intertwined, just like every other facet of society, so like it or not, there is no longer free movement between Europe and the UK, which has an impact on the free movement of footballers and anyone else looking to ply their trade over here.

There is also the impact of fans who now have a choice between paying bills or spending on leisure pursuits, including going to the footy.

I personally know of someone who can no longer afford to buy a season ticket because of increases in his outgoings.

Whether you voted leave or remain is irrelevant right now. The reality is that Brexit has affected every facet of life, and almost exclusively in a negative way.

Quoted from ginnywings

Sport and politics are intertwined, just like every other facet of society, so like it or not, there is no longer free movement between Europe and the UK, which has an impact on the free movement of footballers and anyone else looking to ply their trade over here.

There is also the impact of fans who now have a choice between paying bills or spending on leisure pursuits, including going to the footy.

I personally know of someone who can no longer afford to buy a season ticket because of increases in his outgoings.

Whether you voted leave or remain is irrelevant right now. The reality is that Brexit has affected every facet of life, and almost exclusively in a negative way.

No doubt, had we remained and voted Labour. There would have been no Covid, no war in the Ukrain, and we’d all be able to afford season tickets anywhere we wanted. 😴💤💤

Don't need to go that far afield to recruit
Lots of talent on the Emerald Isle. Dead easy to get to, once they build that bridge  

Quoted from Civvy at last

No doubt, had we remained and voted Labour. There would have been no Covid, no war in the Ukrain, and we’d all be able to afford season tickets anywhere we wanted. 😴💤💤

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

Quoted from Civvy at last

The truth is that Brexit  coukd have worked.  But instead of pulling together, those that lost had a hissy fit and refused to play ball. Thus massively weakening our position.  
Those that voted remain seem somehow pleased that it has failed, which is undoubtedly true.  Quite happy to see the country fecked. But at least they can say I told you so. Even on a league 2 message board !!

Ah so it’s the fault of those who voted remain that it’s not working. You’ve drunk a lot of KoolAid.

Quoted from LH

A question about people coming from abroad to work in the UK “nowadays” in post-Brexit Britain and you weren’t expecting a political discussion? Really?

Yes, because this is a football forum not a political forum. If grown men cant have a discussion about football without turning it into politics time and time and time again then there are some sad individuals on here, and those who agree or defend them are just as bad

Last time I checked, commenting on or reading every particular thread or even individual posts in threads wasn't compulsory.

A lot of posts and threads aren't of any interest to me, but I don't tend to complain that they've been made.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

You only have to scroll back through this post to see who the main culprits are in turning this and many other posts instantly into a debate about Brexit.

I asked a legitimate question on what the rules are on signing foreign players nowadays. Quite simple really. There is no reason whatsoever to turn it into a political debate.

It the reason we now cannot sign our level of players from the EU is entirely down to Brexit. That shitty freedom of movement that was the root of all evil was actually really positive in terms of football and many more important ways. What’s even more comical is those that moan about “foreigners” coming over here can surely see that the only thing Brexit has achieved in that respect is ensuring those that do come here are now a burden on the state rather than the benefit they were before. If you voted for this then own your excrement.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Yes, because this is a football forum not a political forum. If grown men cant have a discussion about football without turning it into politics time and time and time again then there are some sad individuals on here, and those who agree or defend them are just as bad

But, in this instance, it’s simply impossible to keep this ‘football’, whatever that means.

The laws and ridiculous decision to leave have directly impacted the workforce, in this case, the footballing workforce.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

It the reason we now cannot sign our level of players from the EU is entirely down to Brexit. That shitty freedom of movement that was the root of all evil was actually really positive in terms of football and many more important ways. What’s even more comical is those that moan about “foreigners” coming over here can surely see that the only thing Brexit has achieved in that respect is ensuring those that do come here are now a burden on the state rather than the benefit they were before. If you voted for this then own your excrement.

That is a valid point.  And when it’s posted relating to football then that’s fine.  
But the usual suspects seem to just use it as a Tory bashing excuse and a chance to say ‘I told you so’
I come on here to read/discuss matters regarding GTFC and occasionally other teams. If Labour win the next election (and I suspect they will), anyone Labour bashing instead of football related will get the same reaction from me.
UTM

Makes English players more valuable at all levels then. Even the big teams have to have their quota within the squad.

