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Rotherham won't take a punt on a past hero . They will now want a manager who is proven in the championship imo
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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, we have absolutely no idea whether they might fancy Hurst or not. They might do, they might not.
As much as we understandably rate the guy here, you can put an entirely different slant on his managerial career armed only with facts, if you want to.
For instance, his only tangible managerial success has been in non-league. The first time around it took six attempts to get consistently one of the biggest clubs in the division promoted, and whilst he managed it first time around last season, this came after overseeing a dismal relegation from the EFL (taking over as manager half way through the season with the club above the relegation zone, eventually finishing 92nd out of 92). Oh, and a sizeable minority of fans wanted him sacked part way through the season after overseeing the club’s worst ever non-league run.
Even now, Grimsby are only 8th in League Two. Is that worthy of a job at a club precisely two divisions higher?
His one previous attempt at managing in the Championship was an abject failure. Sacked after 15 games, winning just 1 - a win ratio of 6.7%, the poorest in Ipswich’s history. Ipswich would go on to be relegated and have yet to return some three season’s later.
From there he went to Scunny, where he was sacked again. So he’s been sacked in his last two ‘completed’ stints as manager, and was realistically close to being sacked during his current tenure here.
Now, this is obviously not my own take on Hurst; clearly it’s lacking a whole heap of context, but it is nevertheless an entirely factual account of his career to date. There is an element of trying to appease fans when clubs appoint a manager, and I have no doubt that some of the above would instil some concern amongst Rotherham fans.
That’s something the Rotherham board would have to consider. And here’s something else; if he wasn’t a club legend as a player no one would even be having this conversation. They’ll have to ask themselves whether that’s a good basis on which to appoint a manager. I would argue it is not, albeit it did them no harm when they appointed Paul Warne.
I’ve given this a fair bit of thought in the last couple of hours. If Rotherham want Hurst, he’ll be gone, no question about it whatsoever. He can’t not.
But, this is my gut feel, there are enough blemishes on Hurst’s CV and not enough actual success in the football league to make Rotherham sufficiently wary. Let’s not forget, this is a precarious time for them too. I think they’ll look elsewhere, at someone with more experience higher up the pyramid. Gareth Ainsworth, off the top of my head, would probably look a safer bet on paper. Ian Evatt at Bolton, too.
So that’s me. I don’t think they’ll come after him. Not at this time. I might be wrong, who knows, but I’ll try not to lose too much sleep just yet.
Haven’t you missed probably his most successful job at Shrewsbury, the reason he got the job at Ipswich? I’d be looking at Hurst if I were at Rotherham and could see why Hurst would go. I’d be gutted if he left, I think he’s a brilliant manager but as others have said we at least have a good set up now to support a new manager now if it happens.
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September 22, 2022, 8:12am |
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I don't think we need to be worrying just yet as I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hurst will be approached, they may want somebody with a better track record, not for a minute am I saying Hurst record is poor, but this time last year after a very poor spell at Ipswich, average spell at Scunny and a very poor win ratio with us in our relegation season Hurst's stock was quite low, I do accept he can't be blamed entirely for all that but the stat's still remain the same regardless who is to blame. Hurst stock is certainly higher now than it was but is it higher than when he left Shrewsbury? No I don't think so as he left Shrewsbury after making the league 1 play off final.
Hurst is a great manager but I think Rotheram will at this time will look elsewhere for the reasons I mentioned above
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Haven’t you missed probably his most successful job at Shrewsbury, the reason he got the job at Ipswich? I’d be looking at Hurst if I were at Rotherham and could see why Hurst would go. I’d be gutted if he left, I think he’s a brilliant manager but as others have said we at least have a good set up now to support a new manager now if it happens.
Purposely, yes. I was giving you the kind of skewed perspective that fans can take when they don’t like something and try to find the negative. Sticking in that vein, for “probably his most successful job” he still left them in the division in which he found them. Nothing tangible was achieved. There are certainly some aspects of Hurst’s career that would make a Championship club with faint Premier League aspirations nervous in my opinion. Is that wishful thinking on my part? I don’t know, I’m trying to be as objective as possible.
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September 22, 2022, 9:15am |
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We're in the exact same position as we were when he last left us, it's almost like it's written...
That's the reality of being a lower league club, isn't it? We're low in the food chain. The good news is that Rotherham tend to stick with their managers for a while, so if they don't go for Hurst this time they shouldn't be bothering us again.
I hope Hurst stays and gets us into League One in the next 2/3 years, which is what most fans see as our natural position in the pyramid. He will then have completed the turnaround of the club and can then have another crack at a Championship job. Here's hoping.
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September 22, 2022, 9:30am |
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Ainsworth quashed the rumours linking him with the job in today’s presser.
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September 22, 2022, 9:35am |
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Pooja says I'd like to be as objective possible.
So do I If Rotherham want him as their manager, you would not see his bottom for dust, lives there, no daily commute, higher in league status and home town hero in the making. To think he would not go is extremely naive and silly
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So if PH does leave and i wouldn't begrudge him if he does, atleast with a new contract signed we'll get some form of compensation, but lets assume he has gone, i have no idea who i'd want next.
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So if PH does leave and i wouldn't begrudge him if he does, atleast with a new contract signed we'll get some form of compensation, but lets assume he has gone, i have no idea who i'd want next.
And that is the problem. Does JS & AP have a plan B?
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And that is the problem. Does JS & AP have a plan B?
I'd like Grovesy to be given another chance but might be a bit risky to some. I'd prefer PH to stay though.
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