It's now easier for English clubs to sign players from crap countries like Brazil and Argentina due to Brexit but let's not get the facts in the way.

Quoted from promotion plaice

It's now easier for English clubs to sign players from crap countries like Brazil and Argentina due to Brexit but let's not get the facts in the way.

Christ on a flipping bike.

Quoted from promotion plaice

It's now easier for English clubs to sign players from crap countries like Brazil and Argentina due to Brexit but let's not get the facts in the way.

Can you explain why as I don't think there is any element of truth or facts to back up that statement.

I'd be happy to see another Sergio Torres sign for us as he was a useful player whenever we faced him.

Back then, he was in the UK because he held an Italian passport (as do many Argies - lots of Brazilians have Portuguese passports). Are Argentinians any good at picking fruit and veg?

It's a shame and scary to see the old battlegrounds still being debated. Are we not learning anything yet? It's not red versus blue, it's not in or out the EU, the EU is hardly a beacon of democracy nowadays. It's not a Labour government or a Tory government. They're all in the pockets and at the behest of huge finance and huge corporations. Just look at the company the politicians on all sides keep. It's us, the little people versus them, but we're still so filled with the constant propaganda that keeps us split and disjointed. We've all become weak, lazy, uneducated and vulnerable. Anyone still think that Starmer or rejoining the EU is going to change anything? You're joking right? Even if this is the worst government in my living memory, nothing will change, they've all got the same agenda....

I wouldn't worry too much about foreign players either. Very few have been a success here. And anyway.. I thought we were all for developing homegrown talent.. not enough English players in the Premier League etc etc etc

Quoted from Bigdog

It's a shame and scary to see the old battlegrounds still being debated. Are we not learning anything yet? It's not red versus blue, it's not in or out the EU, the EU is hardly a beacon of democracy nowadays. It's not a Labour government or a Tory government. They're all in the pockets and at the behest of huge finance and huge corporations. Just look at the company the politicians on all sides keep. It's us, the little people versus them, but we're still so filled with the constant propaganda that keeps us split and disjointed. We've all become weak, lazy, uneducated and vulnerable. Anyone still think that Starmer or rejoining the EU is going to change anything? You're joking right? Even if this is the worst government in my living memory. Nothing will change, they've all got the same agenda....

I wouldn't worry too much about foreign players either. Very few have been a success here. And anyway.. I thought we were all for developing homegrown talent.. not enough English players in the Premier League etc etc etc

I think you have summed up our politicians and governments for the last few decades. Star man for me.

Biggest problem isn’t that we can’t sign foreign players, it’s that it is much more difficult for clubs in the leagues above us to sign them.

Premier League clubs will hoover up more young British players as they can’t bring in under 18’s from overseas and Championship clubs will be looking more closely at the lower leagues as they’ll struggle to bring in foreign players who’d get a work permit unless they have a huge budget.

Can see this, alongside Wrexham, having a big inflationary impact on British players transfer values and salary expectations.

Quoted from Marinerdan

Biggest problem isn’t that we can’t sign foreign players, it’s that it is much more difficult for clubs in the leagues above us to sign them.

Premier League clubs will hoover up more young British players as they can’t bring in under 18’s from overseas and Championship clubs will be looking more closely at the lower leagues as they’ll struggle to bring in foreign players who’d get a work permit unless they have a huge budget.

Can see this, alongside Wrexham, having a big inflationary impact on British players transfer values and salary expectations.

Hence the importance on having a successful academy. We all know what a great job neil woods does and it would be a worry if he was poached from the role by a team with a bigger budget etc. PH obviously has great communication with ALL of his team and the mutual respect is as light as day.

Evan khouri matured with every game he played and that last game against Wimbledon, he didn’t look out of place whatsoever.

Back to the topic, I read today there are new rules/quotas re work permits.

From Martyn Ziegler of the Times

'Home Office has signed off these new rules for overseas footballers - clubs can have up between 2 and 4 overseas players without the necessary work permit points. The extra is allowed if they give enough playing time to English players.'

2 non visa applicable players now allowed to sign for Div 2 teams !!

So we, and all other League 2 teams, can basically sign a minimum of 2 upto a maximum of 4 players, depending on a few regulations, from ANYWHERE including across the whole of Europe?

If so, that is groundbreaking.

Having a respected and experienced Recruitment Analyst, who could have contacts across the globe, might be very useful. Many lower League teams dont have that option.

how aren't we all dead yet?  didn't the remainers paint it out to be crashing out of europe, going of a cliff edge. mass starvation.

Surely all life would have ended when we supposedly voted out?

Europe's doing worse than us at present.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Back to the topic, I read today there are new rules/quotas re work permits.

From Martyn Ziegler of the Times

'Home Office has signed off these new rules for overseas footballers - clubs can have up between 2 and 4 overseas players without the necessary work permit points. The extra is allowed if they give enough playing time to English players.'

Imagine the outcry from the bigots of this was made available to any business…flipping mind blowing.

Just when you think this government couldn’t be any more moronic…

Quoted from monkeyboy

how aren't we all dead yet?  didn't the remainers paint it out to be crashing out of europe, going of a cliff edge. mass starvation.

Surely all life would have ended when we supposedly voted out?

Europe's doing worse than us at present.

Interesting fantasies you have, especially the one about Europe doing worse than us! Inflation is already higher in the UK than the rest of Europe, in part due to Brexit, and it's only going to get worse when we finally start implementing the import checks which we keep postponing:

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-food-producers-not-ready-for-uk-import-checks?s=09

Brexit isn't nearly finished with us yet.

Quoted from monkeyboy

how aren't we all dead yet?  didn't the remainers paint it out to be crashing out of europe, going of a cliff edge. mass starvation.

Surely all life would have ended when we supposedly voted out?

Europe's doing worse than us at present.

You're right... it's going perfectly. 'Remoaners' just need to believe abit more, that'll sort it...

Quoted from Maringer

Interesting fantasies you have, especially the one about Europe doing worse than us! Inflation is already higher in the UK than the rest of Europe, in part due to Brexit, and it's only going to get worse when we finally start implementing the import checks which we keep postponing:

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-food-producers-not-ready-for-uk-import-checks?s=09

Brexit isn't nearly finished with us yet.

But...but...but...The Daily Mail says it's worse in the Stalinist state of Europe..

Quoted from monkeyboy

how aren't we all dead yet?  didn't the remainers paint it out to be crashing out of europe, going of a cliff edge. mass starvation.

Surely all life would have ended when we supposedly voted out?

Europe's doing worse than us at present.

So dense that light bends around you.

Quoted from Bigdog

It's a shame and scary to see the old battlegrounds still being debated. Are we not learning anything yet? It's not red versus blue, it's not in or out the EU, the EU is hardly a beacon of democracy nowadays. It's not a Labour government or a Tory government. They're all in the pockets and at the behest of huge finance and huge corporations. Just look at the company the politicians on all sides keep. It's us, the little people versus them, but we're still so filled with the constant propaganda that keeps us split and disjointed. We've all become weak, lazy, uneducated and vulnerable. Anyone still think that Starmer or rejoining the EU is going to change anything? You're joking right? Even if this is the worst government in my living memory, nothing will change, they've all got the same agenda....

I wouldn't worry too much about foreign players either. Very few have been a success here. And anyway.. I thought we were all for developing homegrown talent.. not enough English players in the Premier League etc etc etc

100%. It is the banks and capitalism that run the show. We are the problem in allowing it to happen, and people will just continue to spend every penny they have and more because that's what we're encouraged to do to keep the fallacy that is democracy going. We pay billions and lose out when the banks get it wrong. We pay billions into the bankers pockets when they get it right. No consequences for them and they just get richer and greedier.

People's attitude is a massive part of the problem. And the complexity of the financial system makes it so hard for normal people to understand what is going on, along with apathy, that I can't see how we possibly fix the system.

I'm not anti capitalism, I'm anti the banks having all the power. Governments should have the power to create and control money, but they don't, the banks do.

Quoted from pen penfras

100%. It is the banks and capitalism that run the show. We are the problem in allowing it to happen, and people will just continue to spend every penny they have and more because that's what we're encouraged to do to keep the fallacy that is democracy going. We pay billions and lose out when the banks get it wrong. We pay billions into the bankers pockets when they get it right. No consequences for them and they just get richer and greedier.

People's attitude is a massive part of the problem. And the complexity of the financial system makes it so hard for normal people to understand what is going on, along with apathy, that I can't see how we possibly fix the system.

I'm not anti capitalism, I'm anti the banks having all the power. Governments should have the power to create and control money, but they don't, the banks do.

You're not wrong in some respects, in that the banks are allowed to do pretty much what they please with no moral hazard. They crashed the world economy in 2008, weren't punished or penalised for it and much of the QE required to bolster the economy ended up in their pockets regardless.

However, you're incorrect about the creation and control of money. The Government authorises the banks to create money - they can't do it without government consent, so it is entirely within the gift of government to remove this facility or at least threaten to do so to rein them in.

Why are the bankers allowed to get away with their misdeeds with the government (and therefore the populace) picking up the tab? Ask current PM and former Chancellor, Rishi Sunak (ex-Goldman Sachs), or perhaps all the Tory MPs with links to the hedge funds or who have accepted hefty donations from the financial sector (a smaller number of Labour MPs also have similar links and donations, but to a much lesser degree). Heck, Sajid Javid (ex-Deutsche Bank) was even one of those cluelessly trading the excrement leveraged bonds which caused the global financial crisis back in 2008 and it didn't stop him taking on one of the major roles in Government.

The other problem at present is that the Tories are so far into the belief that Banks Know Best, that we've ended up with Andrew Bailey as head of the Bank of England and he's absolutely bloody clueless. Unfortunately, the same goes for Shadow Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, a former BoE employee.

Quoted from ginnywings

Sport and politics are intertwined, just like every other facet of society, so like it or not, there is no longer free movement between Europe and the UK, which has an impact on the free movement of footballers and anyone else looking to ply their trade over here.

There is also the impact of fans who now have a choice between paying bills or spending on leisure pursuits, including going to the footy.

I personally know of someone who can no longer afford to buy a season ticket because of increases in his outgoings.

Whether you voted leave or remain is irrelevant right now. The reality is that Brexit has affected every facet of life, and almost exclusively in a negative way.

Ginny, do you not think that those small matters of a pandemic and the invasion of Ukraine may not have impacted outgoing expenses for people in most countries?

Take a look at the current economic situation in France and Germany and see whether Britain is an outlier, or in fact slightly over-performing cf the current European economic mean.

Times is tough everywhere.

Quoted from nickmariners

Ginny, do you not think that those small matters of a pandemic and the invasion of Ukraine may not have impacted outgoing expenses for people in most countries?

Take a look at the current economic situation in France and Germany and see whether Britain is an outlier, or in fact slightly over-performing cf the current European economic mean.

Times is tough everywhere.

Please provide proof that Britain is outperforming France and Germany.

For proof of the exceptional state of the UK economy refer to today's BBC website article where the head of Tesco says there are signs of inflation reducing but the article states that food inflation in the UK is currently just over 19%.

I also don't know whether you voted for Brexit or not but comparing the UK to Germany and France is surely what Brexiters wanted us to stop doing. We have taken back control. We are in charge of our own destiny. We don't have to worry about what Europe does or doesn't do.

Quoted from nickmariners

Take a look at the current economic situation in France and Germany and see whether Britain is an outlier, or in fact slightly over-performing cf the current European economic mean.

They've got lower inflation than the UK and have had higher growth since 2016. The UK is the only one of those three whose economy is smaller now than before the pandemic. I think I'd rather have their economic situation than our own. The EU as a whole has lower inflation than the UK, not just one or two countries. Food inflation much worse here than anywhere else in Western Europe, thanks to you know what and our reliance on imported food.

Quoted from Maringer

They've got lower inflation than the UK and have had higher growth since 2016. The UK is the only one of those three whose economy is smaller now than before the pandemic. I think I'd rather have their economic situation than our own. The EU as a whole has lower inflation than the UK, not just one or two countries. Food inflation much worse here than anywhere else in Western Europe, thanks to you know what and our reliance on imported food.

what=  the supermarket/grain merchant cartel, with a slice of good old brexit on the side of the plate

Quoted from Maringer

They've got lower inflation than the UK and have had higher growth since 2016. The UK is the only one of those three whose economy is smaller now than before the pandemic. I think I'd rather have their economic situation than our own. The EU as a whole has lower inflation than the UK, not just one or two countries. Food inflation much worse here than anywhere else in Western Europe, thanks to you know what and our reliance on imported food.

Do you not think that the EU encouraged a reliance on imported food, especially seasonal food which benefited poorer economies within the EU such as Portugal, Spain , Greece and Italy?

Quoted from rancido

Do you not think that the EU encouraged a reliance on imported food, especially seasonal food which benefited poorer economies within the EU such as Portugal, Spain , Greece and Italy?

We haven't been self sufficient in food production for about 150 years. This could have been some long term strategy those pesky French as revenge for Waterloo but I doubt it.

Quoted from nickmariners

Ginny, do you not think that those small matters of a pandemic and the invasion of Ukraine may not have impacted outgoing expenses for people in most countries?

Take a look at the current economic situation in France and Germany and see whether Britain is an outlier, or in fact slightly over-performing cf the current European economic mean.

Times is tough everywhere.

Err no, I don't think that.

And times aint tough everywhere.

Quoted from rancido

Do you not think that the EU encouraged a reliance on imported food, especially seasonal food which benefited poorer economies within the EU such as Portugal, Spain , Greece and Italy?

Do you seriously think that those dastardly Europeans sold us food cheaply as part of some sort of elaborate plan? It was how the single market works. We offered more money so got the stuff cheaply. A lot more expenses incurred now we're out of the single market.

It's also worth noting that leaving the single market without having a proper plan for maintaining food security was mind-blowingly stupid.

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

We haven't been self sufficient in food production for about 150 years. This could have been some long term strategy those pesky French as revenge for Waterloo but I doubt it.

In 1984 Britain was 95% self sufficient in indigenous foods. Changing food tastes mean we import more of the types of food that we cannot grow competitively compared to the warmer southern EU countries.

I have just come back from France and I tell you most of the food items in France are more expensive than in England.-. don'[t believe everything you hear on TV.

Quoted from golfer

I have just come back from France and I tell you most of the food items in France are more expensive than in England.-. don'[t believe everything you hear on TV.

That's that then, absolutely conclusive proof. Where do I join the Conservative party?

According to http://www.tradingeconomics.com food inflation in France in May was 14.3% compared to the UK which was just over 19% according to BBC report quoted above. In Germany it was 14.5%.

Quoted from golfer

I have just come back from France and I tell you most of the food items in France are more expensive than in England.-. don't believe everything you hear on TV.

I've just been to Paris and now in London. Paris is cheaper. Don't believe everything you hear from a gammon on an Internet forum.

I'll bet Grimsby's cheaper than both

Quoted from gtfc98

I've just been to Paris and now in London. Paris is cheaper. Don't believe everything you hear from a gammon on an Internet forum.

Where did you go- Aldi Paris and Harrods London ? Try a loaf of bread not foie gras

Quoted from golfer

I have just come back from France and I tell you most of the food items in France are more expensive than in England.-. don'[t believe everything you hear on TV.

that's coz they know you're English

That'll teach me .Clicked on foreign players and all I got was a load of remoaners wittering about Brexit on a football forum

I suppose I'll be another 20 pages before it's realised that it's not a footy thread and gets moved.

Quoted from pen penfras

100%. It is the banks and capitalism that run the show. We are the problem in allowing it to happen, and people will just continue to spend every penny they have and more because that's what we're encouraged to do to keep the fallacy that is democracy going. We pay billions and lose out when the banks get it wrong. We pay billions into the bankers pockets when they get it right. No consequences for them and they just get richer and greedier.

People's attitude is a massive part of the problem. And the complexity of the financial system makes it so hard for normal people to understand what is going on, along with apathy, that I can't see how we possibly fix the system.

I'm not anti capitalism, I'm anti the banks having all the power. Governments should have the power to create and control money, but they don't, the banks do.

But which is the lesser of the 2 evils? Banks, for all their faults, totally understand the financial world but can manipulate things for their own benefit. Governments, of all political persuasions, come and go. Each successive government will have its own fiscal policy and its own approach to any global financial crisis. All political parties in the UK has had its fair share of corrupt MPs and ones whose sole intention was to " feather their own nests ".

Quoted from Norseman

That'll teach me .Clicked on foreign players and all I got was a load of remoaners wittering about Brexit on a football forum

Yeh sorry about that. I started the thread with good intentions and with a genuine question, but some people just cant help themselves and have to turn it into something its not.

Thanks to the people who have replied 'on topic' anyway

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Yeh sorry about that. I started the thread with good intentions and with a genuine question, but some people just cant help themselves and have to turn it into something its not.

Thanks to the people who have replied 'on topic' anyway

You can't have a discussion about foreign players without mentioning the B word, because leaving the EU fundamentally changed everything and it is central to the issue.

Then the remoaner word gets used and that's like a red rag to a bull, so.....

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Yeh sorry about that. I started the thread with good intentions and with a genuine question, but some people just cant help themselves and have to turn it into something its not.

Thanks to the people who have replied 'on topic' anyway

Yeah some people find it hard to let go of the fact that 17m people voted to make the country poorer.

And still don't have the gumption to admit they were sold a pup and ballsed it all up.

Quoted from Maringer

And still don't have the gumption to admit they were sold a pup and ballsed it all up.

I don't think I was sold a pup. I fully expected a set back but unfortunately the pandemic and Ukraine has made things more difficult. I wanted out of the EU because I was frustrated with the UK's future and destiny being dictated by a biased political structure that was orientated towards the benefit of France and Germany. I don't regret voting out and I would do the same again if the opportunity arose again.

Quoted from rancido

I don't think I was sold a pup. I fully expected a set back but unfortunately the pandemic and Ukraine has made things more difficult. I wanted out of the EU because I was frustrated with the UK's future and destiny being dictated by a biased political structure that was orientated towards the benefit of France and Germany. I don't regret voting out and I would do the same again if the opportunity arose again.

There are some on here who will slag you off, but honestly I wish I could have written that so well, because it’s exactly how I feel.

Quoted from rancido

I don't think I was sold a pup. I fully expected a set back but unfortunately the pandemic and Ukraine has made things more difficult. I wanted out of the EU because I was frustrated with the UK's future and destiny being dictated by a biased political structure that was orientated towards the benefit of France and Germany. I don't regret voting out and I would do the same again if the opportunity arose again.

Ah, so you're one of the folk who decided 'sovereignty' was more important than the nation's prosperity, direct access to the world's wealthiest trading bloc and freedom of movement to work and study elsewhere in the EU. Seems a lot to give up to me over a nebulous concept which doesn't hold much water at closer scrutiny.

I've never understood the 'sovereignty' argument given that we had a veto on policy, helped select the commission and therefore set EU policy and benefitted immeasurably from membership.

I prefer a more pragmatic approach. The EU was and is far from perfect, but it's always better to be inside the tent pissing out then vice versa.

Brexit has shafted our business and many thousands of others around the country. We're going to be paying much more for food from now onwards (hence the higher inflation here compared to the rest of Europe), and our agricultural sector is failing without workers and due to a loss of access to the single market. I personally wasn't ever going to be moving to Europe to work or study (a couple of my friends did so when we were younger), but it would have been nice if my kids hadn't had the opportunity to do so stripped away from them.

Given that we're much worse off due to Brexit already and food inflation is going to get worse when we finally bring in the import checks we keep postponing, it's interesting to see you still so firm in your conviction that Brexit was a good idea.

I personally think you're deluded, but that's your right, I suppose.

I do wonder just how much damage to the economy do you think makes the sovereignty aspect worthwhile? Difficult to be clear without counterfactuals as to what might have occurred without Brexit. The combination of Brexit and the worst government in living memory makes it difficult to be clear just which aspect has copulated which things up.

lets not forget we,ve since had Covid and War in Ukraine also causing price increases. A ship that blocked Suez didn't help either.

Quoted from Wedidntdidwe

lets not forget we,ve since had Covid and War in Ukraine also causing price increases. A ship that blocked Suez didn't help either.

The suez flipping canal. You've just dropped those straws you're clutching at.